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Euthanasia

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cristina
Lisbon, Groningen Netherlands
Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 5:43 PM CST
jampet wrote:
there was a comment made- in a national paper recently- by a journalist whose lover had recently died- that said 'hospice nurses....licence to kill!' man, that made my blood boil- i work hand in hand with the hospice nurses- we share care in the weekday, then we take over on the weekends- they are the most caring compassionate, knowledgeable people I have ever met, and NEVER, EVER, have I seen them use any more drugs than is medically necessary to ease suffering- not hasten a death!

that is not what we do- we make the last few minutes, hours, days, as comfortable and bearable as possible- to allow them to enjoy their time with their families, and die with a scrap of dignity!

if you have not been in that situation personally.please do not judge


I helped my mom die with dignity...

No, it was not euthanasia...

Sometimes, people that love the ill prefer they die...
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Dont_Look_Now
Huntsville, Alabama USA
Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 5:44 PM CST
cristina wrote:
Yes, No and why?
I'll get back to you when I'm in the position to know wine
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cristina
Lisbon, Groningen Netherlands
Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 5:45 PM CST
Dont_Look_Now wrote:
I'll get back to you when I'm in the position to know


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WhatUwish4
Jacksonville, Florida USA
Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 5:46 PM CST
cristina wrote:
I helped my mom die with dignity...

No, it was not euthanasia...

Sometimes, people that love the ill prefer they die...



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cristina
Lisbon, Groningen Netherlands
Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 5:47 PM CST

Thank you sweetiehug
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jampet
wexford, Wexford Ireland
Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 5:48 PM CST
cristina wrote:
I helped my mom die with dignity...

No, it was not euthanasia...



Sometimes, people that love the ill prefer they die...



oh honeyhug they are going to die- but like you said, they can die with dignity, and knowing a9especiallya)they, or their loved ones have not suffered more than they had to.
May i state that i have never been involved in euthenasia, but if i was in that position, i would hate to think someone else had their own feelings at the forefront, and would make me endure the suffering and indignity, just to make them feel better
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Claayer
Wild Wild South West, England UK
Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 5:49 PM CST
cherokeemoon2 wrote:
Ive felt that way many times with the fatal disease I have,but I have children and g-children to consider.To me its a very selfish act.



Pleeeease maybe don't read this if you are tender about the dying..


When I look after someone on 'Final days care' .. They are unable to do anything even lift a limb even a fraction.

Just being carefully moved and repositioned to try to keep them comfortable.. and to prevent any (more?) bed sores)..

Someone adjusting/changing their catheters.. Someone still trying to turn them gently from side to side.. Trying to move a completely floppy unmoving body.. out of the wet/dirty sleepwear/sheets and into something clean..


Someone STILL trying to prise open their legs to clean them and stop them getting possibly any more sore.

AND.. having to have those things done to them a few times (or more) per day.



The bloom from their eyes vanishes.. their faces sink.. become hollow and sunken.. and they really DO look like a shadow.. a ghost of their former selves.

They can no longer take any food.. and are usually hooked up on a Morphine drive (drip) to help with the pain.

They don't seem aware or respond to anything at all by that stage.. (although we still talk to them just the same)..

They lay there.. mouths open.. making gurgley rattling sounds from their throats .. Having someone swab the inside of their mouths with a little sponge on a stick to moisten their BONE dry cracked mouths..

And I can assure you.. by that stage.. every family/partner I have ever worked with WANTS that person to go. ..

to be away from all of that.

To be let free.

I have seen many people long before they get that far.. begging to go.. be taken.. die.. pass over..

And it's one of the most cruel things.



Too frickin RIGHT I believe in Euthanasia thumbs up thumbs up
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shipoker55
St. Petersburg, Florida USA
Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 5:50 PM CST
yes...people should have the right to die with dignity!!


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WhatUwish4
Jacksonville, Florida USA
Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 5:53 PM CST
Claayer wrote:
Pleeeease maybe don't read this if you are tender about the dying.. When I look after someone on 'Final days care' .. They are unable to do anything even lift a limb even a fraction.

Just being carefully moved and repositioned to try to keep them comfortable.. and to prevent any (more?) bed sores)..

Someone adjusting/changing their catheters.. Someone still trying to turn them gently from side to side.. Trying to move a completely floppy unmoving body.. out of the wet/dirty sleepwear/sheets and into something clean.. Someone STILL trying to prise open their legs to clean them and stop them getting possibly any more sore.

AND.. having to have those things done to them a few times (or more) per day.
The bloom from their eyes vanishes.. their faces sink.. become hollow and sunken.. and they really DO look like a shadow.. a ghost of their former selves.

They can no longer take any food.. and are usually hooked up on a Morphine drive (drip) to help with the pain.

They don't seem aware or respond to anything at all by that stage.. (although we still talk to them just the same)..

They lay there.. mouths open.. making gurgley rattling sounds from their throats .. Having someone swab the inside of their mouths with a little sponge on a stick to moisten their BONE dry cracked mouths..

And I can assure you.. by that stage.. every family/partner I have ever worked with WANTS that person to go. ..

to be away from all of that.

To be let free.

I have seen many people long before they get that far.. begging to go.. be taken.. die.. pass over..

And it's one of the most cruel things.
Too frickin RIGHT I believe in Euthanasia




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cristina
Lisbon, Groningen Netherlands
Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 5:56 PM CST
jampet wrote:
oh honey they are going to die- but like you said, they can die with dignity, and knowing a9especiallya)they, or their loved ones have not suffered more than they had to.
May i state that i have never been involved in euthenasia, but if i was in that position, i would hate to think someone else had their own feelings at the forefront, and would make me endure the suffering and indignity, just to make them feel better



Thank you honey

Yes...it's about dignity

Some need to wait for the medicine reaction- with tiny % of probability of managing...

Other's want help to die...they want to die...

Maybe i should have asked who could help someone to die...?
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jampet
wexford, Wexford Ireland
Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 5:58 PM CST
Claayer wrote:
Pleeeease maybe don't read this if you are tender about the dying.. When I look after someone on 'Final days care' .. They are unable to do anything even lift a limb even a fraction.

Just being carefully moved and repositioned to try to keep them comfortable.. and to prevent any (more?) bed sores)..

Someone adjusting/changing their catheters.. Someone still trying to turn them gently from side to side.. Trying to move a completely floppy unmoving body.. out of the wet/dirty sleepwear/sheets and into something clean.. Someone STILL trying to prise open their legs to clean them and stop them getting possibly any more sore.

AND.. having to have those things done to them a few times (or more) per day.
The bloom from their eyes vanishes.. their faces sink.. become hollow and sunken.. and they really DO look like a shadow.. a ghost of their former selves.

They can no longer take any food.. and are usually hooked up on a Morphine drive (drip) to help with the pain.

They don't seem aware or respond to anything at all by that stage.. (although we still talk to them just the same)..

They lay there.. mouths open.. making gurgley rattling sounds from their throats .. Having someone swab the inside of their mouths with a little sponge on a stick to moisten their BONE dry cracked mouths..

And I can assure you.. by that stage.. every family/partner I have ever worked with WANTS that person to go. ..

to be away from all of that.

To be let free.

I have seen many people long before they get that far.. begging to go.. be taken.. die.. pass over..

And it's one of the most cruel things.
Too frickin RIGHT I believe in Euthanasia


thank god someone else understands-hug but it's not about US being spared that- I am well able to handle all the pain and suffering- I'm not immune, and usually end up sobbing with the family-I just hate THEM having to go through it- and the families.
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cristina
Lisbon, Groningen Netherlands
Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 6:01 PM CST
Claayer wrote:
Pleeeease maybe don't read this if you are tender about the dying.. When I look after someone on 'Final days care' .. They are unable to do anything even lift a limb even a fraction.

Just being carefully moved and repositioned to try to keep them comfortable.. and to prevent any (more?) bed sores)..

Someone adjusting/changing their catheters.. Someone still trying to turn them gently from side to side.. Trying to move a completely floppy unmoving body.. out of the wet/dirty sleepwear/sheets and into something clean.. Someone STILL trying to prise open their legs to clean them and stop them getting possibly any more sore.

AND.. having to have those things done to them a few times (or more) per day.
The bloom from their eyes vanishes.. their faces sink.. become hollow and sunken.. and they really DO look like a shadow.. a ghost of their former selves.

They can no longer take any food.. and are usually hooked up on a Morphine drive (drip) to help with the pain.

They don't seem aware or respond to anything at all by that stage.. (although we still talk to them just the same)..

They lay there.. mouths open.. making gurgley rattling sounds from their throats .. Having someone swab the inside of their mouths with a little sponge on a stick to moisten their BONE dry cracked mouths..

And I can assure you.. by that stage.. every family/partner I have ever worked with WANTS that person to go. ..

to be away from all of that.

To be let free.

I have seen many people long before they get that far.. begging to go.. be taken.. die.. pass over..

And it's one of the most cruel things.
Too frickin RIGHT I believe in Euthanasia



Yes, and that all takes years isn't that so Claire? It's not that there are chances being cut, is it?

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Claayer
Wild Wild South West, England UK
Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 6:02 PM CST
jampet wrote:
thank god someone else understands- but it's not about US being spared that- I am well able to handle all the pain and suffering- I'm not immune, and usually end up sobbing with the family-I just hate THEM having to go through it- and the families.


Me too.. rolling eyes comfort

And I totally agree with the rest of what you said too. thumbs up thumbs up
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cristina
Lisbon, Groningen Netherlands
Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 6:04 PM CST
Girls, your job is tough

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crotalus_p
Rush , Dublin Ireland
Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 6:04 PM CST
cristina wrote:

Maybe i should have asked who could help someone to die...?


I personally would have no qualms about helping some one die/performing the act that caused their death , dunno
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jampet
wexford, Wexford Ireland
Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 6:05 PM CST
cristina wrote:
Thank you honey

Yes...it's about dignity

Some need to wait for the medicine reaction- with tiny % of probability of managing...

Other's want help to die...they want to die...

Maybe i should have asked who could help someone to die...?



I'm taking that as you meaning..'who could help someone to die with dignity?' like i said- nothing i have ever done has allowe a death- they are dying anyway..and all the meds in the pumps are only releiving the symptoms of what they are suffering anyway.
usually in a syringe driver( the pump that gives a slow continuous lower dose of drugs to prevent the need for painful injections every so often)there are meds to relive pain, anxiety, too much saliva, psychosisnausea. yes- morphine and it's sister drugs can slow breathing, but it is all about symptom control, not euthanasia-enough pain relief is given to relieve pain, not hasten death-
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cristina
Lisbon, Groningen Netherlands
Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 6:07 PM CST
crotalus_p wrote:
I personally would have no qualms about helping some one die/performing the act that caused their death ,


i...i'd need that training

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Claayer
Wild Wild South West, England UK
Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 6:08 PM CST
cristina wrote:
Yes, and that all takes years isn't that so Claire? It's not that there are chances being cut, is it?


Noooo.. that stage doesn't takes years.. that the final days stuff.. (which CAN go on for 10 days or so)

Before that stage.. is the writhing and crying and begging.. (until they crank up the Morphine to ease the pain.. and suffering.

Somewhere in those stages is where I think Euthanasia should be allowed.


FYI: Morpheus was the Greek God of Dreams.. (morphine makes you very dreamy) ... his father .. Hypnos.. was the God of sleep. (apparently)
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Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 6:08 PM CST
Claayer wrote:
Pleeeease maybe don't read this if you are tender about the dying.. When I look after someone on 'Final days care' .. They are unable to do anything even lift a limb even a fraction.

Just being carefully moved and repositioned to try to keep them comfortable.. and to prevent any (more?) bed sores)..

Someone adjusting/changing their catheters.. Someone still trying to turn them gently from side to side.. Trying to move a completely floppy unmoving body.. out of the wet/dirty sleepwear/sheets and into something clean.. Someone STILL trying to prise open their legs to clean them and stop them getting possibly any more sore.

AND.. having to have those things done to them a few times (or more) per day.
The bloom from their eyes vanishes.. their faces sink.. become hollow and sunken.. and they really DO look like a shadow.. a ghost of their former selves.

They can no longer take any food.. and are usually hooked up on a Morphine drive (drip) to help with the pain.

They don't seem aware or respond to anything at all by that stage.. (although we still talk to them just the same)..

They lay there.. mouths open.. making gurgley rattling sounds from their throats .. Having someone swab the inside of their mouths with a little sponge on a stick to moisten their BONE dry cracked mouths..

And I can assure you.. by that stage.. every family/partner I have ever worked with WANTS that person to go. ..

to be away from all of that.

To be let free.

I have seen many people long before they get that far.. begging to go.. be taken.. die.. pass over..

And it's one of the most cruel things.
Too frickin RIGHT I believe in Euthanasia

Yes I have seen all of that and more , it is terrible and so upsetting . I am undecided about Euthanasia to be perfectly honest. But I really do have such a problem with the term, "dying with dignity" When I watched helplessly on when this was happening , the people were sooo dignified soo brave . Who says that dying in the way fate intended for you is undignified ? I really don't know who decides this. Of course there is the extreme of pain and everything else that goes it2 it , yes I do know . But " undignified ? Hell no!! Is this not the circle of life coming in2 play. We come in2 the world needing everything done fof us
and hopefuly leave it with all our loved ones with us , to ease us on our path. I think that is why Death is called by some the last tabboo , it is painfly hard to deal with and frightening ! JMO
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cristina
Lisbon, Groningen Netherlands
Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 6:09 PM CST
jampet wrote:
I'm taking that as you meaning..'who could help someone to die with dignity?' like i said- nothing i have ever done has allowe a death- they are dying anyway..and all the meds in the pumps are only releiving the symptoms of what they are suffering anyway.
usually in a syringe driver( the pump that gives a slow continuous lower dose of drugs to prevent the need for painful injections every so often)there are meds to relive pain, anxiety, too much saliva, psychosisnausea. yes- morphine and it's sister drugs can slow breathing, but it is all about symptom control, not euthanasia-enough pain relief is given to relieve pain, not hasten death-


pretty clear dearhug
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