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Im still bewildered

Well you shouldn't be...You're smart cookie.....

Trish......I don't know about you.....but I am not a collective pawn.
The work I do....I consider it valueable and worthwhile. You say that
GWB is playing people against eash other.....like telling people that WWIII was a near thing....and causing fear.....a few months ago?

Then last week the Isreali Air Force flies a little 120 plane sortie on a test run for Iran or elsewhere. And the world goes....oh my....they are
serious....they might just push the button and this WWIII is on.

The Isreali likely did not even give GWB 24 hours notice of the sortie, Trish. They just did it.

It is not a game, Trish. Real deal and real thing. People just don't want to face the fact that it is close at present. That was always one of the problem with the cold war, by the way. That the militaries would become complacent with such a long conflict of threats without the reality of combat.....that they would make misestimations.

Don't underestimate Pres. A or terrorists that are seeking nuc, Trish.
They will use them.

Trish...there are so many opinions, positions and words being expresses on this. I respect your position. And do really wish your professional opinion on Pres. A. I may come on hard....on this....because I have seen it from different perspective than yours.
But it does not mean I don't respect your position.

Iraq is not OURs to write off!!

Then we stay and get the job done, Ship. Leave and we have no word in what happens there. Leave with a full withdrawal....they (being every anti American group and anti American country in the region) get the choice.

But you are 100% right...Iraq is not ours.

whatever G-dub comes ups with I don't think I will understand

WE DO HAVE ALL THOSE NUKES OF OURS SITTING AROUNG, GETTING DUSTY..............................

Welcome, John!

You don't polish your nuke?

I know John. Remember when the nuclear option was on the table for Afghanistan?

To go after the deep mountian base complexes with nucs? Well I shot the idea down with some papers. There were other ways to achieve the same without going nuclear.

We are trying to keep this conventional, John. You and Ship both know that. Also the moment we go nuclear, the world will be on us like flies to cow turds. The coming problem is Iran and its nuclear programs, not ours. We could have used them already......the world is not picking up on the restraint that has been shown here.

Washington doesnot want this to go WMD. But there is not much we can do about a Isreal that sees if differently. jmo

I KNOW BRO, I BEEN THERE TOO LONG...........BUT IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE IF I WAS PRESIDENT THE BUTTON MIGHT LOOK LIKE A GOOD WAY TO GO SOMTIMES, BESIDES ZAP A BLANK SPOT IN IRAN, THEN ASK, NO TELL OPEC WE EXPECT TO PAY NO MORE THAN 20 CENTS A GALLON AGAIN, FOREVER, WONDER WHAT WOULD HAPPEN. WORLD OPINION BE DAMMED!
JR

Hang in there, John. It is cooling in Iraq. We are working the lob bomb problem now. I have some ideas here, sending up the flag pole soon.

North Korea just agreed to totally dismantle its reactor by Oct. So pressure and diplomancy can work. But they would have never said that without a US military presence and military options on the table
against them.

Iran is more complicated than North Korea. Thier nuclear facilities are
more in number, some are buried, Iran has put more dollar into them, and still has tacid support from Russia.....for their having the programs. But nothing will happen without a military presence and military options on the table with Iran, in my opinion.

You cannot imagine the pressure to be energy independant here in the US now with the price hitting $4 per gal. Environmentalists are losing support because thier positions. As they do, Democrat representatives...can come around to approving the offshore and anwar drilling programs.

Even better than opec at .20 per gallon. Is US produced at .20 per gallon.:-) We will all be driving Caddies with 427 in them again.:-)

Be safe, John.

whats with thses blow up goat sex toys ? ..and do they come in black ?

Hi Gilly! How's it going?

Only read page 8 of this one. Good that folks are openly discussing...

On deductive reasoning and restraint, you know that Isreal has atomic bombs, right? How do you know?

Does it not stand to reason that Iran already has some? Just as Isreal's powerful ally has handed them "the bomb" (which they wisely choose NOT to talk about)...

Does it not stand to reason that Iran's powerful ally has not ever trucked a few over the border?

What would happen to the flow of oil if someone blew off just one atomic and contaminated a very small sea-passage that half the world's oil is floated through?

This stuff is "brinkmanship". It is very real.

hello buddy ..hows it going man ? just thought i'd wake you yanks up for a couple of days before getting back into my assignments again !