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goldengreen
Zagreb, Central Croatia Croatia

Posted: Jul 4, 2008, 12:45 PM CST

oh, skip my sociolinguistics bit...i want to hear more about politics

.............w i c k e d ;-) hehe

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DarkDreamer2005
Rochester, Kent, England UK

Posted: Jul 4, 2008, 1:22 PM CST

goldengreen wrote:

oh, skip my sociolinguistics bit...i want to hear more about politics .............w i c k e d ;-) hehe

Lol..well I may take you up on help with my Russian. I know that many people from ex-soviet states don't like speaking Russian for obvious reasons, but for an Englishman, it makes sense that Russian is the most useful language to learn....

As for the sociolinguistics....your right, and even reading something in the original language, with out a knowledge of the cultural context you will miss all the multiple meanings, eg Bulgakov in the west is read as magical realism, whereas I understand in Russia it is seen as satire.

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is certainly there, if you want to talk politics....

from what I see..its the easiest way on these threads to get each people at each other throats....

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DarkDreamer2005
Rochester, Kent, England UK

Posted: Jul 4, 2008, 1:27 PM CST

Ambrose2007 wrote:

Though I'm a free market libertarian, I've always found a lot to value in Bakunin. One of my favorite quotes (from "What Is Authority"):

"The Liberty of man consists solely in this: that he obeys natural laws because he has himself recognised them as such, and not because they have been externally imposed upon him by any extrinsic will whatsoever, divine or human, collective or individual."

Not only does this nicely summarize a fundamental element of socio-economic liberty, it also encompasses *psychological* liberty - the "horse-whispering" sense that when pulled by external sources we naturally hold back, and when pushed, we similarly resist. It also points to the fact that the meaning of our individual lives stems from ourselves, not from external sources.
Jeff

Nice to see someone else remembers Bakunin, although I think he may have disagreed with you about free market libertarianism...

and the 20th and 21st century so far has shown us that the free market doesn't free us all or have an inner moral conscience.. it only worships mammon...

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goldengreen
Zagreb, Central Croatia Croatia

Posted: Jul 4, 2008, 4:03 PM CST

DarkDreamer2005 wrote:

if you want to talk politics.... from what I see..its the easiest way on these threads to get each people at each other throats....

hehe

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trish123
Lancashire, Lancashire, England UK

Posted: Jul 4, 2008, 4:57 PM CST

Ambrose2007 wrote:

Though I'm a free market libertarian, I've always found a lot to value in Bakunin. One of my favorite quotes (from "What Is Authority"):

"The Liberty of man consists solely in this: that he obeys natural laws because he has himself recognised them as such, and not because they have been externally imposed upon him by any extrinsic will whatsoever, divine or human, collective or individual."

Not only does this nicely summarize a fundamental element of socio-economic liberty, it also encompasses *psychological* liberty - the "horse-whispering" sense that when pulled by external sources we naturally hold back, and when pushed, we similarly resist. It also points to the fact that the meaning of our individual lives stems from ourselves, not from external sources.
Jeff

Yes but how much of the 'self' is untainted by external forces - how much of what we convey as individuality, is fed by external influences, by the influences of our upbringing and associations, by those who have coloured what we are today?

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DarkDreamer2005
Rochester, Kent, England UK

Posted: Jul 7, 2008, 6:49 AM CST

trish123 wrote:

Yes but how much of the 'self' is untainted by external forces - how much of what we convey as individuality, is fed by external influences, by the influences of our upbringing and associations, by those who have coloured what we are today?

Very good point, are we just an amalgum of our experience and influences, and do we really have freedom of thought? I have heard this arguement, and agree with it to a point. So many of the things we think are our original thoughts are just things that we have been told or read, also our behaviours are mostly learnt, and we unconciously just follow them; but I think if you strip this all away, there is a kernal of us as individuals, we after all can change our behaviours..( even thought this is very difficult), and the amalgum that is us, is a unique mixture of all this input...

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