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Yet so many will not listen..

Yep,Free Will,but saddled with a "Tendency" to do EVIL!!!

That is the Shabby Idea of Free Will by the Religionists.

God really works in mysterious ways... I read a book yesterday 'I dared to call him Father' Bilquis Sheikh... amazing story.. she didn't even go looking for God (Jesus) he came looking for her.... she was a high ranking Muslim, from a very privelaged background.... her family were all devout Muslims... she was practicing... not devout... until one day she came across a paragraph in the Quran relating to Jesus the prophet. something spurned her on so she read a little of an old Bible she had one of her servants get her which was in ancient Hebrew or Urdu or something so she could only understand bits... so she left it... soon after she had two incredible vivid dreams.. one where Jesus visits her house and has meals with her.. the other she was looking for Jesus.. and was brought to a mountain top where a man by the name of 'John the Baptist' pointed her the way... she had never even heard of John the Baptist... this story is from 60 years ago.... even reading a Bible would have brought about severe castigation... asking questions possible persecution... really extraordinary story!! have you read it?

Walk your Walk my Friend,don't let any Naysayers lead you off your chosen Path.
You know what works!

as long as you 'choose' god [or else!], its free will ... this contradicts your 'increased' clarity comment...

your experiment is somewhat mute Orla, I get all those things and more, from, how can I explain this, channelling alpha, beta and theta waves, working on chakra points, lucid and directed dreaming, meditating, and ethereal contact resolutions. Just to name a few.

I have also had 'body' experiences the same as you attribute to this supreme god, they are experenced biological responses to energy waves, instigated by thought. A very rational event. In fact I can create them in myself at will!!! I have the same 'touch' as the OP states and on a good day, at my choosing I can seriously influence someone in person, providing the intent of my influence is a good one. (a choice of my own sense of integrity)

As to other things I get from this, well I can alter the direction of biological responses in my body, I can reach people ethereally provided they are not closed off. And I am presently working on apoptosis. Ill let you know how that goes.

All without your god, or his holy spirit, because there isn't 'one' persay.

I chose. Your god doesn't use me or choose me, but I use energy, thats entirely FREE will, where I dont have to choose your god, or else.

sorry HJ .. been there done that, I'm a great listener .. got the T shirt ... the people who really are not listening are those satisfied with a god, that does little more than comfort. I have nothing against that, but there is so much more to life and the possibilites, not to mention the power and empowerment available to us humans that this god, pretends to own as his and his alone.

I chose god once, until I realized a far greater power, ironically supplied to me catholic nuns.

First off I did not read threw the whole thread so forgive me if I am repeating what some one else has said ,

Lets get the TV evangelists out of the way first , they are complete scum that pray on the weak and desperate, people like beni hinn use blatant group hypnosis , and the ones that look into the tv and say stuff like some one is getting healed are doing what is called fishing if you have enough people watching you are going to get a few people that are desperate enough to believe that they have been healed ,

Now as for other healer’s (not the charlatans but the ones that genuinely feel they are healing) it works on the same process as hypnosis if some one believes enough that something can cure/heal them then it is possible to cure or alleviates certain ailments but it will in no way cure some one of a serious disease like cancer or HIV, there are some cases of spontaneous recovery however these are no more common then they are in hospitals

start with looking up apoptosis ... after that I'll give you some other information that will change your mind on 'curative' results. Personally I think we are more able to cure ourselves than we are others, but anothers ability can be undeniable in cure. It is seldom the means that matter so much as the end result. As to serious desease ... most dis-ease is self induced and grows over time, and with enough time can be reversed by coming into 'ease'. Psora, among other things is curable in the dynamic body.

Just more abilities that relgion and gods have stolen from us, as if our fate is in their hands. Its not, it in our own hands, save the totally random events of life of course.

That was my point there is no such thing as hypnosis because all hypnosis is self hypnosis , there is an old saying in hypnosis “if some on comes to you believing that in order to help them you must hit them in the face with a dead fish then pour cold custard on there head , you had better have a bowl of custard on the table and a fish in your desk drawer" when it comes to the things that can be "healed" it all boils down to psychology

Have to say I really don't believe in healers, not even doctors in a lot of cases. I think its more about the beliefs of the person being healed. Sort of like the way voodoo works/worked in the islands. Belief is a powerful emotion.

I agree in a way, for me it all boils down to realising the power of energy, genes depend on it, whether they go awry of not, they are still using whatever enegry supplied.

Genes will also change their purpose as I have said before, from a stomach cell to say a bladder cell, whatever the body economy calls for.... and because of how we think sometimes they change into dis-ease cells (and sometimes because of what we ingest as well) How we think, affects dis-ease, its a short step to common sense in realising that the reverse is also possible. Its not an overnight thing, I'm not suggesting that miracles don't happen, but in most cases the time to heal disease is proportionate to the time it took to be diseased.

It really irks me that this stuff is left up to 'gods' FFS!!! I wish I had known all this stuff long ago, because I would be an entirley different person today, and imagine had the world not been coerced and trod on by power mongers using gods and denying useful knowledge of self empowerment, how much different this world would be, how less diseased it would be, how less subjugated and more proud it would be ...

its only mysterious because you allow him to hide behind a curtain, giving him the power to mesmerize you ... You cant prove he exists, you cant prove jesus or mithras or any of the 22 other ssviors existed, yet you toss you will into its hands of mystery? he's a fabricated magician who can do no more for mankind than man can do for himself.

Don't watch my hands or you'll see the rabbit and that will ruin the mystery..


I'll bet you don't even know the reason why the Roman wanted this so called person dead?

Healings are not real!

The body has natural abilitys to prevent, fight and eliminate illnesses. Some illneses such as aids or herpies you can not eliminate but like chicken pox you can deal with( when you get chicken pox you allways have it) . Faith healers tend to either prey on or simply help the natural abilitys. Hospitals however do not make any money if you are well.

i dont' agree the fact is i did this a few times to nonbeliever and it work if your mind is powerful enough not to believe then i can change your mind about it...as for healing outside wounds i've never done that my healings are internal i've never seen an outside wound heal by my touch..that i would like to see.....if your born with a gift it doesn't get turn off i find it's always on...i try avoiding touching people because i feel it working...i do have people who believe very respectable people to.....

It does not matter weather you agree or not we could argue this until the cows come home

On the contrary. Healings happen all the time. Whether people do this themselves, whether people hypnotise themselves or others supposedly do it, whether healers do it or whether they are the catalyst or facilitator..........People get healed. FACT.

So to say that this is not a reality is to talk nonsense.

Don't believe in religion myself ... I do believe in a pure higher power/energy which I choose to call God/Devine energy

When "God/s" are used as a means to harnessing that energy within & access "higher" pure resources of energy, I see that as a good thing ... I don't know all the scientific names but do it in a way that works for me ... and stays in the positive, purest intents ...

Great explanation about dis-ease/ease within the body

hmmm I do believe things like this happen and healers exist but its more of a concept of the past i believe. I would think its rather difficult in todays times to be able to maintain the kind of sanctity and purity of thought , mind and body for people to be able to develop or even maintain such powers or ability.

i'm not argueing with you i'm saying nonbeliever start to doubt themselves....i'm wondering if you think you would have someone claiming to have a special gift put there hands on you..if i do it you'll feel the difference if you don't call me a fake..i bet the real people that are fakes wouldn't say that...