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hollandgirl: How is it possible that of all the millions of people living in the US they came up with these two candidates in the end?

Sparky55: It may be more appropriate and easier to understand if you would begin your posts with "Once upon a time"

Seriously, you're right. There were warnings, plenty of them and believe it or not they came from Reps and were shot down by the dems. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac specifically. But once again, you fail to see that because you don't want to see it and it doesn't fit into your Obama agenda. Never would you consider much less admit that McCain was one actually bringing this to light and figting to correct it before it got to this point.

No Dude, I think the dems are pushing this so hard because they have figured out the public isn't as dumb as they thought they were. They know that if this thing goes on too long the public will see what happened and realize the extent of the utter stupidity and partisan politics which helped this crisis to where it is now. Politics, stupidity, greed and more stupidity caused this crap dude and as much as you wish it, you can't lay the blame on the Bushneys.

Hot_Single_Dude: So typichal Repube of you to attack community organisers who make a great job helping the poor and the less fortuned America Indyfella......... But what can I say? listening to that Mafia dude Giuliani,s way of bashing on community organisers lately leaves no doubt about the amount of ignorence these guys contain!And now the mess George W Bush together with his gathering of the most irrisponsible administration Ever in american history have made, is Obama,s "Fault"

Oh my...... Sure it is blacks fault and it is immigrants fault and it is Obamas fault.... there have not been a stupied greedy president who to gether with men like McCain planned an illegal occupation of a country because they "thought" Arabs would just exchanging Hard Rock Cafee,s with their Oil .......so americans could easily and cheaply keep drinving on Humwee,s getting a hot one on Star box and just allowing the engine run ! Arabs they did not know what Oil is repubes "thought" ...... Repubes thought for sure that it was still around a hundred years ago when english went to the middle east and offered the regims in the area to remove that "Dirtyh Black Stuff" for free

Keep talking Acorn and stuff Indyfella..... the stupied Iraq war and the Stupied way of your current president,s war on terror ......made american economy destroy. Even this bad ass Osama had not been able doing this..... and now Geroge W and his guys made his Wishes becoming true .... Treason thats what this current presidnet of yours should be triled for!

Hot_Single_Dude: So typichal Repube of you to attack community organisers who make a great job helping the poor and the less fortuned America Indyfella......... But what can I say? listening to that Mafia dude Giuliani,s way of bashing on community organisers lately leaves no doubt about the amount of ignorence these guys contain!And now the mess George W Bush together with his gathering of the most irrisponsible administration Ever in american history have made, is Obama,s "Fault"

Oh my...... Sure it is blacks fault and it is immigrants fault and it is Obamas fault.... there have not been a stupied greedy president who to gether with men like McCain planned an illegal occupation of a country because they "thought" Arabs would just exchanging Hard Rock Cafee,s with their Oil .......so americans could easily and cheaply keep drinving on Humwee,s getting a hot one on Star box and just allowing the engine run ! Arabs they did not know what Oil is repubes "thought" ...... Repubes thought for sure that it was still around a hundred years ago when english went to the middle east and offered the regims in the area to remove that "Dirtyh Black Stuff" for free

Keep talking Acorn and stuff Indyfella..... the stupied Iraq war and the Stupied way of your current president,s war on terror ......made american economy destroy. Even this bad ass Osama had not been able doing this..... and now Geroge W and his guys made his Wishes becoming true .... Treason thats what this current presidnet of yours should be triled for!

Hot_Single_Dude: part two......

It's a story of unintended consequences. It's also a story of power politics and media manipulation that's very un-McCain-like -- if you believe his national media hagiography.

But both of Cindy McCain's staged, teary drug-addiction confessions have been vintage John McCain. His MO is this: Get the story out -- even if it's a negative story. Get it out first, with the spin you want, with the details you want and without the details you don't want.

McCain did it with the Keating Five, and with the story of the failure of his first marriage (Cindy is his second wife). So what you recall after the humble, honest interview, is not that McCain did favors for savings and loan failure Charlie Keating, or that he cheated on his wife, but instead what an upfront, righteous guy he is.

Candor is the McCain trademark, but what the journalists who slobber over the senator fail to realize is that the candor is premeditated and polished. John McCain shoots from the hip -- but only after carefully rehearsing the battle plan, to be sure he won't get shot himself.

This is the story of a time that strategy backfired, and yet the McCain machine still managed to contain the damage.

In the early 1990s, Tom Gosinski was the director of government and international affairs for the American Voluntary Medical Team, which did relief and medical volunteer work in third world countries.

Hired by Cindy McCain in 1991, Gosinski enjoyed his job, but he began to notice McCain's erratic behavior in the summer of 1992. In his journal, he wrote that he and others suspected the boss was addicted to painkillers and might have been stealing them from the organization.

From Gosinski's journal, July 27, 1992:I have always wondered why John McCain has done nothing to fix the problem. He must either not see that a problem exists or ... not choose to do anything about it. It would seem that it would be in everyone's best interest to come to terms with the situation. And do whatever is necessary to fix it. There is so much at risk: The welfare of the children; John's political career; the integrity of Hensley & Company [Cindy's parents' business]; the welfare of Jim and Smitty Hensley [Cindy's parents]; and the health and happiness of Cindy McCain.

The aforementioned matters are of great concern to those directly involved but my main concern is the ability of AVMT to survive a major shake-up. If the DEA were to ever conduct an audit of AVMT's inventory, I am afraid of what the results might be ... It is because of [Cindy McCain's] willingness to jeopardize the credibility of those who work for her that I truly worry.

During my short tenure at AVMT I have been surrounded by what on the surface appears to be the ultimate all-American family. In reality, I am working for a very sad, lonely woman whose marriage of convenience to a U.S. Senator has driven her to: distance herself from friends; cover feelings of despair with drugs; and replace lonely moments with self-indulgences.countinues..........

Hot_Single_Dude: Fortunatily George W.Bush is going to move from America soon and he will not be able invading other countries ever again.

Hot_Single_Dude: And still TT...... Very Very sad for you...... the one and only way out of "out of control" and Wild Wild West styled economy Bushney styled catastrophies is, a kind of adjusting the sitation as socialists do. When there is a governement elected by people then this government have to stop too much expending and too many speculations and fraud money lenders and stuff like that which numbers exploded as never before during these Bushney,s who desperately needed peoples ignorence by keeping them preoccupied by lies about Every home will keep raising and then they can just take one loan after the other..... So Americans could forget every thing about the blood shed happened in Iraq and in other countries as well!

As told before I guess some Bushney,s really need to go to Europe and Canada and learn about economy, so they can learn about how a fabulous mix between capitalism and socialism is the best way of running a country!

Any single time american economy is allowed to go wild with no controls and just after the Marked totaly ..... things getting stupied over there. It is time to Learn you see TT? The sytem just collapsed..... is that system still the aviable system any way?

The golden middle way...... No capitalism no socliasm but a perfect mix of both is the best for America as it is for any other countries as well!

Indyfella: But maybe his final hurrah will be to lob one over Copenhagen.

Indyfella: If this banking crisis is truly a crisis, why isn't The Great One in Washington fixing the problem. He could show his uniting skills.

Hot_Single_Dude: This is what I call good journalism. honest and with out being afriad of telling the truth:

____________________________

How Cindy McCain was outed for drug addiction

When an attempt to get tough with a whistleblower backfired in 1994, the McCain spin machine went into overdrive, and the candidate's wife confessed to problems the media was already poised to reveal.

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By Amy Silverman

GOP presidential candidate John McCain's wife Cindy took to

It was a brave and obviously painful thing to do.

It was also vintage McCain media manipulation.I had d?j? vu watching Cindy McCain on television, perky in a purple suit w clean to the world about her addiction to prescription painkillers.

I believe she wore red that day. She granted semi-exclusive interviews to one TV station and three daily newspaper American Voluntary Medical Team, her own charity, and had been investigated by the Drug Enforcement Administration.

The local press cooed over her hard-luck story. One of the four journalists spoon-fed the story -- Doug McEachern, then a reporter for Tribune Newspapers, now a columnist with the Arizona Republic (and, it must be added, normally much more acerbic) -- wrote this rather typical lead:

"She was blonde and beautiful. A rich man's daughter who became a politically powerful man's wife. She had it all, including an insidious addiction to drugs that sapped the beauty from her life like a spider on a butterfly."

What McEachern and the others didn't know was that, far from being a simple, honest admission designed to clear her conscience and help other addicts, Cindy McCain's storytelling had been orchestrated by Jay Smith, then John McCain's Washington campaign media advisor. And it was intended to divert attention from a different story, a story that was getting quite messy.

I know, because I had been working on that story for months at Phoenix New Times. I had finally tracked down the public records that confirmed Cindy McCain's addiction and much more, and the McCains knew I was about to get them. Cindy's tale was released on the day the records were made public.

But the story I was pursuing was not so much about Cindy McCain's unfortunate addiction. It was much more about her efforts to keep that story from coming to light, and the possible manipulation of the criminal justice system by her husband and his cohorts. The irony is that Cindy's secret would have stayed secret if John McCain's heavy-hitting lawyer, John Dowd (of D.C.'s Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer & Feld; his most recent claim to fame was serving as co-counsel for fellow partner Vernon Jordan during impeachment) hadn't heavy-handedly pulled out all the stops to protect the McCain family.

Dowd tried to get back at the man on Cindy McCain's staff, Tom Gosinski, who had blown the whistle on her drug pilfering to the DEA. But in the course of trying to get local law enforcement officials to investigate Gosinski -- Dowd and the McCains considered him an extortionist; others might call him a whistleblower -- Dowd set in motion a process that would eventually bring the whole sordid story to light. When that maneuver backfired, the McCain media machine went into overdrive to spin the story.

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WhatUwish4: "If you need me, I'll be there..." (and in the meantime I'm not about to put my campaign on hold because it's all about ME!!!!!!

WhatUwish4: That's almost exactly what he said. Nauseating.

Indyfella: OMG... I just heard that Biden took on sniper fire when he was in IRAQ. Now this is starting to sound familiar (like hillary).

Hot_Single_Dude: The ones mostly responsible in this mass is the current administration in the White House and their Stupied war in Iraq and the rest of their way of fighting agaisnt terror Sparkey. Such thing would never ever happen if the current american government was not on power at all! Have you already forgot how massively the same Bushney,s encouredged americans to take a loan buying a house and making a loan on their houses and making a party out of the whole thing and told american people not to be worried at all because things will be all right and the prices will keep rising and rising?

Have you really forgot those days not so long time ago?

Placing responsibility on the main guilties in this huge mass is the first step toward better days in America .....

Before you actually have found the "Killer", you can Never expect the family of the Victum to feel eased you see?

No way these Bushney,s must ever think americans already have forgot how they were deceived to use money as crazy and how they removed one regulation after the other after George W Bush became president in 2001!

Sure now all have to work together to solve this shit but still... there is one single very important reason America stands as it stands today unfortunatily...... and that is the out come of election 2000 and 2004 and the horrible results which acted as a huge Earthquake shaked the whole planet rapidley as nothing else after ending of the second world war!

What would really be a great soloution would be like alowing these fraud companies going to Hell and not helping them form government side, and allowing the american home owners who are in deep shit because of this, not pay any morgages for a periode of a year or until the economichal tsunami of the Bushniey,s eases again.

Even if all americans received a million doller Each the solvation would be cheaper and more effective any way!

Hot_Single_Dude: If George W Bush has done One single thing in his entie life........

It was help revealing Joh McCain for the rest of us not too many years ago.......

I am hot_single_dude........ and I certainly Endorse the content of this link with all I have got

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2000-02-17/news/haunted-by-spirits/1Never say...... "I DID NOT KNOW! OTHER WISE I WOULD NEVER VOTE MCCAIN"!!!!!!!!!

Read the god damn stuff which is Easy to find and Learn some thing for god sake!