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This is Isreal. they did build thier state at bodies of Arabs

If Hamas did not have such a volatile presence in Gaza then likely the repercussions from their attacks would fall elsewhere. It is sad for the true innocents but no less sad than it is for the local Israelis who must face this every day for the past 60 years.
When you continuously poke a bear is it any wonder really when it turns and bites your hand off?

Well, if the bear has placed his big and arrogant arse right on top of you, the least you can do is poking him, or would you prefer to die silently and cowardly?

Biased propaganda tunes with biased minds.

No but removing the terrorist element from the local region would direct the attacks elsewhere. But the Hamas cowards are too proficient at hiding their acts amongst the poor sufferers to involve the pity of the world for their cause.

It is retaliation not instigation. Israel has enough to worry about without intentionally drawing the fire of the world every day. But they have been under assault for the entirety of their existence as a nation from those who wish nothing more than to see them erradicated.

i do really respect your opinion sir , but its just because you are seeingthe news from only one side of the story , this land is for Palestinian , not Israelis , plus , Hamas are only defending their people , while Israel is the one who keeps on killing kids while going to schools , pregnant women , its Palestinians who has been suffering since 1948 , bcz of the terrorism of Israel , not israel. watch our Tv Sir, not only your , we know how they filter the new for you to keep you simpathy .

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Terrorists? Remember the last Lebanon war in 2006 and the way the Israelis bombed the Lebanese towns just trying to create terror in the population so that they help expulsed the guerrilla fighters?

And if the terrorist nature of the Israeli state is not clear (and terrorism is that kind of destructive and intimidating method a state or human group uses to get to its own goal, I say this just in case...) we could come back to the beginning of this sad story, do you want to recall how many people were assasinated and terrorised by the zionist? I am not only counting Arabas but Westerners.
Anyway, too boring to recall all that, as boring as the phoniness of those that "worry" about the cost of innocent human lives.

There is no right to any land in reality. It is akin to two fleas arguing over who owns the dog.
The Palestinians could likely have found peace if not for the political and ethnic cleansing required by the nations surrounding Israel.
History is not written only in the West and I do not use the television as an appropriate view of current events.

What about the Israeli children who have to face countless threats from mortars and suicide bombers? Oh yes I forgot they are inhuman in those lands, no more than rabid dogs that need to be exterminated by the loving people who are just trying to live in peace.
Hamas are involved in global issues of terror and not only in Gaza, so this speaks very negatively upon their virtuous goals.

There have been far too many wrongs done on both sides and the cost to human life likewise on both sides has been far too high. But the only solution of any value to any of the Hamas or their supporters is the complete erradication of an entire nation. This is not justifiable. If you neighbour constantly did to you what the nations surrounding Israel have done for 60 years you may find your good will slightly at odds with your reactions to these blatant terrorist attacks. Especially when it is children who are being buried by their parents. Again there is no right in any of the innocent deaths but the removal of Hamas and all murderous sects is going to happen one way or another. They will continue to hide amongst the locals and use them as human shields to gain some sort of attention to their 'plight.'
How many times have the Israelis settled on a cease fire only to have the entire mess begin again?

- "There is no right to any land in reality" Wow! how profound! let´s go and tell that to any state head. Unrealistic, what a way to defend a point of view!

- "The Palestinians could likely have found peace"
Oh yes, they could. Since 1948 they experienced massacres in order to get them off the land they had lived for years. Yes, peace for them was to move silently. maybe migrate to Europe, CANADA etc, or just watch their bulldozed house occupied by an Israeli family while they go and leave in the gutter. Oh yes they could have lived in peace long ago. Actually many of the massacred have been living in peace for quite a while.

- "What about the Israeli children who have to face countless threats from mortars and suicide bombers?" I bet the Israelis are much more hardened than any coward can imagine. I do find most of the terrorist retaliation from the Arabs bad for themselves and for the Palestinian cause, but I am not there to judge properly. And I do not believe phonies that use as an argument "the poor children facing terror". haha.. phonies are too busy doing their things and they would have filled their trousers long ago if they were there.

- "Hamas are involved in global issues of terror "
Really? Ok they retaliate with the same methods used by Israel but apart from that what? I am waiting for your proof. Probably because you do not use TV to get enlightened I wonder what kind of miracolous thing you use to repeat what Bush and the Israeli Defense Minister always say.

Anyway I have not bought your "spiritual" facade, neither your profound views about the problem under treatment. No more posts I do not want to start a war and meet the end experienced by BNatural, right by your hand.

You my friend are an arrogant bigot and quite delusional on top of all of that. Al's demise is of his own conjuring not by my hand. I never reported him so keep your slander to yourself if you can. My spiritual nature is not for sale by any means and least of all to a racist anti-semite like yourself.
I am ammused that you can call all the people of Israel Zionists yet fail to comprehend the same through Hamas? Not all the people in the areas affected are on any side. In fact many are innocents who are being killed by people with the same narrow vision as yourself. Besides the rumours of Al's demise are greatly exaggerated as you could plainly see if you'd open your sorry eyes and smell the roses.

Just to add something:
Israelis settled after truces?
Well, you need more documentation, there was never such a thing for them. Thye have always been on the go to eliminate their enemies. Oh sure it is their right according to you, but it means they have never respected any truce. Their lowintensity and terrorising war (conducted by tne Mosad) is soemthing that happens everyday. Read the newspapers from the area to check on the daily things happening there.

I can see your spirituality in the way you get out of limits after the first personal thing.

Anyway, even knwoing that spirituality can go beyond rationality I would like you give an explanation why I am a bigot? You see I work on a very rigorous field and I would not admit shabby proofs. Give me a rigorous proof, just from what I say that I am a bigot with narrow views and hateful of the Israelis and their race. Hahaha
If you have not noticed I am a South American indian so I do not have one miligram of the traditional hatred many European Christian antions had against the Jews. Come on, come up with better arguments. Your "apirituality" and your way of discussing are all the same: Empty rubbish.

what about the victims from the hamas rockets ?

Calling all Israelis Zionists is condescending and empowering for a racist I suppose.
What solutions are you offering or supporting? The erradication of the State of Israel? The removal of Zionists worldwide? Extermination? You have nothing but hatred and perhaps it stems from the treatment of local indigenous peoples in your own land but again it is not right on either side.
Both nations deserve to coexist yet rather than support this you take the side of Hamas? Yeah their bombs are better and only kill rabid dogs so I guess in that you are right.
Narrow perception of human life, probably induced by an irrational hatred of the Bible. Religion is a plague on earth to be certain but killing those who believe in anything is no way to mend the world.
I do not forsee any real growth in those regions separated by gulfs that are not physical either but I do not wish to see any more attrocities on the level of Germany's persecution of the Jewish people for any nation or culture. I live in a land where the natives were decimated by Europeans and suffer for it to this day. I did not do this nor did my direct family and I will not take any part of the blame. I feel for those people and treat them as individuals worthy of respect as they choose to act in the world we live in today. Not based upon racial hatreds of years gone.
Your hatred is the rubbish here my friend and bringing something to which you have no direct knowledge proves your injurious ways of detracting from the issue by attempting to colour my judgements based on an event which did not go the way you have written it in your head and did not include you in the first place. These suppositions show quite clearly your prejudice and ability to follow the negativity like a moth to a flame.

Really?????
I have not read your whole thing yet but I just want to deal with this first...


Show me when I called ALL ISRAELIES ZIONIST
I used that word in relation to the killing just to make a difference with the palin Jews and you want to use it against me?
Or you do not know how to read clear lines or you just confirm my views about the way you have to discuss.

OK show me when I worte that? come on!!

Of course you can always use whatever means to slide out of your words but the inference is quite plain to see...

And if the terrorist nature of the Israeli state is not clear (and terrorism is that kind of destructive and intimidating method a state or human group uses to get to its own goal, I say this just in case...) we could come back to the beginning of this sad story, do you want to recall how many people were assasinated and terrorised by the zionist?

And likewise the bear analogy was in turn meant to represent Israel and you had to go and slander them again with...

Well, if the bear has placed his big and arrogant arse right on top of you...

But you have already spent most of the years of your life dodging the blame and using it to support whatever claim you decide is worthy of your energy in the present.

Beyond this simple point you clearly have no use for Jews as any who support Hamas as righteous in their attacks are supportive of their goal of the erradication of all Jews and the State of Israel in its entirety. You cannot pick and choose the parts you like in matters of sects and political parties. You either support the whole or denounce the whole in cases of such extremity. Fortunately for us in the West all the parties are the same... commercialized whores who seek to market humanity and sell it off to the highest bidder. So here at least we all have the same masters.

Well, I am geting many lessons with you.
When did I say now that the Israel state has to be eliminated or all the Zionist (did you mean all Jews?) eliminated too?

Hatred? Hitler , only Hitler? The Jews were persecuted under the direction of the Catholic Church for many years. All Europe not only Germany. And I am not descend of Europeans with anti-semite traditional hatred.

The only point of my arguing is to add one more point: The side Israel does want to forget about. And you are repeating just what they say (but you call yourself neutral, pitty for the loss , and all that) I am just bringing the other point of view.
Please use better arguments and sharpen your mind. Your proofs or so called proof are so poor. I have discussed the subject with many educated Israelis and certainly they have a much higher level of intelligence and understanding. Your phoniness is your demise.