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Not personally no , but you knew that when you made your attempt at being clever

All that have been put to the test have failed to live up to their promises them and any others that have been examined been exposed as charlatans , the rest use the same methods there is nothing supernatural about healers

so sorry....don't have to prove anything. I think you are a phoney. Nothing you can do will change that. End of discussion on my end

It was not an attempt at being clever, it was an obvious question that sprung from a statement of yours that made you sound like you had travelled the world investigating "the fraudulent healers" and thought may be you had first hand experience in exposing charlatans. On the other hand may be you are just a very rude arrogant young man Whichever way your vehemence and arrogance is yours to keep ...

Wherever you got your information from, obviously made quite an impression on you ...

Only works if you eat it!!! Just looking at it and debating about what it might taste like isn't really gonna show you what it trully tastes like!!

I dont know why you fel the need to be so "very rude and arrogant"




I have experence in this feild and know many people that also have exprence this feild, There is nothing any healer can do that can not be reproduced

Funny that, I felt you were the one being rude and arrogant. Also funny is that you haven't yet shared the source of your information.

Another thing that is funny is that I am a healer and know other healers and you can go on "proving (without proof) and reproducing" all you want ... It does not change the fact that some people carry a certain type of energy that helps facilitate and speed up the process of healing of their own and others bodies ... And by the way another type of healing is facilitated using sound vibrations, that one is called Symatics... No doubt you also have experience with that field ...

I have said nothing that has not been well documented and published in scientific journals if you would care to spend 60 seconds googling you would know that



you can go on "proving (without proof)






No there is nothing funny about it at all, you have conned yourself into the delusion that you have super powers which is an extremely dangerous delusion , many people have died because they went to people that claimed to be healers instead of doctors , at least with the charlatans a lot of them tend to know their limits






Here is the thing if you where a healer and could prove it you would be the first in history and would gain world wide recognition


I await your proof

Can you "heal" as good as vicodin? Cus otherwise.....

http://1stholistic.com/Prayer/hol_prayer_proof.htm

Perhaps you missed this when you googled....... Proof.....

Here is an excerpt......

Even more outrageous experiments in distance healing involve nonhuman subjects. In a survey of 131 controlled experiments on spiritual healing, it was found that prayed-for rye grass grew taller; prayed-for yeast resisted the toxic effects of cyanide; prayed-for test-tube bacteria grew faster. "I adore these experiments," says Larry Dossey, M.D., perhaps the world's most vocal expert on prayer and medicine. "Because they don't involve humans, you can run them with fanatical precision and you can run them hundreds of times. It's the best evidence of all that prayer can change the world. And it operates as strongly on the other side of the Earth as it does at the bedside."

In his 1994 book, Healing Words, Larry Dossey, M.D., co-chair of the Panel on Mind-Body Interventions of the Office of Alternative Medicine at the National Institutes of Health in Washington, D.C., reviewed over 100 experiments, most published in parapsychological literature ' on the effects of prayer/visualization. More than half showed an effect on everything from seed germination to wound healing.

In several experiments, volunteers visualized stimulating or retarding the growth of bacteria and fungi and achieved significantly positive results from as far as 15 miles away.
At the Mind Science Foundation in San Antonio, Texas, researchers took blood samples from 32 volunteers, isolated their red blood cells (RBCS) and placed the samples in a room on the other side of the building. Then the researchers placed the RBCs in a solution designed to swell and burst them, a process that can be measured extremely accurately. Next the researchers asked the volunteers to pray for the preservation of some of the RBCS. To help them visualize, the researchers projected color slides of healthy RBCS. The praying significantly slowed the swelling and bursting of the RBCS.
In another study at the Mind Science Foundation, volunteers in a room on one side of the building were asked to visualize volunteers in a room on the other side of the building becoming calmer or more agitated. Meanwhile, the "receivers" were hooked up to biofeedback-type equipment to gauge their reactions. The results showed that the "influencers" exerted a statistically significant effect on the receivers' moods.

Ginger, better brace yourself...it seems the answer is well digested

Very interesting material, I remember reading about it once, thanx for the reminder!

You might want to try and find a credible source next time , alarm bells should of gone of given the website you took it from

http://www.randi.org/jr/072304willful.html

FAITH-BASED FRAUD

There is a strange doctor, Lawrence Dossey, MD, who has promoted belief in the effect of prayer on illness — a bizarre notion for a medical doctor — for years now. He has been the poster boy for the woo-woo folks who like to think that begging a deity will result in a cure. Here you see him in earnest discussion with parapsychologist Dr. Charles Tart, who not only believes in the same notion, but in a very large spectrum of others, as well, from Remote Viewing to Out-of-Body matters. Oh, to be the proverbial fly on the wall with these two…!

Dr. Bruce Flamm, mentioned here two weeks ago, has worked hard and long to show that the recent Columbia University-sponsored study of healing-by-prayer was a farce and a deception, and he now tells us that Dossey has enthusiastically embraced this study as definitive proof of his notion:


You may recall that faith healing guru Dr. Larry Dossey used the hopelessly flawed Columbia "miracle" study to demonstrate the "scientific validity" of faith healing. He did this in Southern California Physician, which is the official magazine of the Los Angeles County Medical Association, the Orange County Medical Association, and several other medical associations. Specifically, Dossey said,

Controlled clinical trials and the peer-review process continue to serve us well. The most recent example of this process in action in the area of intercessory prayer is from Columbia Medical School — a positive, controlled clinical trail published in the respected, peer-reviewed Journal of Reproductive Medicine.

After many phone calls and letters Southern California Physician today informed me that they will publish my letter about the Columbia "miracle" study scandal in the August Issue. This letter ends with the statement,

All physicians should be keenly aware of the fact that no legitimate study has ever confirmed the existence of any paranormal or supernatural phenomena. Dr. Dossey cannot seem to accept this simple fact.
This is a remarkable statement from a professional academic journal. Choosing to eschew the usual "respectable" process of ignoring solid, legitimate, evidence that a published finding has been found to lack merit — and has even been found to be fraudulent — SCP has dared to extend its corporate neck, which may suffer a few nicks from the establishment as a result. I await the August issue with great interest. A doff of my hat and a bow to SCP!

As for Dossey's confident statement that "controlled clinical trials and the peer-review process continue to serve us well," I'm unable to find any such independently-arrived-at support of this claptrap. Dossey is simply wrong; if he were not, a major scientific paradigm-shift would have been in place by now. And please spare me the CIA/oil companies/atheists/Satanists/skeptics/communist/international conspiracy theories to explain why such a major breakthrough has been so effectively suppressed.

you know, I really don't like this guy. And I am really offended by his smugness and haughty attitude. And I obviously don't agree with much he has to say.BUT. He appears to be able to present his side of an argument(he never discusses, he argues) more intelligently than most. he appears to research his answers better than most. So although, I don't particularly like him...I admire the fact he backs up his beliefs rather convincingly

I ship



ar·gu·ment
–noun 1. an oral disagreement; verbal opposition; contention; altercation: a violent argument.
2. a discussion involving differing points of view; debate: They were deeply involved in an argument about inflation.

I know very well what an argument is....you just proved my point about your smugness.

Ok C. Like everything on here, you can find what you want if you want it. Like everything else in life it's all opinion. Not even your word or opinion against mine but citing someone elses opinions against others.

Now explain miracles......the documented kinds........

No I can only find what is there and judge it by it's merit





Here is the difference I cited some one that is a credible source , you did the exact opposite , My source likes to base his beliefs things on facts yours likes to fabricate facts to suite his beliefs





Show me one that has been confirmed and documented by a credible source to be a true super natural miracle

(by the way you might want to get ready for the swarm of media as it would make you the first person to be able to do so)

Excuse me crotalus, but you don't know me and you don't know what I have or haven't conned myself into. I leave the delusion of "super powers and super knowledge" to those who quote examples from other people's writings/experiments and have not yet spoken a single word that stems from experience ...

Let's go with your theory that I am deluded for an instant ... Now, you'll have to take my word for this and I understand that you will have a hard time with taking my word since I have not been the subject of any scientific experiment and my name has not been published in any article to date be it positive or negative ... Soooooooooooooooo I am deluded and I have many times brought people into my delusion in a way that made them truly believe that the pain had disappeared after I layed my hands on them. Take for instance my colleague who had an abcess around one of her teeth and had taken already many pain killers and 2 lots of antibiotic to reduce the swelling. The dentist was waiting for the abcess to heal in order to extract the tooth. She was in such pain she could hardly think straight. She did not believe in healing and thought it was a lot of nonsense but did not know what else to do. I offered to help and she accepted. I layed my hands on her jaw. By the time I took my hands away the pain had totally disappeared and the swelling of the abcess had gone down. The pain did not ever return and to this day the tooth has not given her any more trouble so she did not need to have it extracted. If you and others want to slot that into the dangerous delusion folder, feel free. My colleague was simply glad not be in pain any longer and also glad not to be downing any more painkillers or ever stronger anti-biotics, not to mention the non-extraction of the tooth .

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I agree that delusions can be dangerous for self and others. In healing like in classic medicine there are ethics and rules of conduct. A non-delusional healer (I know for you that's a contadiction in terms) will NOT EVER promise total cure of ANYTHING, least of all illnesses like cancer. The first question that should pass a healers lips is "Have you seen a doctor?" If not advise that one be seen because removing a chronic pain from someone's body to remove discomfort could mean a serious developing condition remains undiscovered. This also applies to expectant mothers or mothers who have just given birth, removing pain or discomfort could mean that something very important for the welfare of mother and/or baby goes undiscovered. That in itself is, I would say, more ethical in itself than some conventional doctors do themselves when they initially treat patient's symptoms without looking for their cause.

I have also often advised people who have sought my help to seek a good counsellor because I felt their chronic condition stemmed from emotional trauma and just removing the physical symptoms wouldn't deal with the root cause of them.

Very often, healers are sought when conventional medicine has failed to sooth/heal. There are plenty of desperate people seeking alternative answers to their plight where I live at the moment, and I could be making a lot of money by preying on their needs and desperation. But then that would prevent me from feeling at peace with myself. May be my so called delusion doesn't feed on ego and materialism. Whatever the case, I try to take responsibility for what I do by using ethics and being aware that I can only talk from the experiences and feedback I have had so far (which remain undocumented).

I am very aware that "official research" is paid for and "supervised" by governments whose coffers (via pharmaceutical corporations) would be far emptier if it was "discovered" that people don't need to be popping pills. But this is another debate all together.

I have read your posts so yes I do





To whom is that directed ?? As I have already stated I have experience in this field



I have no doubt that you have but you fail to understand that it works based on psychology





If she truly did not believe she would not of let you help