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is ok - thought you meant I was quoting Heisenberg - which would be pretty impossible unless he came to me in another existence - I have glimpsed him in passing though

Maybe... and this is an omen.

will get back to you on that when things start falling into place

To your feet, my lady.

relative absolutes ...

I dunno, I dont see form and function or natures laws for that matter as absolutes though they seem to be difficult to avoid, which betrays absolutism for sure or would seem to.

They are simply confines of structured existence as we know it, thats my take.
Doesn't keep me from experiencing deja vue, or pre-cognitave events or any other metaphysical, quantum event ... I just think its simpler than theory implies, but none the less freakin awesome!!

I was going to add to this thread but I dont believe I have the intelect on the enlightenment side to keep up with the conversation or interject something useful.

I do believe however that out there some where there is "The One".

I agree, if we pre cognite stuff, possibly we open it before its time which is also possibly how we may kill stuff by imposing absolutes.......

having siad that - what really actually dies - I think maybe things just jiggle about till their time is right for fruition

and once that fruition occurs, they become almost a solid, and could possibly manifest as memes..........

In fact the "absolutes" do not come from the formal structure of modern science. They come from its social and ideological counterpart. Science in the West grew in tension with the dark ages, so inevitably acquired part of its nature -for example the belief that everything can be explained through this or that scheme. That is a quite Judeo-Christian conception of the absolutes.
In modern times, this stucture has become clearer and clearer. Same way, the Christian revelations would bring the heaven down to earth, the feats of Science will finally bring the perfect world "human beings deserve" This has been well-used by the big bosses of our planet for control. That is good not only for consumerism, it is good for controlling our minds to make them firmly believe that our marvelous science will finally solve all the problems in our planet and even in our microscopic lives (those directly caused by greed of the big bosses -something called progress-)

or memories even..........

are you drinking fizzies again

I have imposed no absolutes. Laws of nature only, I didnt make them just observe them .. We get those messeges from electrical impulses before they happen and become form. It's like hearing the approaching stomping of dope sniffing rhinos in the distance -and then we can see them as they get closer -and then reality drops it all in our lap and we get busted. Precognition is simply tuning in to the approach of our future, becoming more aware of our distant surroundings ... buddha knows this absolutely

well ...... I was talking about the laws of nature, gravity, energy, electricity, energy in a vaccum, cosmology .. screw religion.

You 'did' add to the thread and my take on what you say is that each person who comes into our lives helps us with that particular phase of completion - they may furnish us with myriad states of being, but these always seem to mesh with our current state of 'selfness' and wend us upon our journey - the resultant struggles are seemingly indicative of how we have assimilated prior lessons.........

If I am I think it suits me I love it when my confidence carries me through - and these are matters I have given a lifetimes consideration to so you decide...........

I keep saying 'possibly' and 'maybe' and ' ' none of us have definitive absolutes in these matters - it's all simply speculation....... but as I said earlier, I do believe that some absolutes are more testable than others...........

maybe I am just someone from whom you need to learn new things and assimilate this new knowledge into your present...

That's the problem though, trish. If its an absolute, then its subject to the most apparant absolute of the universe: Everything changes...

You read my post.........

But thats the nature of Knowledge Trace, it has to stand up to the most rigorous scrutinies and even if it does so at that moment in time - it may not do so in a few yrs when other fields of research make their presence' felt - If there are absolutes, I think they may only hold water for long enough to carry us through to the next set of revelations...... maybe

I am not disturbed by a lack of absolutes. I am disturbed by the number of people who require them in order to function. As I said, this leads to fanaticism...and thats an over-abundant quality in todays world...

Convictions are great. But people think they're the be all and end all, and cant wait to shove them down other people's throat.

I love M. Scott Peck's metaphor of a life-map and how, every so often, it has to undergo complete revision...