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I forget what passage it is in but the celibacy thing is based solely on the one passage where a saint said that is best to be celibate like him but if you cant manage it you should get married

I forget what passage it is in but the celibacy thing is based solely on the one passage where a saint said that is best to be celibate like him but if you cant manage it you should get married

The thing I do not like about the Catholic Church is that I remember not beening able to go in the church if you did not wear a hat. Now it does not matter.

The mass is now in English and there was a rock and roll mass to try and get the teens back to church.

My dad still goes but he says it has changed so much he does not feel the same way about it as before.

Matthew, Mark and Luke are by all accounts similar summaries of Christ's life from his conception to his miracles teachings etc to his betrayal and crucifiction... so they all mention Mary in the conception part.. that is not denied.. she is also mentioned (not by name) in some of the earlier prophesied in the old testament.. she is identified by the fact of being a virgin and by her blood line, which is traced back to David (before incorrectly said Abraham)... that she bore Christ is not in dispute at all.. even the Quran acknowledges this and the ancient Hebrew text (I think).. just saying which is not in dispute in accordance with scripture at least... She is not to be worshipped or prayed to.. can't be clearer than that... that is the ONLY issue which I have based the op on.. but hey while I am at it I also have a problem with the Catholics 'passports for sale', incorrect obligation for celibacy, worship of saints, statues... etc.. My 'issues' are scriptural based.. As a Catholic I had no major issues with anything other than the fact that it was an empty religion.. went to a Catholic school the nuns were lovely, I have known some lovely priests and Catholic people in the main are good people.. the Church and its misguidance my only problem really... but clearly I have touched a nerve with you.. by all means.. go off to mass.. pray to mary and statues... and well knock yerself out.. I will continue to do my thing...

fasting is also highly valued and can be a really effective aid to prayer..

This is what I was recalling1 Corinthians 7:7-9

7I wish that all men were as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.

8Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. 9But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.I just did a quick topic search (on the website I mentioned before) it tossed up these Matthew 19:10-12; 1 Corinthians 7:1; 1 Corinthians 7:2; 1 Corinthians 7:7-9; 1 Corinthians 7:25; 1 Corinthians 7:26; 1 Corinthians 7:32-40; 1 Corinthians 9:5 (New International Version)

Hmmmmm we are going to differ on this point , Depending on the duration and severity of the fast any extra “Aid to prayer” can be accounted for by the bodies natural reaction to fasting and it's affect on the brain

If I was going to fast for the mental reaction (I am not suggesting you do) I would aim for a minimum of 3 days hopping for 4-7 days I used to fast every now and then just to test my will power I think I made it to 2 weeks once after the third day most of the hunger go away (this is the point where the body is seriously feeding off it’s self) when I say fast it was water only or coffee black with no sugar or sweetener

I wish I could do that... what I did wasn't a patch off that.. but it did work .... this stuff works!! .. anyway have to hit the hay.. can't believe I am still up..

anyway have to hit the hay.. can't believe I am still up..

the Holy Bible, which Catholics CLAIM(emphasis) to have built there bekiefs on tells us to have "no graven images"

Yet statues of every and any one they choose to call Saints are everywhereIt also states "there is one mediator between God and man, that person is Jesus Christ"....yet they had designated Mary as their mediator.

to the poster that made reference to the Romans whoring Christianity(my words) to apease the masses....this is why Mary is held in such high regard. The pagan religion of Rome had female dieties...Mariology was estrablished to appease them.While visiting Rome, I pissed off the tour guide when I made the comment that"...I have seen the Church of St John of Laterno...I have seen the church of St Mary Major...I have seen, even, The Church of the Holy Staircase ( a most holy shrine), Basillica of St Peter, St Paul Cathedral............But don't you think it would be nice if there was a church to Jesus Christ somewhere in Rome"

Always the smartass!!

ROMAN CATHOLICISM TEACHES


Omnipotence of Mary:
"I come to thee in my distress, O Blessed Mother, for thou art all powerful in heaven and on earth..." Our Lady's Book, Rev. Jas. J. Cashman, CM, ed., (Vincentian Foreign Mission Soc., St. Louis, 1942), p. 31 Imprimi Potest, Marshall F. Winne, CM; Nihil Obstat, Wm. M. Drumm; Imprimatur, Jas. P. Murray, May 20, 1949
"...thou, O Mary, art all-powerful..." Ibid, p. 14
"We need never fear to cast our cares upon Mary, all powerful Mother of God." Ibid, p. 7
"... by the ordinance of God, her power is without limit. All that He could give to Mary, He has given..." The Official Handbook of the Legion of Mary, by Concilium Legionis Mariae (1959), p 11 Nihil Obstat: Michael L. Dempsey, S.T.D., Imprimi Potest: Joannes Carolus, Archbishop of Dublin, March 25, 1953 [Note: A letter, posted in the foreword, from Pius XI to the Legion of Mary 16th Sept., 1933, states his approval thus: "We give a very special blessing to this beautiful and holy work...."]

"Virgin most powerful..."
Litany of the Blessed Virgin Mary, "The Reign of Jesus Through Mary," p. 248 Imprimi Potest: A Josselin, SMM; Nihil Obstat, John MA Fearns, STD; Imprimatur, Francis Cardinal Spellman, Archishop of NY, 6/24/49
Note: This litany was approved by Rome for 7 years indulgences, 1817; 1933.

You are well read, Aries, I'm impressed.

Which leaves just one other question - why does this subject bother you so much ?. I mean, fervent evangelical catholics are few on the ground these days in Ireland anyway - and those pushing a Holy Mary Mother of God agenda are even fewer.

Did you know that pre-Calvinist Protestantism, the Catholic Church had 'passports to heaven' that you could BUY... for a price... .. you couldn't make this stuff up.. that is why Calvin had to exile to Switzerland, as it was a safe haven politically for persons who were excommunicated from the Church.. his crime.. thinking the passport to heaven and the lack of spirituality in the Church was wrong..

Yes....sweet dreams...

and the next day wake up and USE YOUR BRAIN on something worthwile instead of this religious mid-tempo nuisance.

Did you know that pre-Calvinist Protestantism, the Catholic Church had 'passports to heaven' that you could BUY... for a price... .. you couldn't make this stuff up.. that is why Calvin had to exile to Switzerland, as it was a safe haven politically for persons who were excommunicated from the Church.. his crime.. thinking the passport to heaven and the lack of spirituality in the Church was wrong..

Anyway.. Mark 10 'from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female, for this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh, so that they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together let not man seperate'... plus most of the early apostles were married... marriage is one of the most important and sacred unions in the Bible because it is so important to the family, which in turn is so important to society as a whole... some chose celibacy... but it was certainly not a requirement..