Astrology: Fact or Fiction?

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Astrology: Fact or Fiction?

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Ambrose2007
Badger, South Dakota USA
Posted: Jul 3, 2008, 10:24 AM CST
I've noticed that lots of women find astrology interesting or fun, even if they don't believe it offers fundamental truths. My impression is that much fewer men take it seriously. Assuming my impression is correct, does anyone have an explanation for that?

Also, I'm very curious how believers in astrology acquired this belief. Was it through a critical review of extant evidence and logical argumentation, or through other more intuitive evaluative processes?

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Claayer
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Posted: Jul 3, 2008, 10:26 AM CST
Oo hello Zeus! applause

Oh.... confused Ermm.. Ambrose? zat yooooo?

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BnaturAl
Sarnia, Ontario Canada
Posted: Jul 3, 2008, 10:41 AM CST
Ambrose2007 wrote:
I've noticed that lots of women find astrology interesting or fun, even if they don't believe it offers fundamental truths. My impression is that much fewer men take it seriously. Assuming my impression is correct, does anyone have an explanation for that?

Also, I'm very curious how believers in astrology acquired this belief. Was it through a critical review of extant evidence and logical argumentation, or through other more intuitive evaluative processes?


Astrology is almost as old as dirt. Earliest assessments (to my knowledge) were not only tied to planetary influences, but also to the energy of those planets. Its logical from my investigations, though how and why they assigned specific characteristics to each planet is still a mystery to me.

Recent discoveries in regard to 'an electric universe' would seem to bare out that 'energy' influence and personal experience with well schooled astrologists have proved it viable in accuracy to me. It is no easy task, to make predictions (given the plethura of influences) and everyday newspaper horoscopes tend to ruin the image of its viability.

Why women, more than men? My opinion would be that females in general have a more 'conceptual' view of life, more greys, not so much black and white and astrology to those who don't study it, has always had that 'conceptual' aura to it... like gods and other concepts or things we can't understand

Men generally tend to be linear, blacks and whites, evidence placed in correct order. Its why they tend to want to fix a problem for women when all the woman wants is a listening ear for the most part.

dont argue with me.. uh oh! yay
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Posted: Jul 3, 2008, 10:43 AM CST
I dont know....grin
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Posted: Jul 3, 2008, 10:50 AM CST
blue_eyed_blonde wrote:
I dont know....


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I came ermm .. following her .. day dream

sorry hi Ambrose .. hi Al ( i wont argue ) ..
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Ambrose2007
Badger, South Dakota USA
Posted: Jul 3, 2008, 10:51 AM CST
Claayer wrote:
Oo hello Zeus!

Oh.... Ermm.. Ambrose? zat yooooo?


laugh confused I honestly hadn't seen the "Greek god" connection, Claire, but now that you've mentioned it...day dream hmmm blushing
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Posted: Jul 3, 2008, 10:52 AM CST
riyablossom wrote:
I came ermm .. following her ..

sorry hi Ambrose .. hi Al ( i wont argue ) ..


hahahah...Hiiiiiiii riya!!!!hug


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Ambrose2007
Badger, South Dakota USA
Posted: Jul 3, 2008, 10:53 AM CST
blue_eyed_blonde wrote:
I dont know....


THanks, Blue, for your contribution!hug wave wink But I'm a bit disappointed - after seeing how adept you were at reading my personal "signs" awhile back, I was expecting something slightly more definitive from you...dunno laugh wave heart
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Justme4uok
Northern CA, California USA
Posted: Jul 3, 2008, 10:56 AM CST
Ambrose2007 wrote:
I've noticed that lots of women find astrology interesting or fun, even if they don't believe it offers fundamental truths. My impression is that much fewer men take it seriously. Assuming my impression is correct, does anyone have an explanation for that?

Also, I'm very curious how believers in astrology acquired this belief. Was it through a critical review of extant evidence and logical argumentation, or through other more intuitive evaluative processes?



I think that the astrological signs provide basic characterstics for some people. Oh course people will probably disagree and I'm not saying anything about this being an absolute....


If you look at you astrological sign and the traits or characteristics within those signs... You will find some that relate to you personally and others that do not....Its more of a general overview... not an exact science....

When I look at my astrologiacl sign, I do cary alot of the traits for that sign...

Anyway that JMO.....grin
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Posted: Jul 3, 2008, 10:56 AM CST
Ambrose2007 wrote:
THanks, Blue, for your contribution! But I'm a bit disappointed - after seeing how adept you were at reading my personal "signs" awhile back, I was expecting something slightly more definitive from you...


ohhhhh ahmmmmmm...I dont believe in it, i missed the sign and seriousness of this thread...i kinda thought it was a "funny" sorta question.

but you look like Zeus....blushing grin hug kiss bouquet of flowers
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Ambrose2007
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Posted: Jul 3, 2008, 11:00 AM CST
BnaturAl wrote:

Recent discoveries in regard to 'an electric universe' would seem to bare out that 'energy' influence and personal experience with well schooled astrologists have proved it viable in accuracy to me. It is no easy task, to make predictions (given the plethura of influences) and everyday newspaper horoscopes tend to ruin the image of its viability.


Given the near-infinite number of influences on individuals, how would one go about distinguishing the effects between, say, the temperature or lighting at the time of birth and the position of a distant star on a newborn? And what would be the nature of the electrical influence of distant planetary bodies?

BnaturAl wrote:
Why women, more than men? My opinion would be that females in general have a more 'conceptual' view of life, more greys, not so much black and white and astrology to those who don't study it, has always had that 'conceptual' aura to it... like gods and other concepts or things we can't understand

Men generally tend to be linear, blacks and whites, evidence placed in correct order. Its why they tend to want to fix a problem for women when all the woman wants is a listening ear for the most part.

dont argue with me..


I tend to agree about the "linear logic" business...not so sure the women are more "conceptual." The best I could come up with was that astrology has romantic overtones that are more appealing to the fairer sex...?
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jollyboy
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Posted: Jul 3, 2008, 11:01 AM CST
hey ms.hat...still u didn't send me the pictures of your palms....

i'm curious to read them.conversing here's to you
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dillydally
behind the big green fields , Strathclyde, Scotland UK
Posted: Jul 3, 2008, 11:02 AM CST
This evidence exists.

1) Planets effect the solar cycle in specific ways.
2) The solar cycle effects the geomagnetic field.
3) The geomagnetic field affects life on Earth in certain observed ways.
4) Specifically, many species, including man, can be influenced by particular states of the geomagnetic field.
5) The particular influences appear to correlate with the planetary positions.
6) I propose that the behavior of the fetus at the time of birth is linked to the cycles within the geomagnetic field, which in turn are influenced by the solar cycle and positions of the planets.

the planets Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune control the direction of the convective motions within the Sun, which generate the solar magnetic field. They do so because they play the major role in moving the sun about the common center of mass of the solar system. As the solar cycle builds up to a maximum, so certain configurations of all the planets, at different stages, play a part in the disrupting the magnetic field of the sun.









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Ambrose2007
Badger, South Dakota USA
Posted: Jul 3, 2008, 11:02 AM CST
Justme4uok wrote:
I think that the astrological signs provide basic characterstics for some people. Oh course people will probably disagree and I'm not saying anything about this being an absolute....If you look at you astrological sign and the traits or characteristics within those signs... You will find some that relate to you personally and others that do not....Its more of a general overview... not an exact science....

When I look at my astrologiacl sign, I do cary alot of the traits for that sign...

Anyway that JMO.....


When I've looked at characteristics attributed to the various signs, *all* of the signs seem to list plenty of traits which I possess (and plenty that I don't, in my view)...?
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Ambrose2007
Badger, South Dakota USA
Posted: Jul 3, 2008, 11:09 AM CST
dillydally wrote:
This evidence exists.

1) Planets effect the solar cycle in specific ways.
2) The solar cycle effects the geomagnetic field.
3) The geomagnetic field affects life on Earth in certain observed ways.
4) Specifically, many species, including man, can be influenced by particular states of the geomagnetic field.
5) The particular influences appear to correlate with the planetary positions.
6) I propose that the behavior of the fetus at the time of birth is linked to the cycles within the geomagnetic field, which in turn are influenced by the solar cycle and positions of the planets.

the planets Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune control the direction of the convective motions within the Sun, which generate the solar magnetic field. They do so because they play the major role in moving the sun about the common center of mass of the solar system. As the solar cycle builds up to a maximum, so certain configurations of all the planets, at different stages, play a part in the disrupting the magnetic field of the sun.
iv done my homework


I fail to see what any of this has to do with you perennial quest to get laid, Dilly!dunno uh oh! laugh

Okay, thanks for that. You know, I think I would grant that we're part of existence and that many if not all aspects of existence could affect our lives, but - and you knew there was a "but," didn't you, DD? - the problem is that the geomagnetic field would be but one of vastly numerous influences on our lives, no?

How would geomagnet fields compare in influence, for example, to DNA or basic things such as intrauterine health, conditions at birth, or even nursing versus non-nursing?dunno wine
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Ambrose2007
Badger, South Dakota USA
Posted: Jul 3, 2008, 11:18 AM CST
riyablossom wrote:
I came ermm .. following her ..

sorry hi Ambrose .. hi Al ( i wont argue ) ..


wave Hey, Riya!

No one wants to argue? Come now, let's get some excitement going here!applause conversing heart wings
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dillydally
behind the big green fields , Strathclyde, Scotland UK
Posted: Jul 3, 2008, 11:19 AM CST
Ambrose2007 wrote:
I fail to see what any of this has to do with you perennial quest to get laid, Dilly!

Okay, thanks for that. You know, I think I would grant that we're part of existence and that many if not all aspects of existence could affect our lives, but - and you knew there was a "but," didn't you, DD? - the problem is that the geomagnetic field would be but one of vastly numerous influences on our lives, no?

How would geomagnet fields compare in influence, for example, to DNA or basic things such as intrauterine health, conditions at birth, or even nursing versus non-nursing?



the frequencies of naturally occurring electromagnetic signals,circulating in the electrically resonant cavity bounded by the earth and the ionosphere, have governed or determined the "evolution" or development of the frequencies of operation of the principal human brain-wave signals.

some electrical field phenomena have already been linked with abnormal cell growth and a decrease in immunocompetency.these factors could be expected to lead to the appearance of"new" diseases, probably accompanied by a decline in resistance to many minor infections, an increase in conditions related to abnormal
cell development, including cancer, birth defects and infertility, and an increase in psychological disturbance problems, e.g., drug addic-tion and suicide. now can i get laid ?




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BnaturAl
Sarnia, Ontario Canada
Posted: Jul 3, 2008, 11:22 AM CST
Ambrose2007 wrote:
Given the near-infinite number of influences on individuals, how would one go about distinguishing the effects between, say, the temperature or lighting at the time of birth and the position of a distant star on a newborn? And what would be the nature of the electrical influence of distant planetary bodies?


You can watch 'thunderbolts of the gods' on you tube to get some idea of how all the planets are tied in plasma energy.

Temperature and lighting can be affected by electrical influences, just as the moon affects the sea. The nature of affects is something I have difficulty explaining because my knowledge is limited. Its my informaation that the further a planet is from us, the less immediate its affects are. The affects are termed more as over time'. The moon changes sign position(its rotation) I think every 2.4 days, so its affects are that long in whatever sign it traverses. Neptune takes something like 14 yrs to make a full rotation so its affect of the sign its in lasts that much longer. Some of them even back up, called retrograde which a whole different kettle of fish.

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I tend to agree about the "linear logic" business...not so sure the women are more "conceptual." The best I could come up with was that astrology has romantic overtones that are more appealing to the fairer sex...?


Planetary gods ... romantic overtones for sure. The god/goddess fascination is still conceptual.
what is love if not a concept... romance, while it may have some real evidencial factors, like roses on the bed, still is a feeling, a notion, spurred by images of romance. For some allergic to roses, it may be far from a romantic notion. laugh or you saying they read them hoping that romance will come?
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Ambrose2007
Badger, South Dakota USA
Posted: Jul 3, 2008, 11:24 AM CST
dillydally wrote:
the frequencies of naturally occurring electromagnetic signals,circulating in the electrically resonant cavity bounded by the earth and the ionosphere, have governed or determined the "evolution" or development of the frequencies of operation of the principal human brain-wave signals.

some electrical field phenomena have already been linked with abnormal cell growth and a decrease in immunocompetency.these factors could be expected to lead to the appearance of"new" diseases, probably accompanied by a decline in resistance to many minor infections, an increase in conditions related to abnormal
cell development, including cancer, birth defects and infertility, and an increase in psychological disturbance problems, e.g., drug addic-tion and suicide. now can i get laid ?


If the stars allow it, Dilly, if the stars allow it.dunno wink hug
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BnaturAl
Sarnia, Ontario Canada
Posted: Jul 3, 2008, 11:28 AM CST
Ambrose2007 wrote:
When I've looked at characteristics attributed to the various signs, *all* of the signs seem to list plenty of traits which I possess (and plenty that I don't, in my view)...?


this is the problem with generalizing and relying soley on sunsigns, your sun birth sign. In fact there are what 11 other planets (dont know if pluto is still consdiered a planet) all in position at the time of birth. Include in that, the angles they all make to you and to each other and your horoscope becomes far more intricate and explains better why you have some characteristics of other signs as well, IE: your rising sign may be in taurus, giving you personality traights of tuarus. your moon may be in libra, giving you an appreciation for making love hangin from chandeleiers and a more talkative nature.. giggle

its more than just sunsign, that why your traights seem to conflict.
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