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how many gods are there ? what does a god really do ? and what people do god or gods really like ?

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mylifewithu
springfield, Missouri USA
Posted: Jul 23, 2008, 1:34 PM CST
How many God's does it take to screw in a light bulb???







None, they don't believe in themrolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing





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StressFree
small city, Kalmar Sweden
Posted: Jul 23, 2008, 1:38 PM CST
Ambrose2007 wrote:
I have a Zen question for you, Stressless: When you went to SF, did you wear a flower in your hair?


Of course....I always do when I take a walk through Golden Gate park...flower power brother!peace

I like how Aries is rolling up her sleeves in this thread...it's very sexy.
Hi Arieswave bouquet of flowers





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MikeHD
Dallas, Texas USA
Posted: Jul 23, 2008, 1:43 PM CST
BnaturAl wrote:
you said that I listen, to take your arguements to pieces,... I said no they come to me from you already in pieces.



'linear' is thinking in logical steps, something scientists generally do.
I like to hear what you have to say rather than bible verses that seem old and stale to me.

capice?


OH...

confused

cheers





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crotalus_p
Rush , Dublin Ireland
Posted: Jul 23, 2008, 1:48 PM CST
Aries01 wrote:
Simply being condecending to posters


My dear if you consider what I have posted to be condescending then you must consider what you have said to be condescending scold


Aries01 wrote:
for the purpose purely of debate do you have anything at all???


Ok here is one for you , Mosses how come the only thing that suggests he was ever on the face of the planet was the bible?? , I mean you would think there would be some record of all those slaves being in Egypt , and if every first born son in Egypt died surly there would be some record of it , or ever mass graves to find , and not to mention the fact that the Jew’s that left must of been great at recycling because they managed not to leave one single trace of them selves in the 40 years they spent in the desert rolling eyes





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BnaturAl
Sarnia, Ontario Canada
Posted: Jul 23, 2008, 1:51 PM CST
Aries01 wrote:
Everything that happened was meant to happen and everything that will happen is equally a part of Gods overall plan... so I am not saying that Jesus was saying that previous rules etc were all wrong.. they were right for the time and the context that they were in.. just that the Coming of Jesus.. marked a new era a new beginning so to speak... am in the middle of studying so hope can give a better answer later


new era ... hmmm historically this true a definitive era began, and I'm not going to take issue with jesus because I think he is man construct.

I would however like to hear how you balance 'part of gods overall plan' with 'us having free will'. These is an element of impossibility in having both, that I have never quite grasped. Its is either his plan or we have free will to affect that plan, thus messing with his plan, so its no longer his.. dunno





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BnaturAl
Sarnia, Ontario Canada
Posted: Jul 23, 2008, 1:53 PM CST
MikeHD wrote:
OH...


you've been taking some of those monkey lessons that I took.. rolling on the floor laughing





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MikeHD
Dallas, Texas USA
Posted: Jul 23, 2008, 2:11 PM CST
I think I picked the wrong week to stop drinking...

drinking





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Aries01
Dublin, Dublin Ireland
Posted: Jul 23, 2008, 2:13 PM CST
BnaturAl wrote:
new era ... historically this true a definitive era began, and I'm not going to take issue with jesus because I think he is man construct.

I would however like to hear how you balance 'part of gods overall plan' with 'us having free will'. These is an element of impossibility in having both, that I have never quite grasped. Its is either his plan or we have free will to affect that plan, thus messing with his plan, so its no longer his..


I had trouble with that one too initially but given he is all knowing and omnipresent he knows all our mistakes and decisions before we make them.. the fact that he does not intervene (unless very serious) is the free will element...

Anyway.. between Crotulus.. or whatever his name is and thomaspatrick.. I have had all the negativity I can take for one evening.. so nite night sweetie.. chat tomorrow when hopefully I will be in better form... laugh hug





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moses
istanbul, Marmara Turkey
Posted: Jul 23, 2008, 4:52 PM CST
jimbhoy wrote:
I believe there is a "GOD" but i cant stand any form of organised religion..
i pray to god when it suits me and he listens when it suits him/her.
Why is it that Priests,Preachers can tell you all about "hell" but tell you nothing about "heaven" except to say you'll sing with the angels etc...
I hope God lives in hell cos its a hell of a lot more fun there and its always warm


Hi Jimhoy. You said like that:"I believe there is a "GOD" but i cant stand any form of organised religion."
Thats like someone trying to go from Dublin to Kildare but not by normal way, he is turning all araund of land ,at last he is reach to Kildare but soo difficult.Or trying to make new way for reach there.

"i pray to god when it suits me and he listens when it suits him/her"
Thats soo normal and good.

"Why is it that Priests,Preachers can tell you all about "hell" but tell you nothing about "heaven" except to say you'll sing with the angels etc."

Do not act like preachers said.They arent original of religion ,they are just helper for understand.Search Holy Book's and hawe a choise, your choise is better than all other choise but in this life.

Keep healthly





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Emanuellla
heaven city Timor-Leste
Posted: Jul 23, 2008, 4:58 PM CST
popcorn keep posting, guys...you have no idea what a great job u are doinggrin 2 thumbs up rolling eyes





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Xtabentun
Ontario, Ontario Canada
Posted: Jul 23, 2008, 5:04 PM CST
Ambrose2007 wrote:
I have a Zen question for you, Stressless: When you went to SF, did you wear a flower in your hair?


rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing I didn't see that coming, all focused in the methaphisycal staff going on here!

rolling on the floor laughing
Imagining SF walking proud troll
bouquet of flowers thumbs up Ambrose





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jlw45
chandler, Texas USA
Posted: Jul 23, 2008, 6:50 PM CST


For the record the bible has been proven time and time again to be historically incorrect , and all archaeological/geographical evidence that supports stories in the bible does not support the biblical account's of any of the stories ,[/quote]...............this is flat out wrong....the alot of things in the bible has been proven to be credable....but, findings have been kept on the hush...one exsample comes to mind...an archeologist tracing thr rout of the irealites exodose from egypt, descovered a pillar on both sides of the gulf of agabah {im not sure of the correct spelling}, wich is part of the red sea...the pillars were erected by king solomon to commemorate the red sea crossing...this same archeologist, i believe his name is ron white, descovered that inbetween these two pillars, was a natural shelf under the water...and all along this under water shelf were chariot wheels...four, six, and eight spoke chariot wheels...wich corrispond with the egyptian dynisty of that same time period....whats strange is how it was never mentioned in main stream media....





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crotalus_p
Rush , Dublin Ireland
Posted: Jul 23, 2008, 7:19 PM CST
Ronald Eldon Wyatt (1933 - August 4, 1999) was an amateur archaeologist (he had no training in the discipline and held no professional position) and author who claimed to have discovered many significant biblical sites and artifacts. His claims are dismissed by scientists, historians, biblical scholars and most Christian leaders even in his own Seventh-day Adventist Church, but he continues to be quoted

Wyatt was a nurse-anesthetist when in 1960 he saw a picture in Life magazine of a boat-like shape on a mountain near Mount Ararat. The resulting wide-spread speculation in evangelical Christian circles that this might be Noah's Ark started Wyatt on his career as an amateur archaeologist. From 1977 until his death in 1999 he made over one hundred trips to the Middle East, his interests widening to take in a wide variety of references from the Old and New Testaments.

Wyatt won a devoted following among some fundamentalist Christians seeking tangible evidence of the literal truth of the Bible. His credibility was disputed, often bitterly, by genuine archaeologists and biblical scholars. The Garden Tomb Association of Jerusalem state in a letter they issue to visitors on request:

The Council of the Garden Tomb Association (London) totally refute the claim of Mr Wyatt to have discovered the original Ark of the Covenant or any other biblical artifacts within the boundaries of the area known as the Garden Tomb Jerusalem. Though Mr Wyatt was allowed to dig within this privately owned garden on a number of occasions (the last occasion being the summer of 1991) staff members of the Association observed his progress and entered his excavated shaft. As far as we are aware nothing was ever discovered to support his claims nor have we seen any evidence of biblical artifacts or temple treasures.

In a similar vein, archaeologist Joe Zias of Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA) has stated that "Ron Wyatt is neither an archaeologist nor has he ever carried out a legally licensed excavation in Israel or Jerusalem. In order to excavate one must have at least a BA in archaeology which he does not possess despite his claims to the contrary. ... [His claims] fall into the category of trash which one finds in tabloids such as the National Enquirer, Sun etc."[2]

The more mainstream branches of the evangelical movement are not any less skeptical: Answers in Genesis has called some of Wyatt's claims fraudulent,[3] and one Seventh-day Adventist professor of archaeology sums up Wyatt's Noah's Ark and anchor stones claims in these words: "While the Durupinar site is about the right length for Noah's ark, [it is] ... too wide to be Noah's ark. Wyatt has claimed that the "boat-shapedness" of this formation can only be explained by its being Noah's ark, but both Shea and Morris have offered other plausible explanations. Likewise, Wyatt has argued that the standing stones he has found are anchors, while Terian is aware of similar stones outside the Durupinar site area that were pagan cultic stones later converted by Christians for Christian purposes."[4]

Dismissed by the mainstream as a pseudoarchaeologist, Wyatt and his followers in turn dismissed their critics as motivated by personal spite and/or anti-Christian animosity. Wyatt's official organization, Wyatt Archaeological Research (WAR), claims that the IAA have always been well aware of the excavations and issued "verbal permits" for most of them and official permits to all WAR excavations since 2002. Nevertheless, the only evidence of WAR involvement in a legitimate excavation sanctioned by the IAA relates to WAR part-funding of a 2005 dig.[5]







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crotalus_p
Rush , Dublin Ireland
Posted: Jul 23, 2008, 7:20 PM CST
Claimed discoveries

By the time of his death in August 4, 1999 his claims for bibical discoveries include:

The true Noah's Ark (the Durupinar site, located 18¼ miles south of Mount Ararat at an altitude of 6,525 feet above sea level)
Anchor stones (or drogue stones) used by Noah on the Ark
The post-flood house, grave markers and tombs of Noah and his wife
The location of Sodom and Gomorrah and the other (3) Cities of the Plain: Zoar, Zeboim and Admah
Sulfur/brimstone balls from the ashen remains of Sodom and Gomorrah
The Tower of Babel in Central Turkey
The site of the Israelites' crossing of the Red Sea (which Wyatt located in the Gulf of Aqaba)
Chariot wheels and other relics of the pursuing army of Pharaoh at the bottom of the Red Sea
The true site of the biblical Mt. Sinai (located by Wyatt in Saudi Arabia at Jabal al Lawz) as recorded in the book of Galatians 4:25
A chamber at the end of a maze of tunnels under Jerusalem containing artifacts from Solomon's 1st Temple
The true site of the Crucifixion of Jesus the Messiah
The Ark of the Covenant
The original stones of the Ten Commandments (the 2nd set)
The Blood of Jesus, dripped onto the Mercy seat of the Ark of the Covenant, directly beneath the Crucifixion site






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crotalus_p
Rush , Dublin Ireland
Posted: Jul 23, 2008, 7:22 PM CST
Following his death

Following Wyatt's death, a split developed between the official Wyatt Archaeological Research (WAR) organization which he founded, and the independent ministries and interested individuals which had previously cooperated with WAR. WAR currently claims to be the sole owner of all Wyatt's photographs, newsletters, and other intellectual property. Other individuals who have known Ron Wyatt, have established ministries and websites with the purpose of promoting Wyatt's research and fieldwork





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crotalus_p
Rush , Dublin Ireland
Posted: Jul 23, 2008, 7:25 PM CST
If you want to waste your money the has about 12 dvd's for sale rolling eyes





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Xtabentun
Ontario, Ontario Canada
Posted: Jul 23, 2008, 7:29 PM CST
crotalus_p wrote:
Ronald Eldon Wyatt (1933 - August 4, 1999) was an amateur archaeologist (he had no training in the discipline and held no professional position) and author who claimed to have discovered many significant biblical sites and artifacts. His claims are dismissed by scientists, historians, biblical scholars and most Christian leaders even in his own Seventh-day Adventist Church, but he continues to be quoted

Wyatt was a nurse-anesthetist when in 1960 he saw a picture in Life magazine of a boat-like shape on a mountain near Mount Ararat. The resulting wide-spread speculation in evangelical Christian circles that this might be Noah's Ark started Wyatt on his career as an amateur archaeologist. From 1977 until his death in 1999 he made over one hundred trips to the Middle East, his interests widening to take in a wide variety of references from the Old and New Testaments.

Wyatt won a devoted following among some fundamentalist Christians seeking tangible evidence of the literal truth of the Bible. His credibility was disputed, often bitterly, by genuine archaeologists and biblical scholars. The Garden Tomb Association of Jerusalem state in a letter they issue to visitors on request:

The Council of the Garden Tomb Association (London) totally refute the claim of Mr Wyatt to have discovered the original Ark of the Covenant or any other biblical artifacts within the boundaries of the area known as the Garden Tomb Jerusalem. Though Mr Wyatt was allowed to dig within this privately owned garden on a number of occasions (the last occasion being the summer of 1991) staff members of the Association observed his progress and entered his excavated shaft. As far as we are aware nothing was ever discovered to support his claims nor have we seen any evidence of biblical artifacts or temple treasures.

In a similar vein, archaeologist Joe Zias of Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA) has stated that "Ron Wyatt is neither an archaeologist nor has he ever carried out a legally licensed excavation in Israel or Jerusalem. In order to excavate one must have at least a BA in archaeology which he does not possess despite his claims to the contrary. ... [His claims] fall into the category of trash which one finds in tabloids such as the National Enquirer, Sun etc."[2]

The more mainstream branches of the evangelical movement are not any less skeptical: Answers in Genesis has called some of Wyatt's claims fraudulent,[3] and one Seventh-day Adventist professor of archaeology sums up Wyatt's Noah's Ark and anchor stones claims in these words: "While the Durupinar site is about the right length for Noah's ark, [it is] ... too wide to be Noah's ark. Wyatt has claimed that the "boat-shapedness" of this formation can only be explained by its being Noah's ark, but both Shea and Morris have offered other plausible explanations. Likewise, Wyatt has argued that the standing stones he has found are anchors, while Terian is aware of similar stones outside the Durupinar site area that were pagan cultic stones later converted by Christians for Christian purposes."[4]

Dismissed by the mainstream as a pseudoarchaeologist, Wyatt and his followers in turn dismissed their critics as motivated by personal spite and/or anti-Christian animosity. Wyatt's official organization, Wyatt Archaeological Research (WAR), claims that the IAA have always been well aware of the excavations and issued "verbal permits" for most of them and official permits to all WAR excavations since 2002. Nevertheless, the only evidence of WAR involvement in a legitimate excavation sanctioned by the IAA relates to WAR part-funding of a 2005 dig.[5]



Isn't Mount Ararat is in Turkey and the Garden Thomb just outside of Jerusalem?confused dunno





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crotalus_p
Rush , Dublin Ireland
Posted: Jul 23, 2008, 7:34 PM CST
Mount Ararat is located in Eastern Turkey on the borders of Iran





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Xtabentun
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Posted: Jul 23, 2008, 7:36 PM CST
crotalus_p wrote:
Mount Ararat is located in Eastern Turkey on the borders of Iran


rolling eyes Faaaaar away from Garden Thomb






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jlw45
chandler, Texas USA
Posted: Jul 23, 2008, 8:06 PM CST
the bible is not about relegion, the bible is about trueth....christ was'nt about relegion he was of that trueth...jesus was always bashing the relegious leaders of that time...a good definision of relegion is this...relegion is mans attempt to bridge a gap to GOD....there is nothing we can do {..ie...''good works''...} to please a holy GOD...we are sinners...all of us...it is inharant...we are born in sin...GOD can't have anything to do with sin or sinners...but, GOD has bridged a gap to us...that bridge is what christ did in our place....the sins of the world were cast on him....thats what christ meant, in the garden, when he said...''if there be any other way, let this cup pass from me''....he was'nt talking about the crusifixion...and when christ died...the bible says the vail was ripped ....the priest's of that time, kept holy things of god behind that vail and they would make prayers for you behind the vail...the vail was ripped to show us that we did'nt need anyone to pray for us...we could pray for ourselves, threw christ..........there are alot of relegions out there, and the one thing they have in commen is, they all say ...if I do this or, if I do that, i'm ok, i'm good with god....and thats totally opposite of what the bible says...the bible says that ALL our good works are as filthy rags in the sight of GOD....and today we have alot of relegions saying that god is going to bless you and make you rich...{if you will give to the church} well, what does the bible say about money?....hmmm...check it out!!!...and besides that, what IS the church...?....the church is'nt an organinazation...its not the vatican and the pope....its not jerry farwell...its the people who are in need......if you want answers about the bible and GOD...go read the bible....and by the way...bible is a greek word, that means book....the important word in the title ''the bible''....is THE...it IS, THE book..............





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