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nora83: correction ! Palestine was never a piece of desert , i do really think that you need ot read more about Palestine bfore 1948 , there was a nation, houses , academic institutions , schools , theatres , shops and even tourism , please read more about the history of Palestine before the crisis of 1948 , and they didnt really make it a fertile land , the truth is , they are distroying all the farms everyday , it was fertile before their accupation .

please lets not talk or discuss something we are not sure of .

JacobGrimm: You miss the point sir.. there is no supreme god, but the god created by man.

Until we stop like this god acts, meaning all high and mighty, and full of damnation, he then still exists in us.

His removal comes from inside of you.

linarl: Very good point. Mr. Leolove maybe need to read more about the facts. Besides, why a state for Jews? Yeah, what was the point of it again?

cosmicwonderer: Look mister holyman you dont have to scold me cause I know perfectly well what I´m saying about the g-d of Abraham. So get on your bike and find another punchbag

In response to: Gaza is a tiny ghetto with civilians crammed in together there is no place to hide yet the israelis still continue to murder and justify their murder everytime.

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The Israelis as ive repeatedly alluded to have morphed into what they despise the most a ruthless murder machine driven by propaganda and subterfuge ultimately however tragically just like their tormenters the Nazis.

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What a brilliant way to fight a war though i put a gun to my opponents head and kill him , its his fault , he kills my comrade, its his fault , i point a gun and kill my opponents friend children etc , its still his fault.

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Whether you like it or not this is the exact strategy that the nazis used and Israelis have quite splendidly adopted it themselves in short they are never wrong its always the victims fault.

JacobGrimm: ok god.

arranroot: Lots of people can feel the change coming on. Evil isnt global, its human. A world government will rise and like every other government with very very few exceptions it will eventually become corrupt.

arranroot: New world order? Like the Roman Empire, British Empire, loads of Empires over in China, Mongolia, etc., etc., thats our history so its easy to predict, its like predicting a wheel will go round and round and round and ..... you get the point Its going to happen because thats how we humans exist.

RayfromUSA: Ahh but there is a difference this time.

The New World Order rising at the moment will be truly global.

A single economy.
A single currency.
A single government.
etc.

And to bring it all together they intend to institute a new global religion as well.

Some sort of pseudo-scientific mumbo-jumbo similar to Kabbalism/Quantum Physics/The Secret etc.

cosmicwonderer: Bless you my son now go and get crucified so that you may redeeem mankind.

CjTenorSax: We do stand up to our leaders -it is called an Election.

linarl: Very good point. Mr. Leolove maybe need to read more about the facts. Besides, why a state for Jews? Yeah, what was the point of it again?

In response to: Really? What an argument!! how comes there are still Jews then after all the concentration camps?

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I think killing is killing being done after gathering people in a camp or targeting your fire toward civilians and children in a UN shcool. You do not have to gather the people sometimes, you just need to do the killing.

RayfromUSA: Ahh but there is a difference this time.

The New World Order rising at the moment will be truly global.

A single economy.
A single currency.
A single government.
etc.

And to bring it all together they intend to institute a new global religion as well.

Some sort of pseudo-scientific mumbo-jumbo similar to Kabbalism/Quantum Physics/The Secret etc.

LILLYLADY: Thank you Nora for your response. You have my admiration and respect for all the pain that you feel in your heart.
As I have mentioned in my posting to you, the Jews have never left the land in question over the 1000s of years, nor have your people either. Both were displaced or driven out on both sides. But many of both peoples were able to remain there and many descendants have come back to the area of their ancestors origins.
Both nations as descendants of Abraham should be able to share the land, not anihilate the other for the right to own everything. Hence the historical battles started happening and continue to this day.
I did see the CNN article where Hamas fired at Israel from a school right by the refugee camps and Israel fired back, thus killing many children. I cannot understand why anyone would shoot at their enemy and put their children right in the line of fire where the enemy is firing at them. Is this a religious obligation to do this? I do not understand the Islamic law if this is something that is approved of. This is not meant as a sarcastic question but truly, something that perhaps you might be able to clarify.
I have also just read on today's CNN a commentary by Arsalan Ilftikhar where he believes both sides are wrong in Gaza. He blames Hamas for provoking Israel with missle fire and then the disproportionate use of military retaliation by the Israelis. The entire article gives one pause to think with some deep thinking, being written by a man of middle eastern Islamic decent.
Bottom line here Nora is that both sides of the civilians have suffered, emotionally and physically. It will either come down to where Hamas is totally surrounded and will either hide themselves and shoot and continue to put their civilians in the crossfire or have the courage to lay down their weapons and sign a permanent peace treaty with Israel. I believe the Palestinian peoples future and recognition for statehood lies in having the honor to sign a peace treaty and permanently honor it. No more rockets into Israel, no more human life shed on either side.
They would not be the first to sign a peace treaty with the enemy in the entire history of the world. Japan and Egypt are examples of what could be acheived with a lasting peace with their sworn enemy...a chance for future generations. It has to be a lasting peace Nora for your people to have a chance. Please correct me if I'm wrong in stating that Japan and Egypt overall live in peace with their prior enemies. No bombs being dropped on each other that is.
Again, thanks for your posting.

linarl: I beg to differ. Look up concentration camps on google and read. It is nothing like what the Nazis did, if it were there would be no Palestinian problem as there would be no Palestinians.

Really? What an argument!! how comes there are still Jews then after all the concentration camps?
I think killing is killing being done after gathering people in a camp or targeting your fire toward civilians and children in a UN shcool. You do not have to gather the people sometimes, you just need to do the killing.

leolove1: if you make a neutral state that is ruled by the majority , you will end up in the same way , that is democracy , if you like it or not, the country will be ruled by the Jewish
and it was a piece of dessert , with some small dwellings as i mentioned before . all the academics , theaters and so on were found in Jerusalem and some tiny villages
but the fast aria was dessert, I think that you might find a better geological source

LILLYLADY: Oh my gosh! You are calling "Quantum Physics and the Secret" pseudo-scientific mumbo-jumbo? Guess you are now challenging Stressfree and QueenofAngels and others into this one if they see your comment. Perhaps this would be a good one for you to post for a new thread. Stress and Queen will beat you to death for calling their philosophies mumbo-jumbo. You will not win.

Prepare for verbal death from them! They will not be civil to you in any sense of the word undoubtably.

leolove1: you take everything out of proportion and color it your way , I think you must relevate a bit more
and see it in the right perspective