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In this likewise I am in total disagreement. The people of Iraq should have been left alone. There is and never has been any reason to invade them but profiteering. Take Rwanda for instance, equal if not worse ethnic cleansing but no response globally as they have nothing to offer. The poor have to suffer in silence while the big brothers of the world pick and choose which wonder of the world they will claim next. A land that had the Hanging Gardens of Babylon and a culture that birthed many positive things globally is not one to which the rest of the world will turn a blind eye if there is any opportunity to invade and take it for themselves.
Iraq and Iran both have had the unfortunate circumstances of partnerships with big brothers who used them as guinea pigs to test their armaments. Just look at what weaponry they have to this date. None of it manufactured by themselves anymore, just the sell stock of nations who aquired bigger and better weapons with which to enslave those they deem inferior.
The whole of it makes me sick and the only ones who suffer are the innocent yet again.

Different kettle of fish.....

Iraq was one huge mess perpetuated by the US because there is oil. I am stating nothing new here as I have made my stand clear on other occasions......the US will never be justified for an unauthorized, illegal occupation of another country which is also going against international accords.

The definition of democracy as perpetuated by Bush in Iraq was.....is a crime against humanity.

The Middle eastern situation of Palestine is a different story entirely.

Why? Because it's sixty years old?


By the way i'm not an anti Semite - all this doesn't make sense to me.

Posted that before:

Hamas begins unprovoked rocket attacks from Gaza and Israel responds thus making clear that Israel is the ugly ogre in the situation. Since there was no such place as the nation of Palestine prior to 1948, I am wondering why Egypt, Jordan, or Syria have not created a homeland for these folks who are ethnically theirs. Moreover, when a nation of Palestine was offered upon the creation of Israel, the Arabs rejected it in favor of pushing for the destruction of Israel instead. We see how that effort has played out over the last 60 years. We should of course turn our back on the only true and functioning democracy in the middle east, it’s the right thing to do.

Very well said!!!!!

Forget the location for a second....

There have been tribes of different people in existance since time itself. But as the years unfold, our numbers keep on growing, and the space remains the same.

We have been seeing the flow of civilizations and cultures changing the landscape since history itself has been recorded. In your own land, South Africa, the Zulu nation was pushed back by the new insertion of peoples from the south. Had the British the right to call that land thier own? Did the Boers? Why? Because they were born there?

This is the same story all over the planet. This is the situation of Palestine. We have two tribes, the jews, who now have established a country called Israel, for better or for worst, internationally recognized and accepted, and we have a people who are desperately waiting for international justice to be done and give them a homeland, the Palestinians.

Striving for the destruction of one will not make the other happen.

Hamas is ready to set the whole area on fire so long as they destroy Israel.

Remove that factor from the region, and the possibility of finding solutions become more real. Or...the leaders of Hamas have to learn how to negotiate.

no comment....

Excellent point Gozoman... The same can be said of many other places.

So when exactly will the Palistinians get a little corner of their land back and retain some of their dignity?

Clearly not until Hamas and other like minded groups are removed from the equation. Far too long if you ask me but then I do not entirely blame Israel for reacting in the way they have as long as terrorists are their neighbours.

Its rather ironic how the jews suffered under the nazis and were treated like dirt and now their own murderous behaviour is not that far off what they suffered themselves

i think the iranians should fire some rockets
at tel aviv to help there brothers out

as history unfolds.

\tend to agree.....Israel has a lot to answer for......but Hamas is not the answer, nor are the rockets...

That would be a good answer for the "Who Will Start WWIII" thread.

I'ts been much of the same for many years now - going around in circles - the Palestinians always on the losing side. I'ts obvious though just talking to people, listening to news reports etc. that the Palestinian does not enjoy the same regard as the "Israeli" does.

that would really solve the problem now wouldn't it......

and result into the entire area we today know as Iran becoming a nuclear desert because believe me, if there is one country we really have to be scared WILL use nuclear is not Russia nor China, but Israel.

israel needs to be kept in line the constant defiance of u.n. resolutions

we the uk and usa armed them up
we should now disarm them

bomb them back to the stone age

Excellent observation; The Sonoma State Univerity of California has just released its report on all the censored news stories of the year.
It is called Project Censored. Each year since 1976, Project Censored has released a top-25 list of 'news that didn't make the news'---key stories they feel are "under reported, ignored, misrepresented or censored by the US corporate media.' And while the majority of the items on their list are arguably too America-centric to really impact some countries, a quick overview reveals some that reverberate both internationally and internally.
Might I recommend that those wishing to actually see the censored news from our so called 'free world media' go to :
projectcensored.org for the complete list.

ah yes....and you really expect them to sit back and smile while it is happenning?