Posted: Jun 25, 2008, 1:27 PM CST
The poll/thread about men that was replicated in the Where Are All The Beautiful 45 yr old women thread was done on April 27.
The first day I posted on CS forums was April 26. I don't remember seeing this thread or being aware of it and did not post on it. It was brought back last night (night for me here) when I was sleeping, so again I never saw it. That men did not take offense to it is surely something for them to explain. If such things are said about men and they do not take offense to them, how will things change? If they do not object to being treated this way, then it will not change.
I agree women do object to being spoken of badly and treated badly, but it is not a matter of temperment. It is mostly about culture. If you look historically at the place of women in society, for thousands of years, and even currently in many cultures, women are treated extremely badly. It is no different than racism. Their positon in society is often horrifying and brutal, and in Western culture that has only changed in the past 100 years; in Victorian times, women were the legal property of their fathers or husbands and if they didn't marry by the age of 30 they were destined to be unmarried. Equal rights and equal attitudes are still not within the realm of life of women today, in modern Western society, though it has certainly improved in legals ways. However, attitudes toward women, especially aging women, are cruel...I observe it all the time. The sexual attacks on Hillary Clinton as she ran for president were appalling, but not she or anyone else seriously objected because those objections would have resulted in more attacks. But they were the type of things that would not hve been said if she were of another race.
The oppression against women goes back since the beginning of civilization and is no different than the oppression of racism. To suggest that bigotry has gone completely is naive and disingenuous. Current attitudes toward women linger in the type of things listed on your thread, which is one reason why I objected to it. The other reason is that I see constantly the put down and rejection of older women on these singles sites---especially on pof, but here and elsewhere also. And I also see a great deal of of it coming from the European men and have lifed in cultures where it is extremely prevalent.
If men chose not to take offense at the previous thread, that is their choice. If I were a man, I probably would have. That women didn't, I think that reflects the prevailing attitude set by men. I don't believe in my thread I called anyone stupid. I rarely use that word.
When you compare the situation of men in our society and suggest it is equal to that of women, I think this shows a lack of a broader vision of history and culture.
dcj22 wrote:So, Ras, did you send personal email to everyone who responded to this poll?