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Catholism, Mary and 'False Gods'..

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jlw45
chandler, Texas USA
Posted: Aug 11, 2008, 9:22 AM CST
Indyfella wrote:
Do not take Muhammad Ali's name in vain........
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stefonline
Dublin, Dublin Ireland
Posted: Aug 11, 2008, 9:25 AM CST
BnaturAl wrote:
I've been away a few days, never can tell, you may have been converted by these threads in the meantime..




Holy Mary Mother of God...................you think...........rolling on the floor laughing
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crotalus_p
Rush , Dublin Ireland
Posted: Aug 11, 2008, 9:28 AM CST
Conrad73 wrote:
Don't worry,your Head soon will Rotate a full 360!!!!!!!


Wow so thats what my are looks like rolling on the floor laughing
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gemery
Williams Lake, British Columbia Canada
Posted: Aug 11, 2008, 7:33 PM CST
StressFree wrote:
As did a lot of eastern philosophies/spiritualities....

Hippies were highly motivated to free themselves from societal restrictions/norms, choose their own way, and find new meaning in life free of the pretentious culture at the time. ...hippies were the followers who just got stoned or fried on acid all day without actually doing anything to change society...except for sexuality and fashion (free love)....where as the counter culture were the ones who were actually out protesting and leading the way with the civil rights movement.
The key is they stood up to the institutions and did something for change.and the hippie/counter culture legacy can be observed in today's culture in many ways... from health food, to music festivals, to contemporary sexual attitudes, and of course choosing a combined spiritual path (new age) that feels right for any individual in which there are no strict dogmas.

I just had to post this cause I was born in San Francisco and my parents were part of the counter culture movement and I do remember a lot of parties with hippies...I was just in Frisco 3 weeks ago, and it is still a very liberal city with various beliefs pertaining to spirituality, atheism, agnosticism and religions. Truly a free thinking city and the hippie legacy lives on there with much pride. I can talk to 20 different people there and get 20 different answers about spirituality, religion, and God/Gods or no Gods.....We should thank the counter culture movement as well as the hippies for changing society....got it!
Flower in my hair forever....


I agree. The surge in popularity though in Wicca came from the feminist movement when women left Christianity in droves from a masculine dominated religion to one that had a female goddess figure. Some went to far in my opinion and totally excluded the male elements of the religion such as the Dianic Order. But hey, that is their choice. The seeds of the feminist movement may or may not have been planted during the age of free thinking and revolution during the hippy years. But a new age spiritual path is not necessarily Wicca. And Wicca does in fact have a dogma or rules to abide by and is not just a " nilly willy do it however you want " religion. Far East religions had more impact on that generation with people like Ravi Shankar, Lobsang Rampa being common names amongst that community. Hari Krishna was quite common too and all this comes from India made popular by The Beatles and yes, there were parallel issues with paganism.

But I agree...a lot of good stuff came from that era, but being New Age doesn't make one Wiccan anymore than eating Chinese Food makes one Chinese. The Covenent Of The Goddess which is considered the main affiliation for Wiccans is in Berkley and is also the 5th largest religion in the US today.

Peace man...grin How I miss those days....if only I could remember them!

geo
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trish123
Lancashire, Lancashire, England UK
Posted: Aug 11, 2008, 8:14 PM CST
gemery wrote:
I agree. The surge in popularity though in Wicca came from the feminist movement when women left Christianity in droves from a masculine dominated religion to one that had a female goddess figure. Some went to far in my opinion and totally excluded the male elements of the religion such as the Dianic Order. But hey, that is their choice. The seeds of the feminist movement may or may not have been planted during the age of free thinking and revolution during the hippy years. But a new age spiritual path is not necessarily Wicca. And Wicca does in fact have a dogma or rules to abide by and is not just a " nilly willy do it however you want " religion. Far East religions had more impact on that generation with people like Ravi Shankar, Lobsang Rampa being common names amongst that community. Hari Krishna was quite common too and all this comes from India made popular by The Beatles and yes, there were parallel issues with paganism.

But I agree...a lot of good stuff came from that era, but being New Age doesn't make one Wiccan anymore than eating Chinese Food makes one Chinese. The Covenent Of The Goddess which is considered the main affiliation for Wiccans is in Berkley and is also the 5th largest religion in the US today.

Peace man... How I miss those days....if only I could remember them!

geo


Although I am a product of the era you refer to, Im no more feminist or new age nor any other category which you may choose to box me into for your own convenience - I did all the stuff we all did in those days though possibly did go a little overboard on the halucinogens cos they were so amazingly beautiful - I refuse to hide these aspects of my past and I totally refute the claims of 'millions of brain cells die' - we have brain cell die off from the simple act of eating, from self sustainance we encourage replication and the results are what any healthy person experiences on the loo most mornings.

Most of the propagnda relative to that era was designed to impart fear into the minds of the masses, which it evidently succeeded in achieving - but what was the knock back? There is always a knock back in this game of mis-information and this particular game, a serious game which was a reaction to the whole McArthyism ethos of blackening the name of all which didnt quite fit with the dream that they were peddling - the knock back was a dis-satisfied youth who were exploring alternative consciousness so what did they do about this one - they invented a new satan thats what they did, its name was HEROIN - despite all the protestations it actually played right into the game............. keep the discontented youth occupied, allow the natural die off which inevitably arises from the mis-use of opiates and not only is there a thriving black market which will falsely bolster the economy but the malcontents will also create the conditions of their own demise...........

The drugs wars are not a recent phenomena, nor is the power struggle we are witnessing with China - the British flooded China with Opium in the early 1800's and very effectively decimated the work force power of that country http://www.historywiz.com/downfall.htm

I makes me a bit sad and a lot pissed off when I hear people giving it large about stuff when they have no effing idea of the history............

ooops - almost forgot the other credentials which I feel qualify me to comment on these issues - apart from a basic ability to see things from both sides - I have achieved the CAB cert and a BA - grin
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gemery
Williams Lake, British Columbia Canada
Posted: Aug 11, 2008, 8:53 PM CST
trish123 wrote:
Although I am a product of the era you refer to, Im no more feminist or new age nor any other category which you may choose to box me into for your own convenience - I did all the stuff we all did in those days though possibly did go a little overboard on the halucinogens cos they were so amazingly beautiful - I refuse to hide these aspects of my past and I totally refute the claims of 'millions of brain cells die' - we have brain cell die off from the simple act of eating, from self sustainance we encourage replication and the results are what any healthy person experiences on the loo most mornings.


I never said you were a feminist or new age. Nor am I pointing the finger and trying to box you into any catagory for my convenience or anybody elses. The feminist movement brought about a surge in the religion that is all. Not all women were part of the feminist movement, not all women left Christianity. Even women I know who are Wiccan agree the surge came from the feminist movement.

Drugs...okay, I'll take your word for it. Not quite sure where I brought up the drug issues of the era.confused

geo
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Gaba1956
Slidell, Louisiana USA
Posted: Aug 16, 2008, 2:53 PM CST
Aries01 wrote:
As someone who was born into the Catholic Church and who as a child was required to partake in the various rituals and practices (Holy Communion, and Confirmation etc) it never ceases to amaze me how a whole body of people, an entire church spanning several continents could get it so wrong.. in fact it makes me deeply suspicious.. Mary (the mother of Jesus)is hardly mentioned in the Bible, in fact in a number of verses she is referred to as the mother of Jesus's brothers, and 'the other Mary'.... and yet she is worshippes as a God and has been worshipped as a God for centuries.... did nobody from the church or from its congregation ever think to question... Mary is important, in the way that the various Prophets were.. she is an annointed one, annointed for a very special and devine purpose, but as we do not pray to the prophets, neither should we pray to Mary...

Catholics... I urge you to actually READ the bible sometime..

Now don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with Catholics, in the sense that they are in the main, good people with a sincere intention to do what is right, its just that 'what is right' has been wrongly fed to them by a Church, which is at its core, misguided, with the intention to misguide...

Any comments?


I was raised Catholic. After coming to saving faith in Christ, I began to study the Word of God and saw that Mary is not our co-redeemer or co-mediator. I subsequently joined an Evangelical church where the reality of Christ is preached, taught, and proclaimed. Mary is to be honored, but not to be the object of our prayers or worship.
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crotalus_p
Rush , Dublin Ireland
Posted: Aug 17, 2008, 7:34 AM CST
What’s more likely a virgin birth / upset to the natural order or a Jewish minx told a lie ??
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BnaturAl
Sarnia, Ontario Canada
Posted: Aug 17, 2008, 7:53 AM CST
crotalus_p wrote:
What’s more likely a virgin birth / upset to the natural order or a Jewish minx told copied the same old lie ??



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crotalus_p
Rush , Dublin Ireland
Posted: Aug 17, 2008, 8:10 AM CST

BnaturAl wrote:
What’s more likely a virgin birth / upset to the natural order or a Jewish minx told copied the same old lie ??



In a time when the real explanation meant she would have been sentenced to death by stoning
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crotalus_p
Rush , Dublin Ireland
Posted: Aug 17, 2008, 8:11 AM CST
crotalus_p wrote:
In a time when the real explanation meant she would have been sentenced to death by stoning



I schould point out that that still happens today uh oh! uh oh! uh oh!
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BnaturAl
Sarnia, Ontario Canada
Posted: Aug 17, 2008, 8:12 AM CST
crotalus_p wrote:
In a time when the real explanation meant she would have been sentenced to death by stoning


we are still in a time when people are being stoned because of religion very mad
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crotalus_p
Rush , Dublin Ireland
Posted: Aug 17, 2008, 9:41 AM CST
From the GOOD BOOKrolling eyes


Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)


uh oh! uh oh! uh oh!
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BnaturAl
Sarnia, Ontario Canada
Posted: Aug 17, 2008, 9:46 AM CST
crotalus_p wrote:
From the GOOD BOOK Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)


I wonder what a job being a virgin authenticator is like. sticking out tongue they have to finger things out detective
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crotalus_p
Rush , Dublin Ireland
Posted: Aug 17, 2008, 10:54 AM CST
BnaturAl wrote:
I wonder what a job being a virgin authenticator is like. they have to finger things out
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that’s actually pretty accurate , if the hymen was not in tact you where not considered a virgin D'oh! D'oh! D'oh!
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grandavi
Arlington, Ohio USA
Posted: Oct 18, 2008, 10:12 PM CST
Galwayman2008 wrote:
Don't know that Mary is worshipped a a God, Aries, as you suggest. Certaijly thats not what I was reared to as a Catholic. The Council of Ephesus in 403 laid down the rule: "Let Mary be held in honour. Let the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost be adored, but let no one adore Mary".

Am I missing some piece catholic history here ?

GM




I am not Catholic, never have been. I can not describe if you are missing any history from a Catholic point of view.

I can share a non-catholic point of view to your comment;
Mary is revered as a 'goddess', her title given by some Catholics long time ago is "Queen of Heaven".
This title is the same title given to the Egyptian pagan goddess Isis, the Egyptians (from what I have read since I am not that old to have lived it) worshiped and prayed to Isis and had statues of her. It is the same type of statues the Catholic organization gave to Mary, it is exactly the same, just a different name.
There are actually a few different religions that have a 'queen of heaven' and the catholic organization has incorporated each one into their ways, religion, statues, but the main one is Isis.
Wiccans can verify this since it is one of the main goddess they worship.
Even some Catholics call Mary a goddess.

As far as idols or statues, the 10 commandments speaks against this, and that is the question why Catholicism and lately lots of so called Christian churches are doing the same, even Islam is having statues of this "Mother Mary"

Most catholic people does what the Pope does, and when he stands in front of a statue of Mary to kiss it or pray to it, that is considered worshiping a statue, no matter how anyone describes it.
If 1 (one) man can lead a mass of people to do false worship, what does that say about that 1(one) man?
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phoenix
paris, Ile-de-France France
Posted: Oct 20, 2008, 5:14 PM CST
Aries01 wrote:
As someone who was born into the Catholic Church and who as a child was required to partake in the various rituals and practices (Holy Communion, and Confirmation etc) it never ceases to amaze me how a whole body of people, an entire church spanning several continents could get it so wrong.. in fact it makes me deeply suspicious.. Mary (the mother of Jesus)is hardly mentioned in the Bible, Any comments?


Mary/woman loosely translated from hebrew texts and the meaning is more or less the same..she is mentioned about 100 times in the gospels...The Bible is a collection of 72 books. Most of which were written long before her birth.
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