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One needs to know the real problem in order to solve or affect change. I don't beleive that I know factually what has been going on. The weed has grwon very large and that makes it harder to find the roots. If I was a betting man (and I am on football even thou I tend to lose more than I win) my option would be to eliminate gods and holy books to begin with. Religion is a drum of unification, beaten often, it is used to join more people than one nation can muster on its own, it crosses borders, permeates society globally and makes those 'followers' members of that army of god. You can clearly see it here, the animosity between arabs and christians, no real discussion, no consideration of facts, just rock lobbing. Sadly.

The world needs to shift. Isreal cannot be and need not be, nor do they need borders.

Any real solution to this is to say the least, a momnumental task. The powers that be, who continue to lather rinse and repeat the process are firmly entrenched and hidden behind god.
This god is misused and has been since Sumar where it began.

Even if I am wrong about this, the divisiveness that is present in such a small part of this world and spreads itself out amongst mankind will take years of effort to repair. And if 6000 yrs isn't enough to prove there is no real effort from mankind as a whole, then you would have more hope than I do.

I'm not predicting the end of the world, I don't believe that will happen, nukes, blah blah blah. They've had enough knives and guns for centuries to wipe out the whole earth and have done with it. No, this is not the end, just a continuance oo what those powers are building and sucking from mankind.

Ask yourself, what does war do? What does it accomplish? Who benefits. Surely not its soldiers. Or its citizens. Fuck me, if 4 way stop signs at corners are enough to civilize man, thn the civilazation seems easy. Who does not want man to be civil? The answers would astound you.

The answer to that is the question "agreements made by whom and for whom?"

Two states! Another answer. The state of peace and the state of combat. Choose one. If we can't be peaceful here on this issue we are unwittingly their soldiers, for both sides.

In a war, civilians are killed!! Thus the term, 'War is hell'!! I would hazard a guess that 99% of all countries have killed civilians during wars in their past. Also, how many Israelis civilians have been killed in the past 60 years, hmmmm?

With the world as it is and the migrations of people throughout history, it would not be impossible that you may have some Jewish ancestry in your bloodlines. It is certainly not impossible that there may southamerican Jews of foreign decent that mixed with the indigenous Indian tribes at various times. Yet the children may look pure Indian.
Now if you happen to carry a BRCA mutation gene(which a man can carry),or a Tay Sack gene, then it might be said you may have an ancestor of eastern European Ashkenazic Jewish in your bloodlines. This is just an example. We all carry some type of genetic mutation for something I believe or we would probably go on living forever and never get ill. Jews and other ethnic heritages around the world most likely carry different mutations depending on where they originated from.
It would be a shocking revelation to find out different parts of our makeup that we didn't know about. The genetic technology is there now.
Sometimes gut feelings are right as they gnaw at our minds for an answer.

if it works its got to be good prolly save a lot of after sex arguments and prevent a lot of befor sex arguments<<cause there might not be any sex.>> better to have butter on one slice of bread and peanut butter on the other slice ,,point them together and have a strong unified sangwich with no arguments ,,and some sex or the equivelent

Good point ya have Jacob!

I AM SICK AND TIRED OF THIS FANATIC TERRORIST,AND I THINK ISRAEL SHOULD NOT STOP KILLING THEM AN TIL THE ARE GON,THE PRICE TO PAY ARE INNOCENT PEOPEL BUT HOPFULLY WE CAN CLEAN THEM OUT IN THE HOLE WORLD, IT IS SAD FOR THE CHILDREN ,BUT THE TERRORIST HAVE GOT TO GO

I AM SICK AND TIRED OF THIS FANATIC TERRORIST,AND I THINK ISRAEL SHOULD NOT STOP KILLING THEM AN TIL THE ARE GON,THE PRICE TO PAY ARE INNOCENT PEOPEL BUT HOPFULLY WE CAN CLEAN THEM OUT IN THE HOLE WORLD, IT IS SAD FOR THE CHILDREN ,BUT THE TERRORIST HAVE GOT TO GO

what's the point?
arabs and muslims are coming with thousands to live in america, Australia and Europe and cause many problems there , so why can't the jewish come to Israel?
If we do not like the Moslems to come , should we also terrorize them and blowing ourself up in busses , so that they have to defend themselves making strict rules and keep us out of our own country or building big walls to protect themselves?

60 years is but a snippet of time. maybe you meant 6000 years.

If god can kill, the most revered creature of the universe, then how can it's children be expected to behave any differently? An uncivil god fathers uncivil children.

awwshit i forgot to pop the quot botton again i tiink it refers to lilylady a bit ago statment no offence

It's not nice but if you fly with crows you get shot with them!,the Palestines should get rid of Hamas if someone kept crapping on my doorstep I would do something about it too!

You are supposed to be sick and tired. This is where hate grows and swells armies for the cause. Most will be a soldier until the war lands in their own backyard, then they will terrorized minions of retribution, dam the reason.

Your intentions like the real one of the powers that be, is not a war ON terror, but a war OF terror. Sick ... and ... tired .... is their fuel.

There is no sense here to even try to even debate anything you wish to write. A hatemonger is a hatemonger no matter what coat you may wear. Perhaps you would respectfully sit down and talk with a Rabbi and ask him about the history of the people and then pull out all your thoughts and what you found on the internet site and try to find out if they have any validity. Somehow, I doubt you would have the guts to come face to face with a Rabbi. Thank you.

If it were only crap on your doorstep. Perhaps we could minimize the dead children of war to mere poo? but for what? To off-handedly do away with their memory?

It is however a solution to one's own emotional involvement. To minimize it so it doesn't overtake our sympathy.

You are too funny...LOL!!

thought that might have got a rise!! i did believe in his policies

some people just can't stop
sadly ,their stupidity force others to wipe them out
so their strongness is also their weakness
In nature animals fight till one give up and start somewhere else
these fanatics do not know how to stop and drive the Israelies grazy
just give up and live in peace
is this worth all the killings? What did they achieve in 60 years?
I think nature it selves solve all the problems
these primitive people are producing anyway too much children
talking about birth-controll seems to be a taboo
so all this killing seems to be good for one thing

Another wealth My thoughts were more along the lines of the wealth of money/things and the wealth of self, where the machinations of the elite, control the 'self' we are not allowed to have. Real freedom from attachment.

Possibly through some of the very few Spanish ancestors I have. I have traced the possibility of some converted Jews that remained in Spain working as officers for the next two centuries before coming to SA also as officers ( court finances hehehe...) They stayed and then the mix came. I will have to examine some of the possible mutations (good suggestion)

I think if this is right all those Jews went into Spain following the Moors, maybe in several waves from North-Africa or Palestine. In another thread I have told you that the Jews were persecuted and kicked out of Spain by the Catholic Kings (or forced to get converted to avoid being burnt alive), never by the Moors.

you make so much sense jacob!!! wish you hada been on here before today.....in saying that i'm glad your on here now.............