Would you work in Afghanistan or Iraq & why or why not

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Would you work in Afghanistan or Iraq & why or why not

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WhatUwish4
Jacksonville, Florida USA
Posted: Jul 2, 2008, 2:58 PM CST
Sparky55 wrote:
It does sound like pretty neat stuff and I have been in contact with others doing similar work.

What's drawing me is really complicated but to make a long story short, I am really concerned about being able to transition back to a "normal life" I have spent the better part of the past 28 years overseas. Initially, as I approached retirement I thought it would be great to go back home but I am finding that you can never really go back. Besides, they are pretty screwed up places right now and there's actually a push to help.



I would think it would be terribly difficult to get accustomed to all our "sloth" after being in such a different environment. When I'm faced with decisions like this, I usually find some quiet time, a big glass of wine, and I sit down and ask the one question that always gets my imagination going....

"Where do you want to be 10 years from now?"

Usually after considering things from "the sky is the limit" perspective, the answers start coming to me. Sounds crazy, but it's a really good exercise.

Good luck.
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Sparky55
Prattville, Alabama USA
Posted: Jul 2, 2008, 3:06 PM CST
metalartist989 wrote:
I have lots of friends who have been offered the same deals. Since you're aware of the dangers but driven to go do it.. I say go. Especially since you said it's not about the money.. It's better to regret something you have done than something you haven't.

but yeah... I'd say you should weigh out your options a little as far as the job you take. If you don't want to deal with the dangers, try to take a job ON POST.


Thanks, I agree with taking a job on post. Most of the NGOs are co-located with force protection and are escorted while off post but we've all seen what can happen.

I can understand how some are drawn to the region for money but I don't think I could do it for that purpose. I just think the work is worthwhile and I want a challenge & a sense of accomplishment.

Thanks again for your comment
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Indyfella
indianapolis, Indiana USA
Posted: Jul 2, 2008, 3:11 PM CST
Sparky55 wrote:
Hello All,

I am considering and in fact have a great opportunity to go and work in either Afghanistan or Iraq late this fall after my retirement is settled. It would be working for an NGO and be geared towards reconstruction. I've been to both countries before and am painfully aware of the dangers but there's a part of me that really feels driven to do this. Would any of you go?


Only if I could work for Bushney's Halliburton. applause
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shipoker55
St. Petersburg, Florida USA
Posted: Jul 2, 2008, 3:21 PM CST
Hugz_n_Kissez wrote:
I wouldn't go work in either country....the fact still remains that Americans are targets by the insurgents no matter what job you do in either country....they love to target civilians....in my mind it's still too risky and dangerous....Americans are kidnapped and killed all the time...no matter what they are doing in those countries!!!!!!!!!




More are killed on our streets than overseas!!!
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Sparky55
Prattville, Alabama USA
Posted: Jul 2, 2008, 3:21 PM CST
Indyfella wrote:
Only if I could work for Bushney's Halliburton.


If I had thought about that, I would have added it as an option.. laugh
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Sparky55
Prattville, Alabama USA
Posted: Jul 2, 2008, 3:24 PM CST
WhatUwish4 wrote:
I would think it would be terribly difficult to get accustomed to all our "sloth" after being in such a different environment. When I'm faced with decisions like this, I usually find some quiet time, a big glass of wine, and I sit down and ask the one question that always gets my imagination going....

"Where do you want to be 10 years from now?"

Usually after considering things from "the sky is the limit" perspective, the answers start coming to me. Sounds crazy, but it's a really good exercise.

Good luck.


I will have to try that but I'll probably do it with a beer or two (I am sooo uncultured) laugh
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WhatUwish4
Jacksonville, Florida USA
Posted: Jul 2, 2008, 3:29 PM CST
Sparky55 wrote:
I will have to try that but I'll probably do it with a beer or two (I am sooo uncultured)


Ok. beer it is... but before you get all deep in thought...we still need to talk the "prize" you won. I need info before I can proceed... laugh laugh laugh
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Posted: Jul 2, 2008, 3:30 PM CST
NGO or GO...they couldn't pay me enough to get kidnapped...D'oh! uh oh!
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mastic55
Long Island, New York USA
Posted: Jul 2, 2008, 3:38 PM CST
They are all working here in the delis and gas stations so I dont think jobs are there..I would have to say no..
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RobbieM
Hertford, Hertfordshire, England UK
Posted: Jul 2, 2008, 3:39 PM CST
I'll give you really specific advice which i hope you will take very seriously if you consider working in either country.

Find out where you will be contracted on what basis and find out the conditions you will be housed in, IE will you be housed in a guarded complex by "contract agent security" or guarded by the military, as there's a specific difference.

The locals are embedded even through the security service right down to the ministry of the interior so never travel anywhere without a loaded firearm and i'm not just talking about a sidearm and make sure you carry a grenade specifically around your neck, just in case the worst may happen.

Then there's what you will actually be doing and if you have and what the security detail will be, or if you will be providing this service to others?

Remember, your personal security is dependant on say 8 people you will not know and have no idea on their capabilities or professionalism, especially if their "subcontracted in".

Also it's important to remember contracters have no authority and are basically a private army who aren't accountable so you never know if your mixing with "Wash outs" and the only criteria for signing on is the ability to hold it together until your on the aircraft and don't have a mental breakdown on site!!

If you go make sure you spend plenty of time on a range and make damn sure you can clean your sidearm with virtually your eyes closed to clear any stoppage in your sleep.

All else fails you can always find some poor sod like me to watch over you!
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Sparky55
Prattville, Alabama USA
Posted: Jul 2, 2008, 3:46 PM CST
WhatUwish4 wrote:
Ok. beer it is... but before you get all deep in thought...we still need to talk the "prize" you won. I need info before I can proceed...


OK, we'll talk but no VR lapdance.. laugh
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WhatUwish4
Jacksonville, Florida USA
Posted: Jul 2, 2008, 3:47 PM CST
Sparky55 wrote:
OK, we'll talk but no VR lapdance..


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Phew!

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Sparky55
Prattville, Alabama USA
Posted: Jul 2, 2008, 3:53 PM CST
Thanks Robbie, very good points.

I'm not certain it's the case with all locations but where I am looking at are with the military on military bases/outposts. I feel more comfortable with that since I know the military pretty well. Since you mentioned it, I will watch that as I go through the processing and make that a priority.

I'm sure there are some good people contracting security services there but I don't like the idea of the loose controls and the lack of accountability. I have to wonder about their recruiting methods as well. I suspect money is a huge factor.

Regarding weapons. We don't carry. I do shoot really well but that doesn't do a lot of good without a weapon. To be honest, this bothers me as I trust myself more than anyone else.

Anyway, thanks again for the input.
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Sparky55
Prattville, Alabama USA
Posted: Jul 2, 2008, 3:59 PM CST
Galactic_bodhi wrote:
NGO or GO...they couldn't pay me enough to get kidnapped...


Can't argue that. No amount of money is worth your life but somethings may be worth doing for other reasons even with the risk.

Thanks for your comment
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Sparky55
Prattville, Alabama USA
Posted: Jul 2, 2008, 4:01 PM CST
mastic55 wrote:
They are all working here in the delis and gas stations so I dont think jobs are there..I would have to say no..


Lots of assistance work needed.
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RobbieM
Hertford, Hertfordshire, England UK
Posted: Jul 2, 2008, 4:06 PM CST
Sparky55 wrote:
Thanks Robbie, very good points.

I'm not certain it's the case with all locations but where I am looking at are with the military on military bases/outposts. I feel more comfortable with that since I know the military pretty well. Since you mentioned it, I will watch that as I go through the processing and make that a priority.

I'm sure there are some good people contracting security services there but I don't like the idea of the loose controls and the lack of accountability. I have to wonder about their recruiting methods as well. I suspect money is a huge factor.

Regarding weapons. We don't carry. I do shoot really well but that doesn't do a lot of good without a weapon. To be honest, this bothers me as I trust myself more than anyone else.

Anyway, thanks again for the input.


Trust me, get on a range with a 9MM reliable pistol and practice and practice and practice, your life may well and that of others may well depend on it.

I wont say specifically which companies are the better but there are plenty of guys who work as say an army truck driver and then leave the army to come straight back as a contract employee and earn a shitload more money but then they may well be working with poorly trained or incompatible training or lots of other unforeseen training shortfalls.

At least if your embedded with the military with military security fixing oil wells and pumping stations you will be adequately protected.Just remember an IED doesn't select just specific personnel, it blows the shit out of everything and if your unable to shoot a weapon you might be the only one left who is able to defend yourself or others.

Remember that, and keep your head down, please.
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Indyfella
indianapolis, Indiana USA
Posted: Jul 2, 2008, 4:07 PM CST


Pay me 3 or 4 thousand a week and I'd work beside Dude for a month.D'oh!









Damn, I know I'd regret it. rolling on the floor laughing
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WhatUwish4
Jacksonville, Florida USA
Posted: Jul 2, 2008, 4:14 PM CST
Indyfella wrote:
Pay me 3 or 4 thousand a week and I'd work beside Dude for a month.
Damn, I know I'd regret it.


Indy...are you predisposed to S&M?

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Sparky55
Prattville, Alabama USA
Posted: Jul 2, 2008, 4:14 PM CST
RobbieM wrote:
Trust me, get on a range with a 9MM reliable pistol and practice and practice and practice, your life may well and that of others may well depend on it.

I wont say specifically which companies are the better but there are plenty of guys who work as say an army truck driver and then leave the army to come straight back as a contract employee and earn a shitload more money but then they may well be working with poorly trained or incompatible training or lots of other unforeseen training shortfalls.

At least if your embedded with the military with military security fixing oil wells and pumping stations you will be adequately protected.Just remember an IED doesn't select just specific personnel, it blows the shit out of everything and if your unable to shoot a weapon you might be the only one left who is able to defend yourself or others.

Remember that, and keep your head down, please.


Thanks again Robbie,

I like the SigSauer and I was pretty good with it. It's been 3 years since I carried a weapon but I do intend to shoot once I get back to the states. They do send us through training but it's more than likely much less than what I have already had.

IEDs are definately scarey and they can make a mess out of most of the vehicles they have over there with very few exceptions.

If I go, I will be careful. Thanks...
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Sparky55
Prattville, Alabama USA
Posted: Jul 2, 2008, 4:15 PM CST
Indyfella wrote:
Pay me 3 or 4 thousand a week and I'd work beside Dude for a month.
Damn, I know I'd regret it.


Is that all you want? laugh
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