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Hugz_n_Kissez Someplace, Ontario Canada
omurchu22: Mother of God H n K you win i wont be avengeful anymore just stop the political writing

immm sorryyy



Ok...BUT I had to post on the Christian Right...Sorry it was soooooo long..BUT they have a long and deep history in the U.S.....BUT I am done with the political wranglings now.....wave wink roll eyes uh oh dunno laugh
Conrad73 Lonesome Town Zurich, Zrich Switzerland
WTF,I was referring to the Signs inciting to Riot and Murder.
We were a Minority in the Sixties,but if we'd carried the Signs those Muslims carried we'd still be cooling our Arses in Jail.
And that is where anyone belongs that is Inciting Riot and Murder!very mad very mad very mad



cherokeemoon2 grove, Oklahoma USA
WELL THIS IS WHY NO ONE CAN TALK AND DEBATE ON HERE.Not one word on why we were not informed on this except from Sparky and Oslo.I never saw this or even heard of this.So I was wrong about news media.Ill take that from u sparky because ur american and say I am wrong.The reason other countries are having financial trouble like us is because we r in league with a lot of countries money wise.But As most can see this was turned into a chrisatian verus muslim thread.Now u smart ones, who can see what is going on tell me,How did this in any way infer that I said all muslims are like this?When I said I was just as much against the KKK I get attacked by a african american.But I got the point across anyway.The attackers are the same old same old that always run to cause a fight.they r the ones who really make it comical.I am Native American,Please dont talk or preach to me about racisim.I am a christian so dont talk to me about how to be one while ur calling me names and putting me down. wave



irishlass45 Texas USA, Texas USA
And, if anyone can prove to me that the ones toting the signs in this thread were in fact undercover sales of pie shops I will kiss their assgritsroll eyes



cherokeemoon2 grove, Oklahoma USA
Conrad73: WTF,I was referring to the Signs inciting to Riot and Murder.
We were a Minority in the Sixties,but if we'd carried the Signs those Muslims carried we'd still be cooling our Arses in Jail.
And that is where anyone belongs that is Inciting Riot and Murder!
Dont worry Conrad there is the wait and see for some.I want to hear their remarks then.handshake
Hugz_n_Kissez Someplace, Ontario Canada
irishlass45: Lady shell, I love you to death but that dosen't mean I am going to make a sign of it and tote it around, which brings to mind the point Con was making, the signs are a pure threat plain and simple.


Yes...but I like I said...so are other signs at other protests darlin...that's because Freedom of Speech exists for all not just some...Like I said it doesn't stop just because people don't like what is said....that's the beauty of it...unless it is clearly harmful to an individual through Liable or Slander...then it depends which laws exist...this was in London...if they don't have hate laws in existence...they weren't breaking any laws...moral laws yes...but not legally....I am just looking from both sides...I am sure there have been plenty of Anti- Muslim protests as well after 911 and I bet they didn't say any less threatening things on their signs....and I also bet those were held in the U.S.....hug teddybear hug bouquet lips



irishlass45 Texas USA, Texas USA
Hugz_n_Kissez: Yes...but I like I said...so are other signs at other protests darlin...that's because Freedom of Speech exists for all not just some...Like I said it doesn't stop just because people don't like what is said....that's the beauty of it...unless it is clearly harmful to an individual through Liable or Slander...then it depends which laws exist...this was in London...if they don't have hate laws in existence...they weren't breaking any laws...moral laws yes...but not legally....I am just looking from both sides...I am sure there have been plenty of Anti- Muslim protests as well after 911 and I bet they didn't say any less threatening things on their signs....and I also bet those were held in the U.S.....



I would like to see them, if they exist then they need to be shown. A threat is a threat no matter where you are, freedom of speech? IT looks like a threat to me, that is my freedom of speech, if you are being threatened then you tend to take notice, especially if it is yelled enough at you. And yes, I do believe that they have hate laws in London too, will have to ask the englishman but I am sure they do and if that isn't hate being screamed at on those signs then I don't know what is.bouquet



cherokeemoon2 grove, Oklahoma USA
Hugz_n_Kissez: Yes...but I like I said...so are other signs at other protests darlin...that's because Freedom of Speech exists for all not just some...Like I said it doesn't stop just because people don't like what is said....that's the beauty of it...unless it is clearly harmful to an individual through Liable or Slander...then it depends which laws exist...this was in London...if they don't have hate laws in existence...they weren't breaking any laws...moral laws yes...but not legally....I am just looking from both sides...I am sure there have been plenty of Anti- Muslim protests as well after 911 and I bet they didn't say any less threatening things on their signs....and I also bet those were held in the U.S.....
show them to us some of us are not idiots we believe what we see.But u need to remember this was not to long after the only 9-11 I know of, and it happened here in America.
Conrad73 Lonesome Town Zurich, Zrich Switzerland
Hugz_n_Kissez: Yes...but I like I said...so are other signs at other protests darlin...that's because Freedom of Speech exists for all not just some...Like I said it doesn't stop just because people don't like what is said....that's the beauty of it...unless it is clearly harmful to an individual through Liable or Slander...then it depends which laws exist...this was in London...if they don't have hate laws in existence...they weren't breaking any laws...moral laws yes...but not legally....I am just looking from both sides...I am sure there have been plenty of Anti- Muslim protests as well after 911 and I bet they didn't say any less threatening things on their signs....and I also bet those were held in the U.S.....
The Laws about Inciting to Riot and Murder are pretty much the same in any halfway civilized Country.professor



shipoker58 Las Vegas, Nevada USA
cherokeemoon2: WELL THIS IS WHY NO ONE CAN TALK AND DEBATE ON HERE.Not one word on why we were not informed on this except from Sparky and Oslo.I never saw this or even heard of this.So I was wrong about news media.Ill take that from u sparky because ur american and say I am wrong.The reason other countries are having financial trouble like us is because we r in league with a lot of countries money wise.But As most can see this was turned into a chrisatian verus muslim thread.Now u smart ones, who can see what is going on tell me,How did this in any way infer that I said all muslims are like this?When I said I was just as much against the KKK I get attacked by a african american.But I got the point across anyway.The attackers are the same old same old that always run to cause a fight.they r the ones who really make it comical.I am Native American,Please dont talk or preach to me about racisim.I am a christian so dont talk to me about how to be one while ur calling me names and putting me down.




No Cherokee,,,,you didn't say ALL Muslims...but you said Muslims, not SOME Muslims. That IMPLIES ALL Muslims. That is where a source of contention is.handshake
Hugz_n_Kissez Someplace, Ontario Canada
irishlass45: I would like to see them, if they exist then they need to be shown. A threat is a threat no matter where you are, freedom of speech? IT looks like a threat to me, that is my freedom of speech, if you are being threatened then you tend to take notice, especially if it is yelled enough at you. And yes, I do believe that they have hate laws in London too, will have to ask the englishman but I am sure they do and if that isn't hate being screamed at on those signs then I don't know what is.


This was a national demonstration as well not shown on tv....It doesn't show a lot of hateful signs but it does show a hang man hanging an Arab/Muslim.....


http://thehappyextremist.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11837



wink hug teddybear hug bouquet


Sure it's hate...but I am saying that they also use Freedom of speech in the U.S. to justify the actions of the Christian Right and other people and/or organizations demonstrating....Hate is Hate yes...but but unfortunately some people choose to justify their actions or hid behind 911 when it comes to Muslim people....and paint them all with the same breath...rather than see commons sense that it was 19 Muslim extremists and Al Quedia who they should be angry at...but few people make the distinction.....I'll bet this demonstration that was national and I think hateful...in the link I gave you wasn't broken up either.....wine
Hugz_n_Kissez Someplace, Ontario Canada
cherokeemoon2: show them to us some of us are not idiots we believe what we see.But u need to remember this was not to long after the only 9-11 I know of, and it happened here in America.



See...what does 911 have to do with Muslims?????


You continually hide behind that....like the whole Muslim Nation came and attacked the U.S. that day....Take a look at my link I posted and that's just one..I can post more if you like.....Why would you be sooooooo concerned at Muslims in the thousands building a Mosque...when you literally have millions of the Christian Right doing the same things...only infiltrating your governments...and swinging the votes their way....threatening people....posting hit lists on abortion doctors.....and brainwashing people????


Or are those thing not a concern?????



dunno
Harleyquinn Betwixt the stix, Illinois USA




Well see it's never a concern if it's only the people you hate dangling on the tines of the pitchfork.

HELL look at how much hate is spewed at the very idea of a black man being prsident. There have already been death threats made!












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WingsOfLove paradise, North Carolina USA
cherokeemoon2: WELL THIS IS WHY NO ONE CAN TALK AND DEBATE ON HERE.Not one word on why we were not informed on this except from Sparky and Oslo.I never saw this or even heard of this.So I was wrong about news media.Ill take that from u sparky because ur american and say I am wrong.The reason other countries are having financial trouble like us is because we r in league with a lot of countries money wise.But As most can see this was turned into a chrisatian verus muslim thread.Now u smart ones, who can see what is going on tell me,How did this in any way infer that I said all muslims are like this?When I said I was just as much against the KKK I get attacked by a african american.But I got the point across anyway.The attackers are the same old same old that always run to cause a fight.they r the ones who really make it comical.I am Native American,Please dont talk or preach to me about racisim.I am a christian so dont talk to me about how to be one while ur calling me names and putting me down.




Thank you Cherokeemoon!!!! handshake

The ridicule and the attacks the regulars on this site dish out is the reason someone very close to me cancelled her profile. It's sad that people can't ask questions about something they don't understand only to get attacked over it. It would be a much better world if we humans could get along with one another and have tolerance of the many diverse beliefs, customs, and yes, religons in the world. doh mumbling
Hugz_n_Kissez Someplace, Ontario Canada
The Problem of Evil

Since Sept. 11, President Bush has turned the White House "bully pulpit" into a pulpit indeed, replete with "calls" and "missions" and "charges to keep" regarding America's role in the world. George Bush is convinced that we are engaged in a moral battle between good and evil, and that those who are not with us are on the wrong side in that divine confrontation.

But who is "we," and does no evil reside with "us"? The problem of evil is a classic one in Christian theology. Indeed, anyone who cannot see the real face of evil in the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, is suffering from a bad case of postmodern relativism. To fail to speak of evil in the world today is to engage in bad theology. But to speak of "they" being evil and "we" being good, to say that evil is all out there and that in the warfare between good and evil others are either with us or against us—that is also bad theology. Unfortunately, it has become the Bush theology.

After the Sept. 11 attacks, the White House carefully scripted the religious service in which the president declared war on terrorism from the pulpit of the National Cathedral. The president declared to the nation, "Our responsibility to history is already clear: to answer these attacks and rid the world of evil." With most every member of the Cabinet and the Congress present, along with the nation's religious leaders, it became a televised national liturgy affirming the divine character of the nation's new war against terrorism, ending triumphantly with the "Battle Hymn of the Republic." War against evil would confer moral legitimacy on the nation's foreign policy and even on a contested presidency.

What is most missing in the Bush theology is acknowledgement of the truth of this passage from the gospel of Matthew: "Why do you see the speck in your neighbor's eye, but do not notice the log in your own eye? Or how can you say to your neighbor, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' while the log is in your eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your neighbor's eye." A simplistic "we are right and they are wrong" theology rules out self-reflection and correction. It also covers over the crimes America has committed, which lead to widespread global resentment against us.

Theologian Reinhold Niebuhr wrote that every nation, political system, and politician falls short of God's justice, because we are all sinners. He specifically argued that even Adolf Hitler—to whom Saddam Hussein was often compared by Bush—did not embody absolute evil any more than the Allies represented absolute good. Niebuhr's sense of ambiguity and irony in history does not preclude action but counsels the recognition of limitations and prescribes both humility and self-reflection.

And what of Bush's tendency to go it alone, even against the expressed will of much of the world? A foreign government leader said to me at the beginning of the Iraq war, "The world is waiting to see if America will listen to the rest of us, or if we will all just have to listen to America." American unilateralism is not just bad political policy, it is bad theology as well. C.S. Lewis wrote that he supported democracy not because people were good, but rather because they often were not. Democracy provides a system of checks and balances against any human beings getting too much power. If that is true of nations, it must also be true of international relations. The vital questions of diplomacy, intervention, war, and peace are, in this theological view, best left to the collective judgment of many nations, not just one—especially not the richest and most powerful one.

(Cont'd)....wine
Hugz_n_Kissez Someplace, Ontario Canada
In Christian theology, it is not nations that rid the world of evil—they are too often caught up in complicated webs of political power, economic interests, cultural clashes, and nationalist dreams. The confrontation with evil is a role reserved for God, and for the people of God when they faithfully exercise moral conscience. But God has not given the responsibility for overcoming evil to a nation-state, much less to a superpower with enormous wealth and particular national interests. To confuse the role of God with that of the American nation, as George Bush seems to do, is a serious theological error that some might say borders on idolatry or blasphemy.

It's easy to demonize the enemy and claim that we are on the side of God and good. But repentance is better. As the Christian Science Monitor put it, paraphrasing Alexander Solzhenitzyn. "The gospel, some evangelicals are quick to point out, teaches that the line separating good and evil runs not between nations, but inside every human heart."



You say you're Native American so you know about racism....but in one post you also said it's not just a "white problem" which is very true...apparently you can recognize racism against yourself but not your own against another religion....it's still discrimination....and racists in that it ties Muslims and all who read the Qua'ran to terrorism...because of some passages in the book....now those statements you have made..."that all Muslims may not be terrorists but all Muslims read the Qua'ran"...which you also said you read one passage and closed and refused to read anymore because of said passage...I'm sorry but I don't see how disagreeing with you and your failure to see how the far Christian Right is 10 times worse than what Muslims ever thought of being...is an attack...it's merely pointing out a fact which you fail to recognize within your own country....After all...with Freedom of Speech and all that...is it right to condemn one without even looking at the other????

Now you were upset because of what some signs said that you were not informed and have since been told that you indeed were "because it came from an American I will believe you" Now people from other countries are not believable if they don't agree with you????...I wonder if all the Islamic countries were informed of the National demonstration that showed a hangman...string up an Arab/ Muslim in the U.S.????



-Sojourners...faith..politics and culture....-


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shipoker58 Las Vegas, Nevada USA
WingsOfLove: Thank you Cherokeemoon!!!!

The ridicule and the attacks the regulars on this site dish out is the reason someone very close to me cancelled her profile. It's sad that people can't ask questions about something they don't understand only to get attacked over it. It would be a much better world if we humans could get along with one another and have tolerance of the many diverse beliefs, customs, and yes, religons in the world.




It seems that if a "right wing view" is put to question, it is an attack.

But not treated the same when a right winger questions a liberal thinker.

It appears to me that most of the insults (faintly veiled) are coming from the "right wingers".
Hugz_n_Kissez Someplace, Ontario Canada
shipoker58: It seems that if a "right wing view" is put to question, it is an attack.

But not treated the same when a right winger questions a liberal thinker.

It appears to me that most of the insults (faintly veiled) are coming from the "right wingers".



I agree ship and I am neither because I am not even from the U.S....and neither have I attacked anyone...I am merely trying to even up the playing field a bit...which I think is only fair.....wave wink hug hug bouquet



Indyfella indianapolis, Indiana USA
Hugz_n_Kissez: I agree ship and I am neither because I am not even from the U.S....and neither have I attacked anyone...I am merely trying to even up the playing field a bit...which I think is only fair.....


You're almost as good as Queen Noorapplause
azucarmorena Atlanta, Georgia USA
cherokeemoon2: Being racist is not just a white problem my dear .


Errr I never said anything about that in my post. Just pointing out how familiar ignorance is....




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