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Have to admire your honesty ship.

OK I see this as a problem for the Serbs. And its a substantial one.

Do you think that it is the reason that this arrest was made? To show the EU they are working the problem? If that is the case, these hardliners of the Kradizc can go violent. They will see little way out
than not to.

But still, I don't see the problem being a EU problem. The EU has standards for admission, the Serbs know this. It is up to the Serbs to meet the standards, not for the EU to lower them so they can get in.
Yes?

It is true they have to meet the political standards and have to be seen to be obeying international rules.

I personally find the timing in these matters always coincides with agendas for something else. I'm sure they could have found Karadzic long before this but the timing had to be right in order to show the EU that they were getting with the program for inclusion. Karadzic has been OPENLY lecturing in Belgrade, albeit with a little bearded disguise, for years.

I have seen this happen before. There would have been no benefit politically to having him caught before. A bit like Saddam, or the fact that despite satellite coverage, even infrared technology, picking out and identifying individuals from terrorist training camps in the deserts of eastern countries, they still haven't "found" Osama.

They have found Karadzic now when they have tantalised the masses about inclusion, gauging their eagerness for inclusion against their hatred for each other and need for vengance, for least violent reactions from activists. He's just an offering to the God's that be!

Political and psychological manipulation at its best.

Good media coverage now and they are set to prove how co-operative they are with the EU, whom they think will put them up a few notches, time wise, in the inclusion stakes, and so reap the financial benefits sooner.

It's always about timing.............. and money..........

Nice to see that this thread is still alive, and that there is good discussion going on.

All the views so far have been very interesting. I'd just like to jumpm in on one point though, where Serbia and the Balkans are concerned it is never a "localised" problem.

The Balkans have always been the yard stick, and flash point for the rest of Europe. It was where ww1 started ( the assassitnation of Grand Duke Ferdinand), which led to the spliting of the rest of Europe into the axis and allied powers, same again in ww2. Tito's coalition of the non-aligned highlighted the problems of the cold war and the countries left in between the super powers, and the "police actions" that the fall of Yugoslavia demanded, gave us a intervention model that, I would argue, created the climate for Afgahanistan and Iraq.

Those things aside, the way that Europe as a whole now deals with perpertrators of genocide right on its door step, will send out a big message to the assession states, and the ones that wish to join, and will have a definitive effect on European politics in the years to come....

I hope too that they catch his General soon too, for all the reasons above.

Well thats my view anyway...;)

Since when someone from England cares about Balkans.Please stay away from this

DarkDreamer2005 or anyone else has the right to post whatever, so long as it does not break CS rules, and this does not

im not saying about braking rulez,but balkans are mixed since ever and its really sensitive issue to talk about without knowing true facts or just knowing facts were served to media.
balkans has hiden spirits,dont wake them up

then tell us the true facts, so we may all know them?

who knows them anyway.He is bad person but there r others too,that should be cought.Maskres on serbs by bosnians(wich had al keada soligers on thair side),from croats to bosnians,bosnians to croats......serbs werent alone in that war.
after war in macedonia between macedonians and albanians,two macedonians were taken to haag and noone from albanian side.Albanians comandos are in govermant now spreading democracy after masakring non albanians in areas where majority are albanians,do u think thats fer.Where is EU in that case?

Anyway im not about mixing anyone from a side in conflict between two states or nationalities.You cant bring piece with wepon.

markizamkd25: im not saying about braking rulez,but balkans are mixed since ever and its really sensitive issue to talk about without knowing true facts or just knowing facts were served to media.
balkans has hiden spirits,dont wake them up

I agree, I am always happy to learn. As I said I think that what happens in the Balkans has far reaching consequences for the rest of us, but I don't pretend to be an authority on them, and I would be glad to hear what you have to say

If we don't talk or discuss things, we never learn, and I believe non-communication leads to conflict.

You obviously feel strongly about it, if I have it wrong let me know, or if you want to put your side, tell your story...

That is what the forums are for...

Im not nationalist,not even patriot without reason but onestly ive seen news on CNN and BBC and truth is thay r sooooo far of real things thats happening at least news about conflicts we had.Thats why im so nervos about.
Soligers from a side are never welcomed,most of them feel as protectors but truth is that noone sees them like that.And thair behavior is after few beers spiting state,ppl and think can have sex with everygirl thay see ......
All bad ppl should be locked up and get what thay desirve not just some.Justis is corect for some and blind for others.

I agree, That is why I posed it as a question, and I would argue that the actions of the Serbs didn't come out of thin air. That is the problem with any conflict, atrocities are commited on both sides.

In most of history, we see the victors vilifying the losers, maybe the only exception so far being the reconcilliaction process in South Afirca (although I am sure there is debate there too); but we also see that heavy humiliation and reparartions on Germany after WW1 didn't lead to a better place.

Any healing from this has to acknowledge both sides.... or is it possible to just forget and move on...?

Again I agree, the behaviour of the UN forces was attrocious, and nobody seems to be being brought to account for it. I know that UN soilders were involved in prositution rings and people trafficking.... something should be done about this...

We didnt had any involvment with that war and i was kid i can say.But there was always nationalizam on every side in that area,religion also.If u mention any of that problems to macedonian will laugh at your face about,seems we were always cool about those issues thats why everyone attack us but anyway im proud of Macedonian nation about that kind of behavior,only thing we care is good party and drinking but u cant choose naighbours

yeah very true.last thing was few months ago,french soligers from kosovo were taking refugees to macedonian airport and than to france afcourse for money.In 2001 on demonstartions,was put on fire wan of observators of UN,and that wan explode coz there was bombs and all kind of wepons in it ,in the centar of the town and was said that observators dont have wepons thay dont use whepons thay just obseve from a side

So true.... in the face of all this...sometimes it is best to crack a beer, smile and live..

This behaviour is all to common in visitors to the East Europe as well, they do not need to be soldiers, they still believe them selves to be small gods anyway

I have seen this too, there is an arrogance from western Europeans, when in the East. I think part of this is that they are not told anything other than what great stag parties you can have in Prague, and expect a 3rd world population thankful for their currency. All not true.

Thats why I think talking about this stuff is good, it opens everyones eyes and educates them...

The U.N. HAH! What a waste they are!

No, his arrest won't matter: the vacuum will be filled by some other murderer! Just the way it is....

I can agree on some levels with both your comments.... but if not the UN as an organisation, then what?