A foreigners view on the US election

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mike69spain In Relation, Andalucia Spain
Before you read the rest; I do not have a set opinion of the two contenders in the election. I have a personal reflection of what I would think is good PR for USA, but lets wait with that until later, since it has nothing to do with them both.

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This American election (that is really just the USA election) does force itself upon you everywhere you are in Europe too.

But I have not seen any of the debates in uncut versions; neither could I find a down to simple facts description of the contenders.

To an ignorant onlooker in Europe, as I am in this, the feeling of hype around Obama is annoying as is the spiteful comments about McCain. The feeling of a fair run is not there, it seems all is a play for media and the media has chosen their hero from day one: Obama.

Do you get the same feeling, that Obama is pushed onto you and that if you show a slightest interest in McCain, you have an issue?

Since we are talking about one of the most influent country in the world, as it is, with its currency being used as a base for world trade, this election is really not a small issue, even if we like to make humour out of it.

The best leader of US is the one that understands economics and diplomacy at a high level.
- The first ability can be studied at school and if you have at least simple mathematical skills you should be ok, if you have good enough advisors around you.
- The second ability… I must say, and you just read around in here in the forums, diplomatic skills does come with your personality. Sure, study the subject; watch those that came before you, but to really be the one to float above heated discussions and keep your head cool, it needs to be someone who does this naturally.

Why?

They may be presidents of USA but they are even more the chairmen to the board of world business, where politics are used to leverage countries trade with each other. There is no way around it, the Government of USA can concentrate how much they want on national issues but to the world there have to be another agenda, how people fare in USA is of less importance to us outside.

Back to Media.

McCain has been described to me as whimsy, lost, bitter, aggressive, war mongrel to name a few things. He has NOT been mentioned as a financial genius or a guy with good social skills, the opposite.

Obama has been described to me as clear, to the point, laughing to avoid nasty subjects, friends in unusual places and a person that loves talking finance. His social skills are already here spoken for as he got everyone charmed (or his make-up people did).

But… to become a good juggler of the US interest and influence in world matters, I really think that friends in unusual places and being able to laugh and avoid nasty subject are important.

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It does not help me, but I can not believe that a person can reach as far as McCain without having some of those skills too. Not if Obama’s lead is really only a few points ahead, no matter if it is 4, 6 or 10.

I think media is turning our head around and people are choosing president as a result of the good feeling they get from media or as mistrust to media. Not built on the actual abilities of the contenders.

And that is sad.

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jbibiza Ibiza, Islas Baleares Spain
Hi Mike,

While there may be a somewhat larger percentage of pro Obama media, McCain is not without his supporters in the media as well... more so there seems to be an "underground" support of McCain which is probably what disturbs me the most. We aren´t seeing lots of unsupported rumours and innuendo associated with McCain... but with Obama... it´s rampant.

Have you seen some of the interviews with McCain supporters? The rumours, while being shown to be completely unsubstantiated, of him being a Muslim are thought to be fact by many... There are campaigns of letters and chain emails that incite hatred and prejudice against Obama... directly stating that he has terrorist affiliations, that he hates white people, that he is a Muslim, that he has ties to Bin Laden... the list goes on.

There are incidents of people at rallies yelling "kill him" when Obama´s name is mentioned, that go unchecked by either McCain or Palin. What is happening in this election scares the hell out of me... and I can honestly say that I am happy with my decision to leave the USA 9 years ago.
tinymac hilversum, Flevoland Netherlands
The problem in mid american states is that they will easily believe the falsities regarding Obama and links to bin-Laden etc since they dont know much more than their locaal

In most cases, they dont even travel outside of their own State and so its easy to convince these people that what goes on outside in the world at large is all about terroristic attacks and brining down the fabric of US society.

This is mostly due to the fact that previous administrations and powerfull corporations and government bodies RATHER that there are isolated communities in US society that can be manipulated so easily in order to hold onto power. Lack of education in these areas is the reason but most administrations have been afraid or had their hands tied when tackilng the situation regarding better schooling, health care and quality of life in general.

This certainly suits the McCain camp who constantly make reference to freedom of choice because those dumb asses in the sticks dont know how much choice there really is in the world outside of themselves.

thats why they can be so easily fired up to chant Kill Him in the rallies etc



cheers peace
Conrad73 Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
tinymac: The problem in mid american states is that they will easily believe the falsities regarding Obama and links to bin-Laden etc since they dont know much more than their locaal

In most cases, they dont even travel outside of their own State and so its easy to convince these people that what goes on outside in the world at large is all about terroristic attacks and brining down the fabric of US society.

This is mostly due to the fact that previous administrations and powerfull corporations and government bodies RATHER that there are isolated communities in US society that can be manipulated so easily in order to hold onto power. Lack of education in these areas is the reason but most administrations have been afraid or had their hands tied when tackilng the situation regarding better schooling, health care and quality of life in general.

This certainly suits the McCain camp who constantly make reference to freedom of choice because those dumb asses in the sticks dont know how much choice there really is in the world outside of themselves.

thats why they can be so easily fired up to chant Kill Him in the rallies etc
In response to: thats why they can be so easily fired up to chant Kill Him in the rallies etc
Damn you're full of it.That Incident never even happenedbarfing
Indyfella indianapolis, Indiana USA


The fbi looked into the "kill him" threat. The reporter was the only one that heard it. Maybe he yelled it since his story deadline was due.
tinymac hilversum, Flevoland Netherlands
Conrad73: Damn you're full of it.That Incident never even happened


Maybe not!

But there certainly are regions in the land of the free where it suits the governing bosies and corporations to keep the people uneducated and unaware fo the facts

cheers
Conrad73 Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
tinymac: Maybe not!

But there certainly are regions in the land of the free where it suits the governing bosies and corporations to keep the people uneducated and unaware fo the facts
The Parts called EUROPE? innocent
tinymac hilversum, Flevoland Netherlands
Conrad73: The Parts called EUROPE?


Well - your living in Switzerland - you tell me, dear boy?
cheers
Conrad73 Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
tinymac: Well - your living in Switzerland - you tell me, dear boy?
Brussels Dutchboy,Brussels,where all those Sprouts of Europe are,that are of no use anywhere else.
EU,the Wannabe!rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
Indyfella indianapolis, Indiana USA
tinymac: Maybe not!

But there certainly are regions in the land of the free where it suits the governing bosies and corporations to keep the people uneducated and unaware fo the facts



Well, John Murtha (Pa.) says his constituants are racsists. Good luck with your election this year John rolling on the floor laughing
tinymac hilversum, Flevoland Netherlands
Conrad73: Brussels Dutchboy,Brussels,where all those Sprouts of Europe are,that are of no use anywhere else.
EU,the Wannabe!


Yeah - it was a really dumb idea of the Benelux and France to try to make a superstate with their new friends - the Germans (uuhumm)

Why? all we gain here is a common currency, that the UK and Swiss dont want!

If you try to see any real unity between these member states in trying to fix the financial mess theyve got us all emroiled in then there simply isnt any!! Each state triesd to solve its own problems and screw the rest.

however, I dont see any diffreence in the US either since the truth is - however much people there complain, they will never accept heavily regulated finacial markets (as we will in EU) cos it goes against the land of the free, me first, idealogy!

Small minded but ok, we can all live with it if we can afford to keep a roof over our heads and are prepared to see our grannies starve to death.
cheers
mike69spain In Relation, Andalucia Spain
Sorry, fellows, it was not my intention to just drop this and leave, but I got visitors suddenly. I will get back in here in a few hours.

I just want say, because I failed doing so - the "impression" I got of the two contenders is not from reading all news carefully or following the debates.

It is an impression I got from headlines and short news notices - the way I think many people receives their daily input about subjects feeling a bit "far" from them. And it does to me, I am honestly more interested in what US will do in the future, than WHO will do it, since I do not have a say in the election itself.

And try to not use is as a flamethrower thread, there are enough of them here as is.

It is more about how the media is colouring their "war" headlines and angles their picturing on the ongoing event.

The two contenters are surely not KGB in disguise any of them, anyway, or they would not be where they are now laugh

Til later here's to you
The_Kansan Claxton (Powell) , Tennessee USA
tinymac: The problem in mid american states is that they will easily believe the falsities regarding Obama and links to bin-Laden etc since they dont know much more than their locaal

In most cases, they dont even travel outside of their own State and so its easy to convince these people that what goes on outside in the world at large is all about terroristic attacks and brining down the fabric of US society.

This is mostly due to the fact that previous administrations and powerfull corporations and government bodies RATHER that there are isolated communities in US society that can be manipulated so easily in order to hold onto power. Lack of education in these areas is the reason but most administrations have been afraid or had their hands tied when tackilng the situation regarding better schooling, health care and quality of life in general.

This certainly suits the McCain camp who constantly make reference to freedom of choice because those dumb asses in the sticks dont know how much choice there really is in the world outside of themselves.

thats why they can be so easily fired up to chant Kill Him in the rallies etc


Thank you TM - You've just proven that your lack of knowledge on this particular subject is exceeded only by your bias and ignorance.

I'm not sure who told you that you were an expert on Mid-America, but whomever it was... Well, they lied to you...

Please - Try to edit your writing of unnecessary material before attempting to impress us with your insight. (It might save you some embarrassment. thumbs up )


Sign me as... "Not-so-dumbass-from-the-sticks"
tinymac hilversum, Flevoland Netherlands
The_Kansan: Thank you TM - You've just proven that your lack of knowledge on this particular subject is exceeded only by your bias and ignorance.

I'm not sure who told you that you were an expert on Mid-America, but whomever it was... Well, they lied to you...

Please - Try to edit your writing of unnecessary material before attempting to impress us with your insight. (It might save you some embarrassment. )Sign me as... "Not-so-dumbass-from-the-sticks"


And??

where I am I wrong exactly?

Or are you one of the educated middle class exceptions?

no bias intended - you guys have to live there not me, my friend!
cheers
Indyfella indianapolis, Indiana USA
The_Kansan: Thank you TM - You've just proven that your lack of knowledge on this particular subject is exceeded only by your bias and ignorance.

I'm not sure who told you that you were an expert on Mid-America, but whomever it was... Well, they lied to you...

Please - Try to edit your writing of unnecessary material before attempting to impress us with your insight. (It might save you some embarrassment. )Sign me as... "Not-so-dumbass-from-the-sticks"



I think what needs to be addressed is that there is a huge vast America beyond New York and L.A. Commonly referred to as "fly over country". "Fly over country" votes too.
The_Kansan Claxton (Powell) , Tennessee USA
tinymac: And??

where I am I wrong exactly?

Or are you one of the educated middle class exceptions?

no bias intended - you guys have to live there not me, my friend!


Where are you wrong exactly? Pretty much in everything you stated in the inital post that I replied to - (Maybe you should visit the places you talk about and see how things really are before making un-educated assumptions about them.)

And we don't "have to live here" - We are lucky to live here. If you can't understand why we feel that way, then it's a damned good thing that you don't live here.

Don't believe all of the stereotypes that you see in the media, TM, very few of them come anywhere close to being accurate.

You know, over the years I've read quite a bit about the Netherlands, even watched some T.V. and other video media about your area. I guess that makes me an expert on your home, too? professor
tinymac hilversum, Flevoland Netherlands
Indyfella: I think what needs to be addressed is that there is a huge vast America beyond New York and L.A. Commonly referred to as "fly over country". "Fly over country" votes too.


I still recall Gore Vidal saying in an interview about 12yrs ago how the Clintons were out manouvered by the pharmaceutical industry for wanting to bring about free medical care for the under privileged and impoverished Americans.

Its a clear case of where politics and people come second place to share holder investments and corporate power, unfortunately.




cheers
DazzleYou Irvine, California USA
jbibiza: Hi Mike,

While there may be a somewhat larger percentage of pro Obama media, McCain is not without his supporters in the media as well... more so there seems to be an "underground" support of McCain which is probably what disturbs me the most. We aren´t seeing lots of unsupported rumours and innuendo associated with McCain... but with Obama... it´s rampant.

Have you seen some of the interviews with McCain supporters? The rumours, while being shown to be completely unsubstantiated, of him being a Muslim are thought to be fact by many... There are campaigns of letters and chain emails that incite hatred and prejudice against Obama... directly stating that he has terrorist affiliations, that he hates white people, that he is a Muslim, that he has ties to Bin Laden... the list goes on.

There are incidents of people at rallies yelling "kill him" when Obama´s name is mentioned, that go unchecked by either McCain or Palin. What is happening in this election scares the hell out of me... and I can honestly say that I am happy with my decision to leave the USA 9 years ago.



Jbib, your assumptions are just not true. The secret service has completely debunked the "kill him" thing you site here.

While there are some back woods hicks that believe Obama is Muslim, most do not. However, he did make statement that if it comes down to it, he will side with his Muslim Brothers over Israel.

He DOES have terrorist affiliations. Ayers blew up 12 facilities including one with children in it! And Obama is good friends with him and has been for years!

Comedians are attacking McCain at a rate of 7-1 according to independent study. Also according to independent study, Obama is receiving positive stories from the media at a rate of 3-1 over McCain.
ooby_dooby Ashland, Virginia USA
He DOES have terrorist affiliations. Ayers blew up 12 facilities including one with children in it! And Obama is good friends with him and has been for years!

That is pure BS.

"Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html
Indyfella indianapolis, Indiana USA
ooby_dooby: He DOES have terrorist affiliations. Ayers blew up 12 facilities including one with children in it! And Obama is good friends with him and has been for years!

That is pure BS.

"Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html



The MSM will probably decide after he gets in office to review his history, since they don't care to before the election. It'll be interesting...




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