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JacobGrimm Blah blah, Ontario Canada
Sparky55: That's an interesting point. I've always considered this a family squabble and from my experiance, it's never good to find oneself in the middle of a family squabble.


Except that 'the family' is now pretty flippin big Sparky
PiratePilot Providenciales Turks and Caicos Islands
First of all,,,not pro Israel fan,,,,am sociologist by degree,,,so,,,I do try to be objective.
Hamas provoked this with all their rockets and mortars into Israel for weeks.
Israel soaked this up and finally said,,,enough is enough and retaliated.
Now if you are up on your news, Hamas wanted Israel to commit to a ground war ,,,,and that is what is happening now. But Israel knows it can not or would have a hard time with city Guerrilla warfare.

So,,,presently they are splitting up the city aka supply routes to keep the rockets and mortars from being sent to Israel.

Yes, is unfortunate bout civilian casualties, but think,,,they instigated this,,,,

This is not genocide,,,,just ,,,,,

Anyway,,,,get your facts straight about these religious fanatics,,,

oh,,,what a concept,,,what if in america,,,all the religions were at war with each other,,,,wouldn't that be a stitch,,,,but we aren't.

Gaza needs to be absorbed for once and for all,,,to have a small sanction of state surrounded and instigating trouble all the time,,,,

Would be like Cuba sending missles to Florida and we did nothing,,,,

Think about it...

and yes I have lived overseas for YEARS,,,,can you say that,,,,
Frickin spoiled Amerikanos,,,,,,well,,,ur getting me started,,,now i stop
Rick309 New Castle, Indiana USA
By the relentless drumbeat of Arab propaganda, the impression has taken hold that the "Palestinians" in Judea/Samaria are a distinct and unique people. But that just isn't so. The concept of separate "Palestinian" peoplehood is a new one. It did not exist before 1967. The reality is that the so-called "Palestinians" in this area are exactly the same people — undifferentiated in dialect, dress, social customs or anything else — from the Palestinian Arabs in Jordan. A second Palestinian peoplehood is a myth. It was created for the purpose of laying claim to Judea/Samaria (the "West Bank") in the first instance, and for its use as a launching pad for the destruction of Israel proper thereafter.
Conrad73 Lonesome Town Zurich, Zrich Switzerland
PiratePilot: First of all,,,not pro Israel fan,,,,am sociologist by degree,,,so,,,I do try to be objective.
Hamas provoked this with all their rockets and mortars into Israel for weeks.
Israel soaked this up and finally said,,,enough is enough and retaliated.
Now if you are up on your news, Hamas wanted Israel to commit to a ground war ,,,,and that is what is happening now. But Israel knows it can not or would have a hard time with city Guerrilla warfare.

So,,,presently they are splitting up the city aka supply routes to keep the rockets and mortars from being sent to Israel.

Yes, is unfortunate bout civilian casualties, but think,,,they instigated this,,,,

This is not genocide,,,,just ,,,,,

Anyway,,,,get your facts straight about these religious fanatics,,,

oh,,,what a concept,,,what if in america,,,all the religions were at war with each other,,,,wouldn't that be a stitch,,,,but we aren't.

Gaza needs to be absorbed for once and for all,,,to have a small sanction of state surrounded and instigating trouble all the time,,,,

Would be like Cuba sending missles to Florida and we did nothing,,,,

Think about it...

and yes I have lived overseas for YEARS,,,,can you say that,,,,
Frickin spoiled Amerikanos,,,,,,well,,,ur getting me started,,,now i stop
Hey Fellow,eat some Boiled Fish for me ,hmmm?grin wave



JacobGrimm Blah blah, Ontario Canada
RobbieM: The point Hugs is making is that even recent Jewish journalists have written that injustice is making the problem even far worse.

Not all Jewish people are hell bent on killing as many Arabs and would like to peacefully co exist.

There was a time when rational thought was and would be appreciated, but when it comes to Israel and the Palestinians it seems history has been forgotten, somehow the Jews with the resources, the military backing and the propaganda behind them forgot that the Allied countries gave them the land after world war one.

God didn't.....the Superpower at the time did.....Britain, and the other allies.

To say this has caused an enormous problem with the deportation of the Arabs that were already there was a recipe for disaster.

But then again the mentality of the rich and powerful then was normal people in the country didn't even matter, we lived by "out leave" and were able to be drafted into the wars to go off and kill out neighbours on the basis of queen and country and we didn't even have right to say no!

If you were part of a family that somehow managed to avoid having someone blown to smithereens by artillery or cut in half with a machine gun for queen and country, then the chances are you were in the ruling elite anyway.

So with this in mind it's easy to explain the mentality that if we don't even matter to the powers that be, Arabs meant even less to them, and their was nothing having with a patch of desert out their anyway( to coin a phrase).

When you have Jewish American officials running the peace process like say Henry Kissinger, or Madeleine Albright what on earth the chances are for a positive outcome that would appear balanced for both parties. I'd say Zero was a fair guess.

It's time to be reasonable, fair minded and considrate, and that means the rabbid Jew and maniac fundamentalist Muslim putting down their weapons, sitting down and being FAIR!

I have the solution, peace....and living together in an equal society.

One day someone with a real backbone will stand up to the manics and pressure groups and say, peace or else the funding and military aid stops.

You watch how fast peace will happen if the aid stops.


Good points in the first part Rob. I doubt the WB would allow what you propose at the end. Oh they may allow some peudo peace for a time, but this area has always been a 'lather, rinse, repeat' playground for the eliteh who benefit from dis-ease and it's economic benefits.

Wasn't the WB formed around the time they did away with Hitler and placed the jews, as well? Just curious.
PiratePilot Providenciales Turks and Caicos Islands
Got fish,,will Boil,,,oh ya,,,live on tropical island,,,,no problem
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha,,,,is healthy,,,thou,,thanks!!!banana
Sparky55 Kabul Afghanistan
JacobGrimm: Except that 'the family' is now pretty flippin big Sparky


No doubt, pretty damn big...

It is an interesting story about Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac. They're all one big if unhappy family.
RobbieM Hertford, Hertfordshire, England UK
The key to stopping the aggresive nature in he area is stop military aid, but it's the aame anywhere, there are groups pro and against in any conflict in any region.

I could give lots of examples, but that is pointless as people won't even listen or pay attention anyway.

The key is the "will" of the powers that be to be willing and use this cosh to tell all insundry that we shall and will not tollerate this situation any longer.

My suggestions.

To OPEC, RIIF, CFR, TAVISTOCK and everyone else, time to adopt a policy of either financilly coercing the Jewish state into making them behave or face the International Community expelling them from the UN.

Then let any private donors like say the Rothschilds support the state.....and not the American taxpayer, like so many others.

Then tell the Arabs, coexist peacefully or the UN will send a internationally made up army and disarm every individial in the middle east, at gunpoint.

If there is is any local terrorism, instigated by any foriegn nation they will face punitive measures from the world community.

That is what the UN is for, now let's make sure that it isn't undermined as done previously.

Oh, and please no more foreign "wetwork".
LILLYLADY 10 Sneeze Town, Ohio USA
Thanks Robbie but I would like to hear from Hugz on this one.

Your comments are appreciated though and I will give them some thought. But I do think it is better to deal with the officials running around today that are going over to the Middleast, Condaliza and also the Arab and other foreign leaders, most of whom aren't Jewish anyway. Can they all do any better than Kissinger or Albright to acheive a positive outcome. If you feel that it was a religion issue, then these 2 Jews would have wanted peace to happen so not one more Jewish life would be lost in Israel or anywhere in the world for that matter, especially considering the wholesale free slaughter of the Jews of WW2. I didn't want to bring up WW2 but only would do so as a reason why these leaders would want to have a peace. So I don't buy into the religion issue with Kissinger and Albright as a reason that the peace couldn't happen. One can always use the religion or a race card when something doesn't work out they way they want it. It really shouldn't matter one bit what the religion or the skin color of various ethnic negotiators are and I doubt it really mattered then(except to the arabs)....just whether today they can do a better job of working with the leaders of Hamas and Israel that are in power now. Would anyone else have made a difference back then to bring peace beside the efforts of Kissinger or Albright if they weren't Jewish? I really doubt it! That is truly why I'm not giving alot of thought to the old commentaries and wish to stick with what is going on today. As you know, many of the Israelis are also black Jews of Ethiopian decent by birth as a direct descendant of Solomon and Bathsheba. Another generation of lives has passed and passed away already on both sides. No telling if someone of those that died would have been the person or persons or their offspring in a future generation that would have figured out how to bring peace to the region. It is such a tragic loss of life for all!! Just my peaceful opinion to your comment Robbie. Again, thank you for your reply.
dinncat limerick, Limerick Ireland
This is a beautiful site for beautiful people that are looking for love ,this site is about respect and love ,so many stupid red necks that can and wont understand , that killing is bad , that in real terms all religious books promote love but some red stupid necks are saying no we are the chosen people and we only love who believes in our book rest will die ,these people are not people,God and only god has the right to take a life ,any body else takes life gets the electric chair,Mosess Ibraham Jesuss Mohamed they all are about love.
God please send us Nouh and God please start this life again cause to many rich to many poor to many bombs and far to many innocent deaths , this site is for humans only ,for people promoting love life respect and laughter and joyful matrimony ,you racist nazi ass hole stick your head down the toilet and save me the hassle of embarrassing you ,learn to love learn to love earth is for all of us , not for some of you feed others and eat ,you really think people are afraid of your bombs and planes , look it we are all dyeing , and we will all die alone and in peace , so save your breath for your day of death cause its coming to you , so before you go ,leave in a word of love to incorrig love respect and help , that maybe earth will be better for our kids any thing else stick your head in toilet ,



nora83 Amman Jordan
littlewolf: You are still mistakely thinking everyone on CS is Stupid.


no i dont madam , but i also dont think that the hunderds of thousands all overthe world , who went protesting during last week and this week , are stupid nither.




nora83 Amman Jordan
littlewolf: You are still mistakely thinking everyone on CS is Stupid.


no i dont madam , but i also dont think that the hunderds of thousands all overthe world , who went protesting during last week and this week , are stupid nither.

gozoman2 Xaghra, Gozo Malta
Hamas has enshrined in it's beliefs the following two articles.

1: The annihilation of Israel.

2: The adaptation of Koranic Law to run the country.


In the first instance, Israel is the West. Waging armed attack on Israel is equivalent to attacking the West.

Western society is secular. All of our political system abide by differentiating between Church, (or Religion), and State.

We all want to see a Free Independant and DEMOCRATIC palestine for the palestinian people....

but with Hamas ruling it, that becomes, and is a direct threat to the security and freedom of all other societies in the area who have chosen democracy to rule by.

Be they Arab, Western, Catholic or Muslim.

wine
gozoman2 Xaghra, Gozo Malta
nora83: no i dont madam , but i also dont think that the hunderds of thousands all overthe world , who went protesting during last week and this week , are stupid nither.


There are hundreds of thousands more who would back the Palestinian cause for a homeland if you change the manner you are trying to convince us of your rights.

I would be the first.

Show me peace......and I will be the first to fight openly for your cause.



nora83 Amman Jordan
littlewolf: She is if we let her or him be.Its the same as all before her,they are here to stir up trouble.But I do agree with u.I only got in on the other thread when she threatened Indy.Terrioists use these sites to incite hatred,and some fall for it.


i do really ask you to keep the decent polite language , i told you before and again i repeat , u r my mother's age and i dont want to be rude , plus we are suppose to use a better language , if you have something to share , you are welcome , if not , not need to under-istemate others , please
gozoman2 Xaghra, Gozo Malta
Posted this morning on the other thread:

News Updates:

Diplomacy in Action.

Cairo appears to be the crossroads of major diplomatic efforts to stop the carnage.

An EU delegation led by Commissioner Solana and made up of the three amabassadors fo France, Chech Rep. and Sweden are flying out for talks.

It is also reported that a Hamas delegation has accepted the Egyptian invitation for talks in Cairo.

Meantime, French President Nicolas Sarkosy will today arrive in Cairo for talks, before embarking on a tour that will take him to Israel, Lebanon and Damascus in Syria, where he is expected to meet President Assan.

Meantime, the border between Egypt and Gaza remains closed in Rafa.
Ambulances are driving the wounded to the border where they are then being transferred to Egyptian hospitals, but no supplies of any kind are being allowed to go trough.

Russia has also started it's own diplomatic effort and President Mediedev has set up a Task Force to get into action to try and negotiate some form of cease fire in the area.

It is unfortunate to note however, that Israel has declined Russia's invitation. Diplomatic relations between the two countries are however defined as excellent by both parties.

Russia's intervention is crucial to any form of accord in the Middle east, one, due to the country having more then 25,000,000 muslims within it's own borders, and also because of the influence that Russia has on Iran.

later on today we should see the UN Security Council meeting once again on the matter. It is unfortunate however, that there is a veto being presently imposed by the US which is making the Secuirty Council ineffective in this matter.


Note: The above had been on the BBC, RAI and AL Jazeera this morning....may have been some updates since then.
JacobGrimm: this 'thing' has been ongoing for almost 6000 yrs. Only way to seal a leak is to follow it back to its source.



Sparky55: That's an interesting point. I've always considered this a family squabble and from my experiance, it's never good to find oneself in the middle of a family squabble.



Very good point, Sparky. My Father taught us it is a family squabble and we had a choice to join the squabble thereby continuing it,


OR

To honor the more important thing behind it, that is that we are decendents of two brothers, from the same Father, regardless of how they came about.

Therefore for better or worse, we ARE family and that should be all that matters and where the focus should be.

Unfortunately, many choose to fuel the fight.
hug hug
littlewolf nunya, Oklahoma USA
JacobGrimm: Its current events, about trouble that's already stirred up. where the heck is your head at?
I will not fight with such a question,Childish.My head is where it should be,tk u for asking. rolling on the floor laughing



cosmicwonderer stockholm, Stockholm Sweden
If the powers behind the creation of NWO succeed in establishing this cosmic farce, they will only controlling their own sick backyard because the rest of us free men will NEVER succumb to their pathological need for control. The cosmos is free they may kill our bodies but they can NEVER own our souls. WE WILL DIE FIGHTING no matter what demons they send against US. Everybody with a grain of intelligence knows that the god of Abraham, creator of 3 unholy religions is NOT OUR SUPREME BEING, whatever THAT may BE. So keep this shitty dying planet and shove it up your fornicated arseholes all you ILLUMINATI LIZARDS. We ain`t losing anything. DEATH is better than a miserable life. So keep on with the sick show lets see where its going all you perverted skull and bones satanist power starved maggots.tongue
gozoman2 Xaghra, Gozo Malta
cosmicwonderer: If the powers behind the creation of NWO succeed in establishing this cosmic farce, they will only controlling their own sick backyard because the rest of us free men will NEVER succumb to their pathological need for control. The cosmos is free they may kill our bodies but they can NEVER own our souls. WE WILL DIE FIGHTING no matter what demons they send against US. Everybody with a grain of intelligence knows that the god of Abraham, creator of 3 unholy religions is NOT OUR SUPREME BEING, whatever THAT may BE. So keep this shitty dying planet and shove it up your fornicated arseholes all you ILLUMINATI LIZARDS. We ain`t losing anything. DEATH is better than a miserable life. So keep on with the sick show lets see where its going all you perverted skull and bones satanist power starved maggots.


Which acid are you on kiddo?




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