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The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike. - Delos B. McKown

And your evidence to back this up ??

"God was the creator and not created"

A believer states everything must have a creator but fail to say how he was created.

if you want a preaching thread ..thens there's nothing stoping you setting up a preaching thread ....but all you're going to get is people from all different religions preaching all the time ...if thats what you'll prefer ????

be intelligent without facts

pointed.

God, by definition, was not invented. Man is not capable of inventing, or creating, God. Now, people have invented a lot of stories about God, but those stories do not change the nature of God.
Some of will ask for evidence that God exists. I don't have any. But I also do not have any evidence that gravity exists. Gravity is simply a scientific theory which may explain a series of observed physical phenomena. But it makes sense to me so I believe it.
I believe in God because his existence explains a series of observed spiritual phenomena in my life.
Believe what you want.

Hmmmmm I dont know how true it is but this springs to mind

The world holds two classes of men - intelligent men without religion, and religious men without intelligence. - Abu’l-Ala al Ma’arri

that is the key that you do not understand




Are you telling me that the reason you believe in god is because it makes sense ??




To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains premature today. - Isaac Asimov

I understand! "Tell me what I want to hear and nothing else."

A person can never prove anything to anyone without the other ever hearing anything.

The proof of Gods being or not calls for one to study enough to understand a certain amount. This certain amount will begin to give you a position to watch things unfold in front of your own eyes.

But too remain unknowing is safer, while presuming themselves the wiser.

If someone writes ten lines you wish to hear.....no problem. If I write four short direct lines.......I'm preaching.

Then you are preaching a different belief. There by breaking your own rules.

I will remain out of your threads, it is only a forum for bashing others in some way.

No you don’t understand it’s “tell me what evidence you have to back up your statement instead of dodging the question”



All I heard was an excuse for not arguing your point



That is very true when applied to believers in religion



No if some one writes a line I will read that line and evaluate the content of said line before making a judgment




No it is a forum for debate if the fact that your argument can not stand up to the weight of the other argument and that makes you feel like you are being “bashed” then maybe it is time to revaluate your argument

I understand the theory very well. The fact remains that there is no proof that gravity exists. There is only a series of observed phenomena. No physicist to date has been able to prove that it exists or why it may exist.

Yes, the existence of God makes sense to me. It is the most rational explaination for a series of observed spiritual phenomena in my life. If you have not experienced God's power, or are still in denial about it, you have my sympathy.

You can call me all the names you want, but your saying so (even the esteemed Dr. Asimov saying so) does not make it so.

Your implication that people who believe in God are somehow less intelligent than you is rude and unfounded.

You need to read enough of the Bible with proper understanding. The sad part is that most Bible thumpers are as lost in understanding as a rock themselves.

If you make a sincere study of the Bible seeking only the truth....then you will find evendence to know the truth. First God must call you to want the truth...without it you will never understand anything.

To understand electronics as it applies to simple power supplies, you must learn a great deal to start. First your letters and numbers, how to add, subtract, divide...etc.....Mathmatics, algebra, electron theories, the functions of parts on the electron level......then you can begin to learn about power supplies. In Bible knowledge you are not even close to being able to start. You must want and must learn much before you can even start to PROVE GOD EXIST. I am not dogging it is true and you don't know it.


You can not read books with only the knowledge of reading muscal notes. This is the problem. I can show you nothing...but if you look you will find. But you must look much. There are resons why this is the way it is.....it is to protect those who would fail and die. The way it is they will not until they have the truth. Some will have the truth now and some later. this you can not understand until you understand the ressurections.

I can't show a blind man what color blue is.....it is the same.

bollox


most rational



agreed.

I see it more as a quest to understand, Mr Rilly Nice Guy - there are many, many questions for which religion doesnt give answers which are adequate to many enquiring minds. I for one, long ago left off making leaps of faith when I didnt understand something - there were simplt too many of them expected of me and the older I got the more I questioned...............

If you truly wish to understand by your own mind. Email me and I will give you places to get free litature. No one will bother you in any way or hit you up for money. Read and with sound logic only prove it wrong. if you have the mind for sound thinking you will find truth while trying to prove it wrong. With unsound thinking you can't understand. You will also need a KJ or NKJ and a Strong's concordance with dictionaries to match your Bible.

Gravity is a proven, replicable theory which stands to rigorous scrutiny and assets the provabilitiy of said theory time after time - the God theory on the other hand has many holes and points of contention.........

*asserts

Someone give that man a job or something to do.......

Genius! Brilliant!

There was a really good series on the BBC by Johnathan Miller where the issues of religion and social control were discussed - they are available on utube and I will post some later on. The following is a review of one of the hour long episodes;

Jonathan Miller points out that by the end of the 18th century, while skepticism of god and religion was gaining ground among the intellectuals and the elites, and was probably secretly quite widespread, the spread of atheism to the working classes was opposed (even by these enlightened people) because the elites feared that it would destroy the basis of their power. It was fine to discuss atheistic ideas around their dinner tables as long as the servants were not present. As James Mills said to his son, the philosopher John Stuart Mill, "There is no god but it's a family secret."

Religion has also consistently been used as a tool of oppression, from the colonization by Europe of Asia and Africa and South America, to its use during slavery. It was consistently used to divert the energies of the enslaved people away from organizing to fight for their rights and freedom and directed to accepting their lot as god's will and hoping for rewards in heaven. The idea that being rich and powerful is a sign of god's favor is a valuable tool to maintain that status quo.

A belief in the divine right of kings and nobility has always served as a powerful means of social control and a deterrent to democratic ideals, and this had been recognized for a long time. Aristotle (384-322 BCE) said, "A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of an evil treatment from a ruler they consider god fearing and pious. On the other hand they less easily move against him believing that he has the gods on his side." As Voltaire said, "As you know, the Inquisition is an admirable and wholly Christian invention to make the pope and the monks more powerful and turn a whole kingdom into hypocrites." Napoleon Bonaparte acknowledged the value of religion as a means of social control when he said "Religion is excellent stuff for keeping the common people quiet", echoing Seneca (circa 4 BCE-65 CE) who said: "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful."

The cynical view that advocates that religion should be fostered by political leaders even if they do not themselves believe in it, is an attitude still maintained by some Straussian neoconservatives today.

As long as atheism stayed within the rarefied world of the elites and intellectuals, it did not pose a danger to social order. It is only when atheist views threaten to spread to the general public that it is viewed with concern. What we see currently in America may be a replaying of this historical pattern. The recent success of books like The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins, Letter to a Christian Nation by Sam Harris, and God is Not Great by Christopher Hitchens and the resulting public discussions of atheism that they have provoked have caused a similar disquiet.