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From a bird to an almighty being to a god and now an eater of royalty. What a strange and rather disturbing epic journey you've been on, my friend. I wonder what's in store for you next.

I have a few ideas......

You saw me before I was born and scheduled each day of my life before I began to breathe. Every day was recorded in your book!" [Psalm 139:16]


DO you suppose that this is describing "God's Plan"?

You all know Im an Atheist and most of you know I aint thick so to this thread I have to say that if there is some kinda predestiny waiting to put the stamp on my forehead I wish it would hurry along - Im getting pretty tired of being the boss of mytself............

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I enjoyed water cress earlier........

Yes agree with much of what you say! It is the experience of that which already exists that free will as we know it to be can bring to the fore (or not) 'what is' if we so choose. Expanding our awareness to the larger soul as you describe it will then give us more insight into the true nature of God.

I am an avid reader of the bible, and to me it means, there are roads we have to travel, before we get to where we should be. We have free will, so we can make he travel hard or easy.

While God knows everything from beginning to end, and He cares intimately about you and me personally, He does not determine events and human decisions so as to obliterate free will and our voluntary love of Him. His foreknowledge is not causal, and His prescience of contingent events does not reduce contingency. He brings resistible grace to bear upon our circumstances based on a perfect wisdom, understanding, and knowledge of us and the choices we face in life. We are always free to respond in faith (never apart from His influence) or to dismiss Him. How much smaller would God be if He had to predestine and essentially force our obedience or disobedience? He predestines to glory those who habitually trust Jesus as Lord and Savior, not individuals to believe or disbelieve. His interest in us extends infinitely before and after our earthly residence.

This is so true. But, the devil also lives here. And this, is an important factor that some people do not know... or perhaps chooses to forget.

Thanks for bringing this thread up it is lovely. One of my favorite Psalms.

If he planed it then why should I feel guilty for any of the jouful mistakes I have made????

So when god "reads the thoughts" of someone about to commit murder and does nothing to prevent it, what does that say about god?

God is supposed to be omnipotent, omnipresent, and God's Plan is supposed to be all layed out already. He "Knows" what our decisions are. He planned them.

So did he plan Murders?

Genocides?

Wars?

Abortions?

God is the sole creator. SO he created evil as well. Why? To test us? If he's all-knowing, he'd know who is going to pass and who is going to fail. THere's no free will.


The qualities of an omnipotent god

If god is almighty there are several qualities he must have. They are as follows:

* He must know everything. Everything that is, everything that has been and everything that will be. To be able to know everything that will be he must know every position and every momentum of every particle in cosmos
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* He must be worth our worship. A being that is not worth worshipping is no god.

* He must be able to do anything. If there are things that god can't do, he certainly is not omnipotent.

* He must be above time. Something that even St. Augustine deduced. But not only that, god must stand above all possible dimensions.

* He cannot be 'good' or 'evil' or, indeed, have any subjective characteristica. If god is all good, he cannot do evil things and cannot be almighty. Most people would object and say that good can do evil but chooses not to do it. Well, if god is all good he can't choose to do evil things, can he?
The theodicé problem

We also have the theodice problem, stated by David Hume:
If the evil in the world is intended by god he is not good. If it violates his intentions he is not almighty.

God can't be both almighty and good. God is ultimately responsible for the existence of evil. Besides, if only god can create he must have created evil.

If somebody else (the devil) created evil, how can one know that god, and not Satan created the universe?

Because there would be no "good".... only evil.

"He cannot be 'good' or 'evil' or, indeed, have any subjective characteristica. If god is all good, he cannot do evil things and cannot be almighty. Most people would object and say that good can do evil but chooses not to do it. Well, if god is all good he can't choose to do evil things, can he?"

Good and Evil are loosly used terms. To be almighty, he cannot have both characteristics. It would make him fallable. Good and Evil are Human characteristics. A god cannot have any characteristics that would make him "Human-like" in anyway. It would make him "Imperfect."

it means to me
the psalmists belief
period

just like any post on CS
its one mans statement and belief
cannot be argued-its a belief-not being stated as fact but definitely being expressed in an emotional state.

that makes it his and none of my business. period.

you asked a simple question. thats my answer.

hey dood

It is only to Finite Beings that Good and Evil exists.
If I am Everlasting
Omnipotent
Omniscient,
there is nothing in this Universe that can faze me.Period!

Hello Stranger!!!

It doesn't mean anything to me..

It's not what I think.

I think the things that happen in our lives.. circumstance.. situations.. and WE .. make the directions our lives take..

Not this 'mapped out' *stuff*

Hi MF!

Hi Claayer!

Thanks for your thoughts.

Just another thread about something I've been pondering.

I'm in agreement with claayer. But that's the athiest in me.

MF. You have a good point, but from my understanding, the Bible is supposed to be the word (or inspired word) of God. God (if there's really free will) cannot inspire belief.

Hope things are well with you guys.

the psalms are not claimed to be the inspired word of god
they are praise to god, by a few men

so clearly it is their emotion, feeling/belief and impression/perception of their experiences
period

psalms are songs

happy new year bud
ps jesus is my homeboy

and no crap about they dont rhyme!