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Comes natural...I'm just one of those people that others love to hate

All I can say is... I Hate Haters.
oh crap... would that mean I Hate myself??

Many animals have attacked and killed people............so we should wipe those species off of the face of the Planet!!

But I must say also, I am glad that our Government didn't attack ALL Muslim Countries after 9/11.

Well why does it have to boil down to people on this thread....the protest in question was in the U.S...that I posted...the one Chrerokee posted was in London...which has more to do with the rest of the world than the one I posted...which had to do specifically the U.S. itself....and guess what...I am not fighting...and it's ridiculous to think I am or attacking anyone by posting facts and trying to level the playing field...just because I don't agree with racism and hatred which yes comes in many forms....and I don't...I never said I agreed with those signs...I was merely pointing out how Freedom of Speech works...and how it seems to be ok to call it that...when it's hatred against any group that people might not agree with...the protest I showed you about an Arab/Muslim dummie being strung up...was I am sure done in the name of Freedom of Speech....that's all I was saying is that it works both ways...it's constitutionally entrenched to represent everybody in the U.S....not just those who agree....Yes those signs were hatred...but morally that makes them wrong...and if there were hate laws in place...then I am sure there were charges laid...just not during the demonstration....but also what I was pointing out...by the demonstration I posted is that there also..protests which are just as threatening to Muslims....and they should be handled the same....

Well that's exactly the way I see it....and no I don't agree with organized religion of any kind...but you can't look at one and not the other side of the coin either....I like a well balanced debate...not just a one-sided one....and I think they are all mixed in together....

Yes, we were made aware of it many times,
But if it were to be on our news constantly, it would be the only news we would get to hear because it is a never ending hate they (extremist)have for us. this hate and the hate rallies go on non stop.

Do you not recall the images on tv of them burning our flags,

But you must also draw on the images we were shown of the Muslims that were upset by the extremist actions.
the ones that explained that the Muslim faith is Not as the extremist have made it.

It's funny seeing as how I've discussed this with Americans before, and they say "it could never happen here".


IT IS HAPPENING!!!


Religious fruitcakes are all the same, they're fruitcakes!!! Makes no difference what brand of religion they're peddling.


Hi Shelley


Hi MF

Exactly....Extremism is extremism....no matter which way you slice it..and is normally only representative of a small group or small groups of people....whether it be Muslim...Christian.....Protestant....or whomever....it's never representative of the whole group which always has fundamentally different principles and beliefs!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well that's exactly the way I see it..but because it's not some other group...like Muslims...I guess it deserves no attention...I dunno...it's not my country...I just thought it was interesting reading...when the subject Muslims threatening freedom was brought up.....and if they want to be taken over by the Christian Right...who is organizing to do so...then so be it....that's none of my gosh darn business....Hi kid....

I'm worried if the fruitcakes take over completely, we'll get attacked next.

That "free" health care is a huge threat to corporate America. So is government insurance.


God needs that money!

seriously its makin me nuts

can we do a quick poll?

who was or not aware of that london demonstration?

i mean it was on all news for a number of days was it not?

it was about the cartoon right??


gaaaaaaaaa

surely i didnt dream it and sparky said he saw it as a news item

I guess we better check out our own government and see whose infiltrating it then....They have a bad case of the stupids whoever they are....and I cant believe Harper got re-elected again....Well we have already been attacked and had dealings with the religious right here...remember they tried to attend that one soldiers funeral to spew hatred all over the place...got thrown outta the country and then snuck back in...but thought better of attending when they heard they would meet such a large opposition.....

Yes, I'm in the military and I've spent a lot of time in countries where there have been large populations of Muslims. The time spent in those countries lwas a great opportunity despite the circumstance and left me with a pretty good impression of the majority of the Muslims I met.

That was nice but not the most important thing. I believe the most important thing is that we cannot and should not discriminate, profile, highlight or anything else against an entire group based on where they're from, what their religeon is or the color of their skin. This is one of our country's basic values and we've all seen what has happened in the past when we treated others unfairly. The fact that these guys got into America and did what they did is horrible but we're not going to change the possibility of that happening again by fearing all Muslims.

Anyway, I'm tired and need some sleep. Enjoy the night.

Well said sparky and I agree 100%....hatred can't and shouldn't be justified regardless of the face it wears because there is no justification for vilifying and hating and entire group period...

Thanks Hugs...

No need to thank me.

BTW..... I am scared to death of bald guys wit a mustache!!!

Who was lumping anybody into anything...unless you are a member of the Christian Right or support it's principles and agenda then I wasn't even talking to or about you...If you care to read what I posted about them before commenting...then maybe you would know what I meant...Maybe it's too hard a concept for you to believe that your own fundamentalists exist and are the threat to your own country....Anyway if you want to group and lump..like you have done and continue to do...then I guess maybe you are a member of the Christian Right...just by being a Christian...isn't that your way of thinking???

So where's the Christian left....I think it's appropriate to go after them too.

Not sure I agree with that.

It seems to me that many Muslim extremists are the only
ones openly advocating the eradication of all 'Kafir's'
or infidels. I know they are in a minority, but this kind
of rhetoric can be heard all too often, and I might add
by an increasing number of young Muslims, in the Uk
at least.
In fairness, the Muslim community in the UK are trying
to suppress these outbursts, but nevertheless words
like these can only fuel the fires of bigotry and hatred.

The short of it is,that anyone calling for such actions needs to face some serious Repercussions


But then on the other hand,some of those marchers were duped,and probably didn't even knew what those Signs were saying.

Well I had a moment of revelation this morning... Which I will get to in a moment...

First off this was a very messy thread last night... that´s probably putting it mildly, and I was accused of a lot of things... of having a superior attitude of being insecure, of attacking people.

!. Feeling superior... I certainly hope that I have never portrayed that I thought I was better then anyone. While I have shared and taken pride in my achievements I have also been quick to share my moments of stupidity to the chuckles of quite a few of you and have no problem laughing at myself.

2. Being insecure... Well it´s just hard for me to reconcile the idea that I could "feel superior" to everyone and be insecure at the same time.... but I will admit that there are times I face insecurities... in reality I am quite a shy person and have battled that most of my life.

3. Attacking People... I can honestly say that I try to argue the post and not the person... but admit there have been occasions when something was said that really disgusted me... ideas of racism, extreme disrespect towards women that I probably did make a comment that was more personal then issue related, but I can honestly think of only 3 occasions where this has happened.

...and now I come to my moment of revelation...

To say that I was shocked at the personal attack on me last night doesn´t begin to say how I felt, and to be honest I really couldn´t understand it... this came from someone I didn´t know, that I didn´t think I had ever had any kind of contact with... but on reading the exchange between him and Sparky I realized that this was the man who posted the windup thread that was extremely disrespectful in attitude to both women and soldiers and yes I did say some pretty nasty things... but if you post a thread with the explicit purpose of pissing people off then I think you should be prepared for what ever responses you get... and they do say that humour often has a lot of truth to it.

On hind sight am I proud of the comments I made on that thread? No, I allowed someone to bring out the worst in me. Now that I realize the attack was made in response to what I posted on that thread and not a response to what was just a simple comment about not all Muslims being extremists it does make a bit more sense to me... but I still don´t see it as justified

If this person had something to say regarding my post on his windup thread then it should have been dealt with there... to lay in wait with the express purpose of attacking me on another thread I find to be cowardly at best, but if it made him feel better for having done it... then so be it.


Thank you Luscious and Irishlass for the words of support and thank you to those who wrote to me with good advice and the hugs I needed... very much appreciated.

The one good thing that came of all this is that I do realize I have become far to serious and intense and I do miss some of the really good times I´ve had on CS that were filled with laughter and flirtation and so I will attempt to avoid "issues" and work on finding some good sexy funny things to start threads with.

Hope you are all having a good day and I wish you all the best.

Jacquie

this thread has turned into nothing more than a hate filled shouting match. It is sad, that all the name calling is going on in here. Let me say this, then I'll shut up.


Not all Christians demostrate at war heroes funerals and bomb abortion clinics.

Not all Muslims fly planes into office buildings.





Can't we all just get along!!