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crot... I agree that no one, not even Maggie, brought as much desolation and took as many lives as Adolf Hitler.

I want to ask everyone to voice your opinions, but please refrain from arguing. Each one here believes as he or she will believe. We do not need to try to convince one another that what we believe is the correct way of belief. There is no right or wrong answer here. Please stick to the topic. We are trying to consider the emotions of those who have to face this Hitler figure being in Berlin. How can we learn the effect it has if people are fighting over facts which are not the issue of this thread? I do not want to frighten anyone from posting their true feelings. Feel free to continue your arguments by email or start another thread on the topic.

Thanks so much, HL

Crotalus strikes again!!!

<<<<<<<<<<<< Gently reminds Crotalus that sometimes he himself makes statements that he does not back up with any more substantial "evidence" than "because I Know/say so" or words to that effect ...

Would it hurt you terribly to sometimes just let go of an argument graciously? Can you not "get" from Phoenix's posts that he has experienced stuff that makes him feel the way he expressed? Right or wrong is not the issue here ... The issue is the insentive way in which you are handling your argument with him ... I know you are more of a man than that

We all agree that Hitler has his place in history.... rightly or wrongly we shouldn't forget what the f*cker did... lets hope his kind stay in the past..(doubt it though)

Could be worse Victoria Becham could be in the wax works for years to come....... now that scares me

phoenix, you have made some good points in your postings here.

I do want to ask you to please refrain from attacking other posters and making rude remarks. I do not want this thread locked.

I will not tollerate this behavior here, out of respect for all the others who are reading, please accept my apology for this behavior!

Sorry H/L read your last post after posting my last

Is the statue of Hiter at the museum exalting him or portraying him as an historical figure? Of course he shouldn't be exalted but there is great danger in his being forgotten. Most of the generation who lived through that period as adults are dead and I think much of the pain is numbed since then. My grandparents' families were all killed in the Holocaust-all 4 of their families so this is not something long ago and far away for me. If the statue makes people uncomfortable, all the better.

Guess he is true to his Name,CROTALUS.(Crotalidae)

I am with you on this one Conrad! Trying to get things under control and back on topic. I have been moving everything out of the deep freezer into the other 2 freezers and just now trying to catch up here.

Exactly! Thanks Riya for your BALANCED opinion!!!!


How've you been? Love YOU!

Once again I find mysdelf reading healthy living's rants til i can't stand it anymore. The inaccuracies and conclusions are so out of step with reality. First, Hitler was NOTchosen by a party and was the instrument of behind the scenes "handlers". Hitler WAS the party. Obviously healthy you have no idea about a book called "Mein Kampf" written by Hitler while incarcerated in Landsberg Prison in Southern Germany. Hitler created the National Socialist Party, chose his followers, developed the plan to take over the existing German government (we'll omit the reasons and social pressures Hitler felt at the time). He pressured the existing Weimar Republic leaders, threatened them, killed dissenters within his own party to include his "inner circle" and ,in short , "bought" the election that carried him into power. Not the work of a moron but a conniving, midguided and mentally unbalanced zealot. He was finally brought to a fiery grave near the very parliament building he so cleverly took over by a world effort. Germany was again free. The rest is history. Yes, his influence remains in Germany today in the form of the "skinheads" and if you've ever seen how the German police react to them you'll retract your statement that this group is strong enough to make serious challenges to the German nation of today or any nation for that matter. As you can see healthy from the responses the majority of your critics here in this thread reside in Europe and its environs. Their forebearers bore the brunt of the Hitler massacres and it's to them that I look for solutions. I lived in Europe for 13 years, have very close contacts with many Germans today (some are "family")and am the great grandson of a German family forced from Germany by the eforts of Bismarck as he "rearranged" Germany to build an Empire. My grandfather called him a "benevolent dictator" but his father called him something quite different. so healthy unless you are actually on the field playing the game, to put this in athletic context, kindly remain quietly in your seat and let those players affected by the game's outcome make the decisions.

Yeah, but the thread is more objective: should it be there or not.

Hitler "TOOK" over the Party,like he took over everything else!

Excuse me, but I am not ranting at all. I have a copy of mein kampf and have read most of it. I have done indepth study of Hitler. He was envolved way before he wrote mein kampf. Perhaps you should expand your research concerning his life way before that time in history.

Furthermore, I do not need you to come to my thread and tell me to remain quietly in my seat. My family was envolved too as I stated at the begining of the thread. There are no decisions to be made here and no reason for anyone attacking anyone here. I want to know the feelings of those who are effected by the wax figure of Hitler in Berlin.

Healthy Living...This is a free forum sponsored by CS.. You don't own anything here least of all the thoughts and expressions of anyone who posts here. You bring up a thread about the impact of a chunk of wax that represents, arguably, the most despicable subhuman ever born on this planet and you expect everyone who reads your rant to be nice about it. What do you want all of us to do?..submit our posts prior to publication for your approval. I think NOT. No, healthy, you don't try to orchestrate this thread or any thread here on CS as a third grade teacher manages a group of 8 year old students. You post it, you live with the responses and as the old saying goes, "if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen".

I think I said in less words...he was nuts and acted on his own....

Hi everyone...

Excuse me but I'm phoenix and I've been hanging around for a week or three..

I know this thread is very serious... but HL can you please allow me to look for fit, nubile volley ball players on your thread..


phoenix..

Mods I'm , just after watchin' the Olympics I had a vision


BACK TO THREAD.....

My opinion on this subject is the same (omitting emotions towards O.Poster).


I wouldn't want to visit that place. How having wax figure of this maniac around would help to remember?

F.uck him.

I understand the rules and purpose of posting here on CS.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
You are free to say as you like concerning the wax figure and how you feel about it.
But you also disrespected ME personally and I do not care for your attack!

Rule #3. Let's keep the threads positive. If you don't like what someone is saying in a thread, stay out of the thread.