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Me too.

Well, I think there's a good chance you're gonna get what you want. Unfortunately, and this happens every 4 - 8 years, you're gonna find out you don't want what you got.

I guess time will tell

I'd say go for it I'm sure in about 15-20 years you will make a nice profit.

My father bought the home I grew up in for 50,000 dollars in the 70's in San Jose. He sold it for 700,000 dollars in 01. So there's your motivation...

Yes...we supliment with wood here...

With the ample supply of bullshit up there, I'd say dry it and burn it.

Instead of spending all your free hours working for Obama...what would happen if you got a p/t job?


Just curious.

When the chips are down, watchout for cow patties.

That all comes from Harper and we're not privileged enough to have access to it!!!!!!!!!!

I know, I grew up in Lancaster. Our 4bdr cost 28K in 1970 and my father sold it for over 250K in 1985. I doubt these will gain that quickly but I could probably pick one up from the bank for about 100 - 120K which is about 60 - 80K under their value. Maybe I can get one cheaper with a cash buy.

Try Denmark.....they're up to their ass in bullshit.

I am going to over the holidays in a department store and get 10% off.

I only spend Sat & Sun canvassing now. Some emailing during the week.

I think that you have to evaluate this on several levels.

1) Fairness. At some point....someone is going tobe the 41% and will not qualify for the supplemental benefits of the Social Security. Is it fair to him....to have worked a little harder than the 40% and not get the
benefit?

2) Can Social Security administer such a program. The expert said that
Social Security to do this....is a real change in it business and operations for them. I am not sure I buy all of that....it might seem as as easy as a cutting check. BUT.......consider the amount of Social Security fraud that goes on today in the country. Adding a program to thier operations....asking them to qualify the 40% for benefits and to keep fraud from the program....is asking a lot.

Just consider how easy it is to get a Social Security card.

3) The effect on the 5% getting taxed to benefit the 40%. This top level group of money people.....money is like water to them.....they flow it to the best markets....the best taxes rates.....place it in the companies with the best financials. I think that we have already seen some of this with the crash to a bear market. The top 5% are moving thier funds ....to where I don't know.....but not to where a Obama government can get to it very easily. The 5% is lot poorer today.....so the by the 20th of Jan......maybe he needs to tax the top 60% to benefit the bottom 40%.:-)

4)The question of ethnics fits in here some how. Is it ethnical to take from the wealthy and give to the poor? Call it the Robin Hood issue.
Even though Robin was a nice guy with his merry band of men..he was still stealing. Sure the wealthy had stolen from the poor to become wealthy in the movie. But is that case here? Where the wealthy have taken from the poor? Maybe in certain cases....yes. But in the majority of it......I don't see storm trooper breakingdown doors to collect taxes here yet.

OK Sparky, I'm just going to try to make some sense of how I see this. Those houses were selling for that because of overinflated prices which suited the sellers and the banks.

I was selling my mom's house 4 years ago in the San Gabriel valley which runs right into LA county. I got some advice from some very smart people who helped me invest mom's money. They told me the housing market was very unstable and going to crash. I was afraid of it happening then.

They knew, all of the bankers, the market moguls, many people in the government who were deregulating (making it easy to be irresponsible), the economist knew it was going to crash and what did they do? They milked the system until it finally died.

I don't think so many people would have bought those houses if they knew this was going to happen do you? There might not have been the outcry it needed but I hope there would have been some demands to fix the problem not kill the cow.

The infrastructure here has also been weakened by the huge deficit we have run by giving the cooperations and wealthy tax cuts while spending like crazy on the war.

The middle class didn't see them the wealthy did. It is the middle class that will benefit from Obama's plan, that's true, but they were not the beneficiaries of Bushes plan were they? And prosperity doesn't trickle down that's clear. I'm just glad the SS system wasn't linked to this market which is another thing that was planned.

The Gov spending needs to be cleaned up quite a bit too but offshore tax shelter loopholes for the cooperations and rich need to be closed and our jobs stopped from being outsourced.

Look America has a whole lot to offer in safety, police protection, firefighting, good roads and water/sewage system. We have regulations, laws and services that are outstanding. It needs to be preserved and supported by the wealthy and big cooperation because it is really, really in trouble now.

The middle class is the backbone of this country, not the rich or the poor, they need help now too and a sound country to live in it needs cash, not more C/C debt.

It's not fair that you would get 10% off and the rest of us don't get the discount.

Social Security is in worse shape than the real estate market. It's a ponzi scheme. Were a private citizen come up with something like that...they'd be in jail. (JMO)

Tomorrow. Good Night

Yep Indy it is, partly because the money is being taken out by the government and used, not saved.