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JacobGrimm Blah blah, Ontario Canada
Sparky55: Your comment on religion makes sense. Unfortunately, I think we'd have a better chance of inviting the planet to a worldwide pork Bar-B-Que and beer bash than have religion abolished. Besides, I am fond of the right to practice my own. The point is taken though. Religion is not used for the reasons it was intended (or is it)?


I think it is used as intended, as control, unification. To practice a beleif in god is not the same as participating in a war of god's. But I sense some protectiveness in this area, so I will press it no further.
In response to:
You pose an interesting question about what war does. Off the top of my head I would have to say it creates wealth and removes opposition to a certain group's ideals. I see this as a significant reason why this has lasted for as long as it has in the middle east. Same could be said for parts of Africa. Sad really.


wealth/profit yes.. opposition removal yes (though it doesn't seem to be removed here does it?)...However the "oppostions" ares also created by those who want/have the wealth. It is really as I said, lather rinse repeat, watch the coffers grow, as the coffins plow by.

So who is getting rich? It is as you suggest very significant.

One other purpose of war is population control. dunno

War is not the idealogy of the common man. This notion has to be set aside in favour of 'apathy and greed', even the notion of being the world's god. That notion must be ingested to totally understand power cycle at its core. Thinking of it from a common man's view leads you down a path that will not find understanding of anything but a common man's view yes?

Think apathy, greed, a mankind's god.



Sparky55 Kabul Afghanistan
Antjo39: I never knew that but I can believe if I found solid proof. It is not surprising though.
Fucking phony politicians. If I hate someone is just all of them, but I mean all of them.


Here's one link. When Arafat died it was all over the news in the US. Sad really, she was living a life of luxury in Paris and perhaps still is.

http://www.tlaxcala.es/pp.asp?reference=3608&lg=en
Hugz_n_Kissez Someplace, Ontario Canada
Early History of the Region

Before the Hebrews first migrated there around 1800 B.C., the land of Canaan was occupied by Canaanites.

“Between 3000 and 1100 B.C., Canaanite civilization covered what is today Israel, the West Bank, Lebanon and much of Syria and Jordan...Those who remained in the Jerusalem hills after the Romans expelled the Jews [in the second century A.D.] were a potpourri: farmers and vineyard growers, pagans and converts to Christianity, descendants of the Arabs, Persians, Samaritans, Greeks and old Canaanite tribes.” Marcia Kunstel and Joseph Albright, “Their Promised Land.”


The present-day Palestinians’ ancestral heritage


“But all these [different peoples who had come to Canaan] were additions, sprigs grafted onto the parent tree...And that parent tree was Canaanite...[The Arab invaders of the 7th century A.D.] made Moslem converts of the natives, settled down as residents, and intermarried with them, with the result that all are now so completely Arabized that we cannot tell where the Canaanites leave off and the Arabs begin.” Illene Beatty, “Arab and Jew in the Land of Canaan.”

The Jewish kingdoms were only one of many periods in ancient Palestine

“The extended kingdoms of David and Solomon, on which the Zionists base their territorial demands, endured for only about 73 years...Then it fell apart... if we allow independence to the entire life of the ancient Jewish kingdoms, from David’s conquest of Canaan in 1000 B.C. to the wiping out of Judah in 586 B.C., we arrive at a 414 year Jewish rule.” Illene Beatty, “Arab and Jew in the Land of Canaan.”
More on Canaanite civilization

“Recent archeological digs have provided evidence that Jerusalem was a big and fortified city already in 1800 BCE...Findings show that the sophisticated water system heretofor attributed to the conquering Israelites pre-dated them by eight centuries and was even more sophisticated than imagined...Dr. Ronny Reich, who directed the excavation along with Eli Shuikrun, said the entire system was built as a single complex by Canaanites in the Middle Bronze Period, around 1800 BCE.” The Jewish Bulletin, July 31st, 1998.

How long has Palestine been a specifically Arab country?

“Palestine became a predominately Arab and Islamic country by the end of the seventh century. Almost immediately thereafter its boundaries and its characteristics — including its name in Arabic, Filastin — became known to the entire Islamic world, as much for its fertility and beauty as for its religious significance...In 1516, Palestine became a province of the Ottoman Empire, but this made it no less fertile, no less Arab or Islamic...Sixty percent of the population was in agriculture; the balance was divided between townspeople and a relatively small nomadic group. All these people believed themselves to belong in a land called Palestine, despite their feelings that they were also members of a large Arab nation...Despite the steady arrival in Palestine of Jewish colonists after 1882, it is important to realize that not until the few weeks immediately preceding the establishment of Israel in the spring of 1948 was there ever anything other than a huge Arab majority. For example, the Jewish population in 1931 was 174,606 against a total of 1,033,314.” Edward Said, “The Question of Palestine.”


http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html



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Antjo39 Pucara, Puno Peru
leolove1: the jewish people are also the indigenous people of "Israel", palestine, Jordan, Iraq,lebanon

Oh I see your extra point now...
well
Those that came from Europe could not be indigenous anymore.
So can you come back to Europe and call yourself indigeneous? get land and all that?
This is the point... they did not have any right for the land even if some of their ancestors left Palestine long ago.
Antjo39 Pucara, Puno Peru
Sparky55: Here's one link. When Arafat died it was all over the news in the US. Sad really, she was living a life of luxury in Paris and perhaps still is.

http://www.tlaxcala.es/pp.asp?reference=3608&lg=en

Thanks for the site.




JacobGrimm Blah blah, Ontario Canada
LILLYLADY: Jacob, in answer to your question above I believe that it most likely is their own bretheren that are giving away where the weapons are stored by firing right from the building in the first place. They don't seem to be overly concerned regarding children or anyone that is inside the building before they start firing their rockets. It doesn't seem logical that they would put their children as a human shield. The IDF just traces the marker and fires right back to that location. Just as plain and simple as that! Just as plain as watching fireworks as they are being launched before they explode.


Point taken on the fireworks thumbs up


Its not like they can lauch rockets from Pallisades park is it? I mean rocket launching is somewhat limited as to area of coverage. I'm not defending the launch goons, as either side cares little for any civilians. I hardly see that as storage as well, the amunition has to moved to an area within range of targets, the children are not even an after thought. War ignores collateral damage.



Sparky55 Kabul Afghanistan
JacobGrimm: I think it is used as intended, as control, unification. To practice a beleif in god is not the same as participating in a war of god's. But I sense some protectiveness in this area, so I will press it no further. wealth/profit yes.. opposition removal yes (though it doesn't seem to be removed here does it?)...However the "oppostions" ares also created by those who want/have the wealth. It is really as I said, lather rinse repeat, watch the coffers grow, as the coffins plow by.

So who is getting rich? It is as you suggest very significant.

One other purpose of war is population control.

War is not the idealogy of the common man. This notion has to be set aside in favour of 'apathy and greed', even the notion of being the world's god. That notion must be ingested to totally understand power cycle at its core. Thinking of it from a common man's view leads you down a path that will not find understanding of anything but a common man's view yes?

Think apathy, greed, a mankind's god.


Naw, I not overly sensitive in this area. I have my own religious beliefs and keep them to myself unless asked. I wish more people did the same. Besides, you've never been invasive or overly critical.

I agree with your other comments. Hadn't thought about population control but that's certainly a result.

All this for money and power...
Antjo39 Pucara, Puno Peru
leolove1: and if you do not know the facts , that I mentioned , just read what I 've said before



"what's the point?
arabs and muslims are coming with thousands to live in america, Australia and Europe and cause many problems there , so why can't the jewish come to Israel?
If we do not like the Moslems to come , should we also terrorize them and blowing ourself up in busses , so that they have to defend themselves making strict rules and keep us out of our own country or building big walls to protect themselves?"

Ok,
Why kind of problems do they cause in your country?
And is it the Arabic inmigration similar to the occupation of Palestine by the Zionsit who then used the survivors of the Holocaust to populate the country?
You have not made any precise similarity of situations just to show how mean they are and how generous you are to let them come to your countries.
Your comment is charged with your resentment that you feel against the Arabs.
Antjo39 Pucara, Puno Peru
Antjo39: "what's the point?
arabs and muslims are coming with thousands to live in america, Australia and Europe and cause many problems there , so why can't the jewish come to Israel?
If we do not like the Moslems to come , should we also terrorize them and blowing ourself up in busses , so that they have to defend themselves making strict rules and keep us out of our own country or building big walls to protect themselves?"

Ok,
Why kind of problems do they cause in your country?
And is it the Arabic inmigration similar to the occupation of Palestine by the Zionsit who then used the survivors of the Holocaust to populate the country?
You have not made any precise similarity of situations just to show how mean they are and how generous you are to let them come to your countries.
Your comment is charged with your resentment that you feel against the Arabs.

The upper part is your stuff leolove... just in case you do not remember.
leolove1 The Hague, Zuid-Holland Netherlands
we have to think in a different way
I think that the whole world is for everyone and we must come to the situation where there are no borders anymore and we can settle everywhere , if you read my earlier quotes I mention this before
with muslims coming to Europe, we also have to accept that. we should stop claiming land and try to live together in a free world
Antjo39: Oh I see your extra point now...
well
Those that came from Europe could not be indigenous anymore.
So can you come back to Europe and call yourself indigeneous? get land and all that?
This is the point... they did not have any right for the land even if some of their ancestors left Palestine long ago.
Antjo39 Pucara, Puno Peru
leolove1: we have to think in a different way
I think that the whole world is for everyone and we must come to the situation where there are no borders anymore and we can settle everywhere , if you read my earlier quotes I mention this before
with muslims coming to Europe, we also have to accept that. we should stop claiming land and try to live together in a free world

Your statement is not real and it is only used for gaseosus discourses.
So, what if by the hand of your big ally the US tomorrow Peru claims land in your ocuntry, just in the area you live. We will go, take the land, expand through war, bulldose your house and put you in a refugee camp.
The fiction is far-fetched but I hope representative. And after that I would like to hear your "the whole world is for everyone"

You know what, the whole world is for those that are at the top of the Forbes list. You and I only have the shitty piece of land where our houses are built on.



Sparky55 Kabul Afghanistan
Hey guys, go back over the past few pages and take note how civil this thread has become. There's hope for us yet..



JacobGrimm Blah blah, Ontario Canada
Naw, I not overly sensitive in this area. I have my own religious beliefs and keep them to myself unless asked. I wish more people did the same. Besides, you've never been invasive or overly critical.

I agree with your other comments. Hadn't thought about population control but that's certainly a result.

All this for money and power...[/quote

And it's not easy for a common man to think so wickedly without becoming outraged.

The truely wicked, the one's who know and wield this power do not have this or many emotional compunctions at all. Civilians are just another brick in their wall.

Population is and has been a very big problem. Adding to this is the scare tacticts of media driven 2012, end of world prophecies all tied to Revelations and now you have millions of jesus's 'followers' wanting to be there, in the promised land for the liftoff to rapture.

All very disconcerting.
Antjo39 Pucara, Puno Peru
Sparky55: Hey guys, go back over the past few pages and take note how civil this thread has become. There's hope for us yet..

Maybe so, but I think we are just taking a break before the next wars... wine grin



JacobGrimm Blah blah, Ontario Canada
Sparky55: Naw, I not overly sensitive in this area. I have my own religious beliefs and keep them to myself unless asked. I wish more people did the same. Besides, you've never been invasive or overly critical.

I agree with your other comments. Hadn't thought about population control but that's certainly a result.

All this for money and power...


And it's not easy for a common man to think so wickedly without becoming outraged.

The truely wicked, the one's who know and wield this power do not have this or many emotional compunctions at all. Civilians are just another brick in their wall.

Population is and has been a very big problem. Adding to this is the scare tacticts of media driven 2012, end of world prophecies all tied to Revelations and now you have millions of jesus's 'followers' wanting to be there, in the promised land for the liftoff to rapture.

All very disconcerting.
leolove1 The Hague, Zuid-Holland Netherlands
look , I have nothing against anybody who wants to live together
I do not like people who think that they are better then others just because their religion
fanatics , that are brainwashed by their stupid beliefs , their ignorance is even dangerous
Antjo39: The upper part is your stuff leolove... just in case you do not remember.
littlewolf nunya, Oklahoma USA
gozoman2: Correct......

It is an orchestrated effort if you notice......when the thread starts heading in other directions then the one talking about the killing and the blood......

the op suddenly appears from nowhere to restart the argument about what crimes are being committed against the Palestinians...

and then disappears again.

It seems that this whole damn war has been meant for that one purpose....to make Israel attack so the whole world could see what criminals they are and what they are doing to the palestinians....

It seems like a manipulated scheme by Hamas to get the attention of the entire planet focused on the carnage that is taking place.

And they have succeede....we are even quarrelling among us here.....and this is just a damn DATING SITE.....
Ur right,I have been through this many times and I am not sure its not the same person.they would come on time after time with a different profile,and as u can see there will always be two or three who are with them that is seldom,seen or havent been seen before.BTW her profile says she has no children,and on the other thread,she states a wish for her 4 children. rolling on the floor laughing
Hugz_n_Kissez Someplace, Ontario Canada
Antjo39: Maybe so, but I think we are just taking a break before the next wars...



I comin over there to take over Peru...can you please send me the maps of where all the prime real-estate is located?????


wave wink innocent grin
Antjo39 Pucara, Puno Peru
Hugz_n_Kissez: I comin over there to take over Peru...can you please send me the maps of where all the prime real-estate is located?????

Baby, you will have to bring the bulldozers because I will blow up all the available ones (if your hidden plan is to invade my country)
But if you just want to stay peacefully ,my bed is wide and warm... just come over.... grin



JacobGrimm Blah blah, Ontario Canada
Hugz_n_Kissez: I comin over there to take over Peru...can you please send me the maps of where all the prime real-estate is located?????


You've always been a kind and noble interloper laugh

Usurping does not become you Hugz dancing




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