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And you can make judgements based on what??


We all make judgements based on given information. What set
s an intelligent person apart is that as more information becomes available, they are able to adjust their thinking.

Just because I graduated from a Christian college, does not have anything to do with my ability to work in the mental health field. If anything, compassion is taught in these school....something not always taught in other schools


I find it ironic, that you have decreed this man in insane by what YOU read!!


BTW...I did not make an assessment, I only responded to the afforded information!!


PSS....we really don't care what the Queen says in America. Your laws are not our laws. If he committed this crime in Ireland...things might be different. But he is subject to American law, not Irish law



Just food for thought!!

Do you physically know people with bipolar disease? Or is all of this just "guestimates" coming out of your ass? I'm sorry but I get sick of you jumping into all of these threads looking for fights (I've seen MORE than a few with you starting them).

This is just a sad story that I wanted to share, may be people with keep her in their thoughts and prayers. This thread wasn't intended for some punk kid to come in looking for a fight.

My main point is this. If I leave a loaded gun on the seat of my truck and a child plays with it and blows another kids head off. I am in trouble. To give a kid a gun and some bullets telling the kid never to put them in the gun, does not mean the child being a child that he will not put them in the gun and shoot it. The same for a person who needs medications to keep control. To give them meds and tell them to take them reg. Them being trouble in mind does not mean they will not forgrt or choose not to take them as they should. Someone needs to be responsible to see they get them always or suffer the laws for what that person did while not getting their meds. The same as a gun owner, the same as a bit bull owner, the same as an airline if they don't fix problems with the plane.

There must be a system to see meds are always taken, overseen by people who have to see it gets done to cover their own butts. Then it will get done!!!! There are lots of things happen by people getting off their meds. In this small town I could tell you many many stories of people off their meds and the murders that followed and other events that are very bad.

Honestly, there is someone who oversees that we take our meds. And that would be ourselves. We are not animals, as was your first posts analogy. We are conscious, thinking human beings. This is just another way to forgo the need for personal responsibility. Anyways, those whom have bipolar are more danger to themselves than others. Since, if my understanding is correct, Bipolar individuals experience extreme high and extreme lows. Very happy, or very depressed. Depression is a self killer, that's about it.

As for your statement about guns. Doesn't really fit with the whole analogy, since if you are a responsible person, you will teach your children the difference between reality and make believe, and respect for the firearm.

I agree ther should be accountability for people who can't function rationally in society based on a diagnosis by a hospital or doctor.

What I am seeing here from the original post, is that this man didn't premeditate anything. His crime was reactionary with incentive from a disinhibitor, (alcohol). It is a bit difficult to premeditate a crime when you are drunk, considering you can hardly think at all in that state most of the time. His girlfriend left. He got angry, got drunk, rational thinking was out the door and he reacted violently.

I have left his bi-polar/insanity theories out of this scenario on purpose. They might have enhanced the reaction or not, I don't know, but it's funny how everyone so far, jumped to judge based on his mental diagnosis.....

My mental health qualifications here? HDip Psychology and worked for over 5 years with mental health patients, of all kinds, from admissons ward right through to community living, empowering them and getting them ready for community life and independance.

Mental illness or not...I hope he doesn't get off....he knew enough to escape himself...therefore it's quite obvious he was aware of the harm that he had just set in motion...because he was aware of the harm to himself and he was supposedly the intended victim with his suicide statements....he was most certainly aware of the harm he was causing his g/f....yet left her to die....he should pay whatever penalty he has coming to him....and assault is not god enough it should be attempted mureder because he was seen dousing her in gas...if she doesn't live then it should be upgraded to murder!!!!!!!!!

It's quite obvious he had enough faculties about him to escape himself....so I have no sympathy...mental illness or no mental illness!!!!!!!!!!!

Before I got to the end of the OP, I could already see it coming. Just knew some fool would try to defend this murderous freak with the mental illness defense. HE made the CHOICE to not DEAL with his illness. Not a child, not like he wasn't aware. Should be held fully accountable.

I really feel for this guys victims and their families too but I also feel for the guy himself - its not really about apportioning blame imo but if somebody with bipolar stops taking their meds, (which they do from reasons which appear very valid to themselves and is characteristic of the illness) there should be measures in place whereby the families or others who this may affect can seek help as a matter of safety - how bad do things have to get before we start acting as the civilised society which we give ourselves credit for being - and how much of an indication is this whole incident of the 'take a pill n it'll all get better' society............ I really wish you people could have a much better healthcare system - us too for that matter............

What monitoring of this guys meds was going on? Had the lady in question sought help from anybody other than her friend, are there measures in place in say, the police department to deal with the very real fears of partners of people suffering from this harrowing condition?

As far as persons being responsible themselves......it doesn't work well enough because those who let others take care of their own meds make bad judgements as to who is capable and who is not. If they were responsible for the results.....their judgements would by far better. People are left in charge of their own meds that can not even keep themselves clean to the point their sheets on the bed have a layer of black slick dead skin and dirt on their sheets. Sheet not changed in months, but still they are in charge of their meds.

The anolgy was for danger and not comparing one to animals....should have been clear in context. As to danger, there are different levels in all things, people with mental problems should have from no overseeing to constant depending on the person. But due to lazy people working for the buck and not caring let people who are not responible take care of thier own meds. if they had to pay for the results....they would do a better job for all.

The guns.....with peer pressure many well taught kids still do stupid things.

People who can not take their meds and are a danger without them should be seen to take their meds by someone who's butt will be in a sling if something happens. Without responiblity everyone pisses off on the job is some degree.

***What I am seeing here from the original post, is that this man didn't premeditate anything. His crime was reactionary with incentive from a disinhibitor, (alcohol).




#1 The article clearly statews he had been sending sgressive e-mails all day!! This is premeditaion!!


#2 Alchohol is no defense! If he was on meds...he knew not to drink alchohol. It clearly states on the bottle. I take medicine for bi-polar. I know that if I drink, it will have a negativwe effect

It is time that people take responsibility for their own actions and to quit blaming everything on an outside stimuli!


A. He knew he was bi-polar

B. He knew not to drink alchohol

C. He sent agressive e-mails all day

D. He threatened to kill himself....but chose to try and kill her, instead.

E. The threat of suicide was a cry for help....but he chose not to seek that help, but not only threw gasoline on the house, but the woman too.

Yes, he has some emotional issues, but is hardly mentally ill, to the point of being incapable of making rash decisions.

I applaude you for your background, but I do have to ask one thing: You state that the posts thus far are judgemental based upon what little we know, but are you not also now judging that him being drunk led to his actions. I seen nothing in the article stating what his BAC was, to be classified as legally drunk, thus alcohol cannot be used as the excuse for his actions. Also, if I was a juror, I would want to know his BAC, and I would also like to know, the relation, timewise, to the first aggressive behavior towards her and his consumption of said inhibitor

The fucker should of been dragged out the back, had his knee caps broken then a bullet through the back of the neck


Jails to good for that kinda low, life bottom dwelling, scumbucket

Personal responsibility is one of the forst things to go out the window when mental health issues manifest in someboy - my qualifiactaion to speak on this is that a really big chunk of my recent degree, Health and applied Social Sciences, is based on psychology and mental healt/illness/wellbeing - apart from that, I have a friend or two who suffer from this illness............

Yeah, I agree the guys actions were those of a scumbag but I also wish there was somekinda way that these things could be nipped in the bud. Its like a dangerous road waiting for an accident to happen before anybody thinks to put up traffic calming measures.........

I have caring for all in the situation....I did say all! But the end result shows.....it ain't working as is.....many times over!!!

As far as judgement....I leave that to those who are suppose to be more informed and qualified that me.

Sometimes the media uses catch words to describe a mental condition. They are not experts in psychology, they just know what we all do , there was somthing very wrong with Larry Barnard. Someone told them he was bipolar and they ran with it, his real condition is not realy available to the public , medical reacords are private and a potential lawsuite if shared.

Bipolar is a word that has replaced scytsophrenia (sp?) as an diagnosis of mental illness dy a doctor that is not in the psycology field.

If she dies then he will likely face manslaughter charges , unfourtunatly 90% of her body being burned is not good (well of course it is not (duh)) but as a medical condition the skin is an organ that she has lost.


Dennis ( alchol and medication do not mix well, perhaps he did take his meds also )

He'll probably get off! It's rather disgusting really, all you have to do is cry mental illness and you can basically do whatever you want. Maybe we should go back to the time when we kept all mentally ill people locked up in sanitariums instead of letting them walk around and decided when and when not to take their meds.

Im thinking that we need to ask collectively what can be learned from such horrific incidents and what measures need to be implemented in the mental health care field to minimise further incidences of it in society in general - its all very well people sitting in judgment of somebodies actions but its hardly productive.

I imagine that when the guy comes round and realises what he's done, he will probably be the first to say he should face the death penalty - I dont know how I would react if it was my brother who had doen this - do any of you?.........

[quote=shipoker55]***What I am seeing here from the original post, is that this man didn't premeditate anything. His crime was reactionary with incentive from a disinhibitor, (alcohol).

#1 The article clearly statews he had been sending sgressive e-mails all day!! This is premeditaion!! This is reactionary! A man in love and jilted is capable of anything in anger and despair. His whole world was changing and somepeople react violently to change.

#2 Alchohol is no defense! If he was on meds...he knew not to drink alchohol. If he was on the meds, which they said he wasn't!

It clearly states on the bottle. I take medicine for bi-polar. I know that if I drink, it will have a negativwe effect. You are obviously on your meds and are not an alcoholic. No saying he wasn't an alcoholic as well as needing meds he wasn't taking.
It is time that people take responsibility for their own actions and to quit blaming everything on an outside stimuli!

A. He knew he was bi-polar... agreed
B. He knew not to drink alchohol... extenuating circumstances

C. He sent agressive e-mails all day...Sick and angry and drunk and agressive. Many people react like that who are not bipolar.D.

He threatened to kill himself....but chose to try and kill her, instead. Who knows what was in his mind then? We can't judge that!
E. The threat of suicide was a cry for help....but he chose not to seek that help, but not only threw gasoline on the house, but the woman too. Out of his head with anger and rejection. Anger rages. It is destructive especially if you are drunk too and can't control it. A cry for help would have been the last thing on his mind right then in the throes of anger.
Yes, he has some emotional issues, but is hardly mentally ill, to the point of being incapable of making rash decisions. I never at any time referred to his mental illness, (I did this on purpose). Lots of people without mental illness do this too every day, out of anger and rejection. Alcohol can enhance anger way past rational thinking.

I only pointed to the alcohol to illustrate that we can't judge him based only on his mental illness or ensueing state from his lack of meds. I was makin gthe point that there were other contributing factors including alcohol which was mentioned in the article.

I have never said at any time that alcohol caused anything, just that it could well have been a contributing factor. I said he had incentive from a disinhibitor. Even small amounts of alcohol are mood/mind altering, or there wouldn't have been such strict limits put on drink driving.