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that's good- and i wholeheartedy respect that- as i do not take lives either- but for myself( and by that i mean , if I was in the situation that i was a possible candidate) I would choose euthenasia, if the need arose

I can have only admiration for nurses that work with the dying. I used to work in private nursing homes in England when Ilived there and helped with the process of keeping people comfortable in their last days/moments. It is not pleasant and I personally found it very hard to watch. My urges were always to give them a little more morphine or sxygen or painkillers. That is instinctive in humans I think. It's hard to watch animals in pain, never mind people. All I could do was make them comfortable and stayed with them because many had no relatives.

My mother died reently of cancer that she didn't know she had. The only good thing about it was that as soon as they told her, she just lay down and waited to die. They put her on a coctail morphine drip after an exploratory op and she was dead in 48 hours. I am glad it happened that way because it would have been too hard watching her linger for weeks or months.

I often wonder about myself. Painkillers don't work on me. (Brufen partially, but that's all). I found out when I had a kidney stone blasted last year. Nothing , not even the opiate coctails worked and I could hardly bear it. In the end they knocked me out completely with some anaesthetic mix, for a few days, to allow me to recover to a degree where I could stand the pain. I often think about dying of cancer and how the medical profession deal with that in my circumstances and whether euthenasia would have to be an option I would have to consider. Is there an option to induce coma when people are dying in those circumstances?

I am allergic to all antibiotics too except penicillin, which is no good for healing most things these days anyway.

Dignity has to do with the sick person's mindset, not the disease.

When I wrote my bachelor on neuroscience I based some of my conclusions on CT and MRI scans. One of my volunteer patients was a woman my age (22) that had had a brain tumour. She had it removed through surgery, but her condition was still severe: She drooled all the time, could only communicate by blinking and making animal-like noises, had to be fed through a tube, in a wheelchair, could only move one arm et cetera...

I made the huge mistake of feeling pity for her - she felt my sadness for her and got really upset. How dared I pity her? She was alive! She had dignity! She was somebody, and if I dared to think otherwise she would certainly tell me to get real or p... off.

I had a blast whenever she was around; she was the funniest woman I ever met. She made practical jokes on all of us and she loved her life. She made certain no one thought they were better than her and she loathed it when people pitied her in any way, because she didn’t feel bad for herself in any way.


Sometimes we have to consider whether or not a dignified life is based on our own assumptions or on the wishes and attitudes of the sick.

I think it's dangerous to think we can make decisions on behalf of others, especially when it comes to dignity, which is really more a state of mind than a physical trait.

Yep , the sad truth in the medical proffession

Sad truth of the frickin NHS

I assume it was your mother's own wish.

But the problem occurs when people feel they have to say yes to euthanasia in respect for their loved one's.
If they feel they are more trouble and pain if they fight and thus chooses death not for their own sake, but their relatives...

It's a dangerous path, I think.

That's all I really can say about it: I am very skeptic, I will not participate, but I do not rule out the good things either.

ginger- there are so many different types of drugs for reliveing pain/anxiety etc nowadays- maybe you are just not affected by opiates- there are others. i sooo hope you never have to find out, but be reassured that there are experts in pain management that will have you snoozing through till you are better

In the case of your mother- some people are ready to go- others want to hold on for as long as they can- and that's where i find it especially satisfying, that you can allow them to do this, by relieving pain, nausea, etc, so they can continue to function , to the best of their abilities, till there is no more time.
i am sorry for your loss

i see your pont- and would fully suppost anyone in that situation -but not everyone would like to live like that- and should they be forced to??

My mother had 5 ops for cancer about 28-25 years ago and without chemo or radiation after surgery she recovered completely. There is a history of hereditary cancer in her family, so it is always something that is in the back of this generation's minds. Like you said, I hope I never have to find out...... I have no fear of dying, but that kind of pain is not something I'd like to have to endure for want of something to releive it. I was diagnosed with shingles a couple of days ago and am finding that a bit hard right now. I told the family to stay away and am coping as best as I can. I'm glad there are other alternatives for the dying though. That's a comforting thought.

By the way I am with you and Claayer on your viewpoints concerning eutheansia. We would let dogs go through what we let humans go through. Beats me why it is ok for dogs and not for us.

No one should be forced to live in fear and pain , no !

I would why this thread is so 'Quiet' ...

Wonder* Duh!

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JMO . .. I think most people dont want to deal with death even on the computer

I think many people have a fear of facing their own mortality and avoid all talk of what might happen, or thoughts of what might happen to them. some prefer not to think of it at all.

Not a popular subject all in all.

I'm one of those people who would rather know than not know.

Hmm yeps maybe. I didn't think about that.

No. But should I as a doctor be forced to take a life?

And when being practical about it - how do you make a law about it? Should it cover depression and other mental diseases as well, which can be just as painful as any physical disability? What about the retarded, Down's syndrome etc.? How do you measure their life quality?

And people in a vegetary state that cannot answer for them selves? Some people DO wake up - most people don't. Who's supposed to make that decision - their legal guardian? Their child who will inherit everything, or perhaps the assigned lawyer?

And elderly people with dementia can they answer for themselves too?

The problem is NOT the ‘neat’ cases where people in pain and in their right mind decide to die.

The problem is all the other cases where it's not neat or easy. Who makes the call? Who takes responsibility if the decision was wrong? Where do we stop?

In the Netherlands a couple actually had a post-birth abortion done, because their child was born with multiple handicaps.
Post-birth abortion is an abortion done AFTER the child is actually born. It's child murder in my opinion and I’m usually pro free abortion. Who knows whether the kid would have grown into a state of mind like my bachelor patient and loved his life? We will never know, because he was euthanized - oh, I'm sorry he was “aborted”.
It was not the idea of the creators of the law, but the law did not prohibit such use.


You see where I'm getting at? It's so easy to corrupt the system and it so easily gets out of line – and death is not a reversible state.

Death is not neat or easy, and neither are most of the cases where it’s considered an alternative. How do we decide which cases are good for the use of euthanasia?