Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !

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CjTenorSax: JacobGrimm: this 'thing' has been ongoing for almost 6000 yrs. Only way to seal a leak is to follow it back to its source.
Very good point, Sparky. My Father taught us it is a family squabble and we had a choice to join the squabble thereby continuing it, OR

To honor the more important thing behind it, that is that we are decendents of two brothers, from the same Father, regardless of how they came about.

Therefore for better or worse, we ARE family and that should be all that matters and where the focus should be.

Unfortunately, many choose to fuel the fight.


Also, I am Jewish.hug smitten
LILLYLADY 10 Sneeze Town, Ohio USA
gozoman2: Posted this morning on the other thread:

News Updates:

Diplomacy in Action.

Cairo appears to be the crossroads of major diplomatic efforts to stop the carnage.

An EU delegation led by Commissioner Solana and made up of the three amabassadors fo France, Chech Rep. and Sweden are flying out for talks.

It is also reported that a Hamas delegation has accepted the Egyptian invitation for talks in Cairo.

Meantime, French President Nicolas Sarkosy will today arrive in Cairo for talks, before embarking on a tour that will take him to Israel, Lebanon and Damascus in Syria, where he is expected to meet President Assan.

Meantime, the border between Egypt and Gaza remains closed in Rafa.
Ambulances are driving the wounded to the border where they are then being transferred to Egyptian hospitals, but no supplies of any kind are being allowed to go trough.

Russia has also started it's own diplomatic effort and President Mediedev has set up a Task Force to get into action to try and negotiate some form of cease fire in the area.

It is unfortunate to note however, that Israel has declined Russia's invitation. Diplomatic relations between the two countries are however defined as excellent by both parties.

Russia's intervention is crucial to any form of accord in the Middle east, one, due to the country having more then 25,000,000 muslims within it's own borders, and also because of the influence that Russia has on Iran.

later on today we should see the UN Security Council meeting once again on the matter. It is unfortunate however, that there is a veto being presently imposed by the US which is making the Secuirty Council ineffective in this matter.Note: The above had been on the BBC, RAI and AL Jazeera this morning....may have been some updates since then.



It said that the Palestinian guards on the other side of the gate who are responsible for the opening of the gates have abandoned their posts. What are the Palestinians doing to get the supplies in if they are not there to open the gates? The Israelis have allowed the humanitarian supplies to go in but there is no one to allow them in. I'm a bit confused on this one here. Perhaps Hamas leaders have some type of idea in mind for which of his soldiers or which one of them should be going to the gate to let the supplies in?
littlewolf nunya, Oklahoma USA
PiratePilot: First of all,,,not pro Israel fan,,,,am sociologist by degree,,,so,,,I do try to be objective.
Hamas provoked this with all their rockets and mortars into Israel for weeks.
Israel soaked this up and finally said,,,enough is enough and retaliated.
Now if you are up on your news, Hamas wanted Israel to commit to a ground war ,,,,and that is what is happening now. But Israel knows it can not or would have a hard time with city Guerrilla warfare.

So,,,presently they are splitting up the city aka supply routes to keep the rockets and mortars from being sent to Israel.

Yes, is unfortunate bout civilian casualties, but think,,,they instigated this,,,,

This is not genocide,,,,just ,,,,,

Anyway,,,,get your facts straight about these religious fanatics,,,

oh,,,what a concept,,,what if in america,,,all the religions were at war with each other,,,,wouldn't that be a stitch,,,,but we aren't.

Gaza needs to be absorbed for once and for all,,,to have a small sanction of state surrounded and instigating trouble all the time,,,,

Would be like Cuba sending missles to Florida and we did nothing,,,,

Think about it...

and yes I have lived overseas for YEARS,,,,can you say that,,,,
Frickin spoiled Amerikanos,,,,,,well,,,ur getting me started,,,now i stop
You sir are right.they push them into fights,and I might add theses forums are being made to do the same.thumbs up
littlewolf nunya, Oklahoma USA
nora83: i do really ask you to keep the decent polite language , i told you before and again i repeat , u r my mother's age and i dont want to be rude , plus we are suppose to use a better language , if you have something to share , you are welcome , if not , not need to under-istemate others , please
I really bug u dont I?????And the truth hurts.rolling on the floor laughing
gozoman2 Xaghra, Gozo Malta
littlewolf: You sir are right.they push them into fights,and I might add theses forums are being made to do the same.


Correct......

It is an orchestrated effort if you notice......when the thread starts heading in other directions then the one talking about the killing and the blood......

the op suddenly appears from nowhere to restart the argument about what crimes are being committed against the Palestinians...

and then disappears again.

It seems that this whole damn war has been meant for that one purpose....to make Israel attack so the whole world could see what criminals they are and what they are doing to the palestinians....

It seems like a manipulated scheme by Hamas to get the attention of the entire planet focused on the carnage that is taking place.

And they have succeede....we are even quarrelling among us here.....and this is just a damn DATING SITE.....



nora83 Amman Jordan
proline789: I think it's a wicked crime! There has been a new Holocaust in Palestine for the past 60 years yet the international community does nothing because it's happening over time as opposed to all at once like WWII.



true ! new holocaust ! but who cares ! its just bcz the vitims are Palestinians only ,if they were jews ot any other , the whole world would do something and fast .
gozoman2 Xaghra, Gozo Malta
nora83: true ! new holocaust ! but who cares ! its just bcz the vitims are Palestinians only ,if they were jews ot any other , the whole world would do something and fast .


Give us a solution....stop spewing hate.



JacobGrimm Blah blah, Ontario Canada
littlewolf: I will not fight with such a question,Childish.My head is where it should be,tk u for asking.


All youre doing from what I can see is trying to antogonise the OP, which smacks of some personal issue.

Regardless of what side she chooses, she has been forthright and upright while you do nothing but attempt to slam her, without discussing her opinions. I have seen no opinion from you. At least she has the nuts to be here duscussing what is and has been a very serious problem for centuries.

Seems to me you would make a very good rocket lobber.


childish is as childish does. wine
RobbieM Hertford, Hertfordshire, England UK
Thanks Robbie but I would like to hear from Hugz on this one.

Condi Rice for all her faults is a "Hawk", and therefore is not a person of shall we say reliable moral fortitude after the fiasco that has come about after the "Hawks" got their way up on the Hill and pulled a "fast one" on the public to get and maintain the moral backing of entering Iraq on the basis of WMD's, then regime change and then anything else they can come up with.

The part i am trying to convey is they have no objectivity, no neutrality, no respect from the International Community, not just from Arabs that won't trust them, but i wouldn't either.

As you know i know more than a little about the Intelligence Business, ways and means,the way people really get things done.So on this basis i was and do feel sorry for most of the Central Intelligence Agency and other agencies who pointed out in detail, as did MI6 that the claims the politicians could not be substantiated....and it was very dangerous ground to be making claims about WMD's, the capability that a threat of 45 minutes for delivery of these into Western Europe.

This as any analyst or General who is honest will tell you isn't possible....but i will explain this, as the politician didn't, and i'll tell you why as well.

Iraq was in possession of the means to deliver artillery rounds/mortars with a very local range, with a chemical capability....and it was this that was capable to be done within 45 minutes.

Through the lack of information, and inferring another capability the public, and i dare say politicians assumed that they had long range missile capability which they didn't, and this is standard fodder for a career minded politician, who will weasle word their written responses on the basis of avoiding actually using facts so they cannot at a later date put them in fear of their position.

In other words they will try their absolute best to avoid using facts so they cant be called a liar at a later point and be forced to resign.

Now the Intelligence Business wasn't to blame, they told and briefed everyone.Colin Powell must have known, he had to as a military man that what he was saying was just not true, he would have been warned and briefed in great detail by possibly George Tennant (in person) that they could not, as an intelligence agency state that at best the information was "unreliable".

If someone tells you an intelligence report is unreliable and sporadic, what it really means is there is no evidence whatsoever, thats what it really says, but the person writing the report now, in the current climate will reference claims, so his position is not called into doubt at a later point.

In short, you just cant trust the people that started the Iraq war on the basis that they are liars, and should not be trusted to even run a cookie stall without supervision at a local fete, never mind the "Peace Process".
RobbieM Hertford, Hertfordshire, England UK
Hans Blick was independent, so were the UN weapon's inspectors, so next time respect the UN, provide material and men on demand and let the UN take the strain....thats what its for.

Religion is not in any way connected to my comments regarding Kissinger/Albright...it's a case of being neutral and independent for both sides, which clearly being Jewish this was not possible, and it also gives way to accusations of collusion with the State of Israel, which clearly the Arab's will find shall we say less than open minded and fair.

This is just plain disingenuous on the politicians, and going through the motions while oil production is maintained and delivered to the Western World, which we all rely upon.

This situation will require people with real guts to sit down and come to an agreement, and if i were in a psition of power i would get the arabs together and say oil production, pause it now, immediately and say stop to Israel.If they don't stop i would then say as a spokesman to the world press, Oil production and cost will increase due to we have the assets, you won't behave to our friends, so we will curb your supply till you behave.

You watch how fast the politicians will gang up on the Israeli's to behave and military aid is frozen with immediate effect.

If people wont behave of their own accord, they have to be coerced into it.

Russia could also do the same with gas supply, and i suppose then all parties would then be forced to the negotiation table.

Remember what the oil embargo cutting oil supply to Japan did?

They then had to turn to military action to secure resources.....with the loss of life that followed.



cosmicwonderer stockholm, Stockholm Sweden
Anybody on my side or are you just gonna keep looking at this comedy from all possible angles until you miss the whole point?KNOW YOUR ENEMY i.e The apex of the pyramid of EVIL = NAZI VATICAN POPE + MASONIC ZIONIST ELITE + ISLAM CHAUVINISM = UNHOLY TRINITY.



Wantedman Hamilton, Ontario Canada
BarrenPneuma: How do you feel about the 160 or so children killed by your muederous brothers and sisters in your cowardly sect of murderers? I pray you never have to face your God for your support of the death of these innocent lost souls. WHatever God you have surely wil not take kindly to killing His children for a patch of dirt.
Do have a pleasant day and try to remember that while you seek to garner support for terrorists (Hamas) almost 200 children will never see the light of day that shines on you today.



Well said! thumbs up



cosmicwonderer stockholm, Stockholm Sweden
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JacobGrimm Blah blah, Ontario Canada
In response to: nora83: true ! new holocaust ! but who cares ! its just bcz the vitims are Palestinians only ,if they were jews ot any other , the whole world would do something and fast .



gozoman2: Give us a solution....stop spewing hate.


where's this hate? uh oh roll eyes

upset, yes, victim, yes .. but I don't see the hate, even though there might be some entitlement to it, simply as a feeling.
Conrad73 Lonesome Town Zurich, Zrich Switzerland
cosmicwonderer: Anybody on my side or are you just gonna keep looking at this comedy from all possible angles until you miss the whole point?KNOW YOUR ENEMY i.e The apex of the pyramid of EVIL = NAZI VATICAN POPE + MASONIC ZIONIST ELITE + ISLAM CHAUVINISM = UNHOLY TRINITY.
More Conspiracy Theory?dunno confused



JacobGrimm Blah blah, Ontario Canada
Conrad73: More Conspiracy Theory?


no the pope is real laugh



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gozoman2 Xaghra, Gozo Malta
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romanticman4u brainerd, Minnesota USA
LILLYLADY: As Tzipi Livni stated today on CNN:
Before the military operation, Hamas targets Israelis whenever it likes and Israel shows restraint. This is no longer going to be the equation. When Israel is targeted, Israel is going to retaliate.
Mahmoud al-Zahir states the the Quassam rockets are not the problem but the military seige by the Israelis. He also goes on to say that the Israelis have bombed mosques, schools, hospitals, children and their homes. (Of course he does not mention that the Hamas fighters are hiding and shooting at the Israelis from those sites nor does he even mention that caches of weapons or bomb making factories that are hidden in these places) And he also says that he will not stop the rocket firing in spite of at least 500 of his people dying and more dying everyday. Now that is really quite some leader who wants to get his people a homeland to live in peace.
Perhaps CNN should do a historical pictorial review for comparison of the Israeli devastation and loss of lives from the rockets and suicide bombers that have taken so many Israeli lives over time. And you wonder why the Israeli people are so hardened and yet are suppossed to show restraint?
Israel pulled out of Gaza 2 yrs ago to give the people a chance to form their own govt and set up a peaceful state for themselves and they wound up killing each other and leaving Israel alone for awhile. They have not proven to themselves or the world that they are ready for an independent state that can live side by side in peace with all their neighbors. When they are truly committed to a permanent lasting peace, then and only then will they have a state.
You asked CSers what they think in your forum and this is what I think.
You asked CSers what they think and this is my view.
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cosmik_debris Shelton, Connecticut USA
Personally Im sick of it all. There will never be an end to this as long as there is 1 Israeli and 1 Arab left alive. The hatred just runs far to deep.

I say, go in. take away the guns and modern weaponry and throw out a couple of million swords and let 'em have at it till its finished one way or the other.




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