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A beautiful post Ms. Wish who reaches across the party lines towards me!

That says a lot Dude. A lot about disrespect of a individual opinions and their right to speak it. And no, 'we' are not all involved in the this
Presidential election. The 'we' you refer to is a encompassing world opinion that says......here is our truth to your country.....we can call you warm monger...and criminal....because you defend yourself with a war in Iraq.

The only ones voting in this election are Americans. We don't presume to tell you who you should have in office. We did not presume to tell the Iraqi whom they should have in office either....though we could have.

In a sense when you call GBW and Condi Rice war monger and criminals....you call every American that. Me, Indy, Opal, WhatUWish4,
Aflafla, ...they might have been against GWB and the war.....but they are American just the same.....and both GWB and Condi are Americans.

I am former soldier.....I know how to make war.....told you a few post ago....I got more toyotas, nissan, and masda rusting in the Iraqi dessert than you can count. But when I did that report.....I also knew I was saving 100s...maybe 1000s of Iraqi from the same fate as those kids at that school.

That is what honorable people in gov't positions do to keep thier people alive in a time of conflict. GWB likely approved those vehicle trenches by the way. And Condi Rice likely had to sell the the program to the Iraqi. Both did their jobs here.....and lot of Iraqi are alive because of it.

What the 'we' of the world wants to do is intrude on this Presidential election with it own version of history, of political doctrine, of what it thinks that America should stand for. Well those fleeing Mugaby today.....they know what America stands for....it just the rest of the world does not.

Independence,Hopefully!!

Opal, Apparantly it's not only the few people on this forum who think it. The majority of the democratic party think it as well or they would put action behind the talk. They've been talking a long, long time and as is typical with any politician their motivation seems to be nothing more than to gain power.

It's about time for them to shit or get off the pot. I suspect they'll just sit there and grunt rather than pass anything other than hot air. If the Congress and Senate operated like the human lower GI tract we would find it clogged. Not with crap but with disinformation, partisan politics and cowardly behavior.

Yes cowardly. You believe that Bush has lied, cheated, started an illegal war, etc and a majority of the democrats in office profess the same thing yet they do nothing. Now I ask you, which is worse, having someone who allegedly lied, cheated, etc.. are a bunch of people who claim there's a criminal in the white house and do nothing about it? This is both cowardly and smart because if the tried to prove any of this thru impeachment, criminal trials, etc... they would lose and they know it. So in the mean time and as long as they have an audience, they will continue their own version of psychological warfare

And Chester James Carville, Jr. would do and is capable of the VERY SAME Skull-Duggery!!!!!!!!!And with the active help of his Buddy Paul Begala!
Two Birds of a Feather

No Sparky, we definitely would not lose. We are just playing it wise right now. Not feeding in to the fearmongers. GW has 6 months in office. We do not want to fight that battle now. I'm sure Republicans would be happy if we distracted from all the real issues of a presidential compaign right at this point. It would play right into thier game of "prove it" NOW....you've got 4 months. While you do that we will slaughter Obama's character and if McCain wins end of story. No thank you....we'll just win this election and see what can be done.

We would be defending ourselves if were ever attacked by Iraq or if Iraq actually did have anything to do with 9/11 or even financially supported Al-queda and Bin laden like Saudi Arabia does. and Bin Laden still has not been brought to justice but that is not what this war is about defending ourselves.

And they are all laughing while America's economy is destroyed.

I would not say that, Skybow. You have areas of expertise that I am clueless in. And honestly most all my stuff is public info that I connect the dots on. It is out there.....you just to got to ask the right questions
and get to the right sources for answers.

That horse of war.....one the four horsemen of death. He is always going to try to run. There is not a weapon of war that stand against me, in Christ.

Those that fought this war for the last 8 years and longer....like David and Sprakie here....and many others.....know how scarry this is. There is nothing to be ashamed by being afraid. There is shame in failing to do your best in time of crisis and to help others that are in crisis.

As a nurse you have been trained to just that. Look at the vast number of people you have helped. When David was in Iraq or Afghan where ever they sent him.....he helped a vast number of people as well....he just has not realized it yet. It is hard as a service member to realize that at times. It is often not till the last round is fired that you can realize it. Just in a different manner.

Also.....I have this way.....of writing the stuff they often make classified.
Just call it my luck to have that gift. So I see it from a different perspective. I am 58 and headed into retirement....guys like David, Sparkie and those many others that served our country so well these last few years.....will pick up the ball, Skybow. So have some confidence that this coming crisis and conflict that are facing us....will be handled well.

Even GWB is saying it is diplomacy first with Iran. Me? I am like the boys scouts....be prepared and T. Roosevelt....walk softly, but carry a big stick.

They have been playing it wise for over two years (close to three). How much time is necessary for them to prove their point? I suspect it would not be much if they had either proof or the courage to persue it. It seems clear they have neither.

A definate win would definately bolster the dems position in this race. A defeat would damage them. They know this just as you and I know it so that makes your statement about the dems playing it wise accurate. I never meant to imply the were dumb, just that they are as crooked as any other party. They tell their followers what they wish to hear, all the while they attempt to wash their own hands of the responsibilty they share with Bush on this war and all this country's problems. If these people were really so stupid as to allow themselves to be conned by Bush then maybe we should be looking at replacing them.

Perhaps Obama will win, perhaps not. I guess we'll find out soon enough

Where in the my post Opal, was there a word of the economy?

Let me ask you a question. What is more important to you? Your pocket book or your life?

Those people in Zimbowey are coming to our embassy to save thier lives. They are giving up everything in a moment of crisis and danger.
They understand fully what entering the embassy grounds means.
For them there is not turning back once they do.

If you wish to do wishy thinking into this....about how other think of our economy when people lives are on the line. That shows you how
influenced by European thinking that you really are. Because that is exactly how they think. They often do cost anaylsis to see if they are going to get into a fight and struggle.

That is exactly why they stayed out of Iraq and Afghanistan, Opal. They did not meet thier cost analysis to go in and help those people. Those figures of dollars, or franks, or marks, or what ever currency...was more important to them than the Iraqi live Sadam was taking. Than the Afghani lives that Omar and the Taliban were taking.

I'm all for replacing the lo of them. they were sent there to WORK not sit around causing trouble for the opposing party just for political gain. They are just as divided as we are and it serves no purpose in these troubled times except to make things far worse.

You can deny, Opal. But those DoD reports on the 600,000 documents of SAdam's gov't.....show alot of terror connections. The FBI Sadam and
Iraq report said the same thing.

Shuck Opal the man tried to kill a former President of the US. Think that funding terrorist groups to kill Aemrican was not within his ability or his desire?

Personally, I would take the reports of DoD and FBI over any thing you can find on the net. Why? They have the training, the language skills,
the correct timeline of events, and a motive to get it right. When you work with person on the net.....you are not sure of any of these.

You are not sure of thier motives. Their training. Their skills. Or how they might be twisting things.

My point exactly... Heck, I'm still waiting to see the no kidding positions on both the nominees. Somehow, that doesn't make the news. Bring on the debates and debate the issues. I am sick of hearing about these guy's personal lives. I want to know what they plan to do and how they plan to do it. It's no wonder why idiots get elected.

I wish I had said it.

Thanks Tom... I kinda enjoyed writing the GI tract part..

"Cry Havoc! and let slip the dogs of war!" - Shakespeare's Julius Caesar

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." - The Declaration of Independence

Exactly! Why has all the emphasis gone toward mud slinging and away from debate? I think it's because they don't have a plan and they don't have any answers. So they just point fingers and work on spokescreens. Better to bash the outgoing president than speak of plans for the future. Just blame it all on events of the past and hope nobody notices that you have no vision to offer regarding the future.

Because there is plenty useful stuff for them if they gain the White House!
All the Executive Orders,the Patriot Act etc.
You think they'll repeal That Patriot Act ?
Giving up that Plum?
Doubt that very much.
That is one of the reasons why Impeachment is NOT forthcoming!