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gozoman2: Good God....(Gods....Spirit...whatever).....

With all the noise coming out of this thread I can no longer hear myself think......

Now wouldn't it be so much better if everybody concentrated their energies on getting laid?

then maybe we will have some PEACE.....

Antjo39: Shit, be careful the fucking Mosad can locate your computer position. Maybe they have already done it.... I would show them my arse, well-depicted through my good web-cam...
Keep fighting, you Viking warrior...

response concerning LILLYLADY's supposed genetic proof that the Ashkenazim are descended from ancient Jews: .

LILLYLADY: PEACE? Or do you mean have some PIECE?

arranroot: Insight? Even if that happens to be true is it reason to slaughter HUNDREDS of innocent people? You muppet, what rubbish are you spewing? Does anyone want to live in a world where the consequences of a person from one country killing a person from another country is hundreds of civilians killed by an army? Insight? What you are saying is that if an Irishman get killed in America its acceptable for the Irish army to invade America ya thats likely to happen but what if a Chinese person were to get murdered while on holidays in Nepal? Bend over Nepal insight

gozoman2: ....just saw this......

go have a cold shower......

might knock your brain cells back in order....

'night.....

Hugz_n_Kissez: Local Jews slam union ban idea

Israelis can't teach at Ont. universities unless they condemn Gaza attacks

By TAMAS VIRAG, SUN MEDIA



Members of the local Israeli and Jewish communities are outraged by a proposed resolution by a major Ontario union to ban Israeli academics from that province's universities.

"I think it's sad and it's frustrating that this is what (the Canadian Union of Public Employees) is coming out with," said Israel-born U of A professor Yonatan Reshef, in reaction to CUPE Ontario president Sid Ryan's announcement that his organization is proposing "a ban on Israeli academics doing speaking, teaching or research work at Ontario universities," who do not explicitly condemn Israel's attacks on the Gaza Strip.

The announcement came in reaction to a Dec. 29 attack on an Islamic university in Gaza, which Israel claimed was affiliated with the ruling Hamas party.

"Israel is fighting, as sad as it is ... for its right to live a normal life," Reshef said. "I never heard anything from CUPE in the past eight years when Israelis have been under continuous missile attacks from the Gaza Strip. I never heard anything from them when Israelis were killed."

Reshef said it is "very possible" that CUPE's proposal pushes the boundaries of basic human rights.Steve Shafir, spokesman for the Edmonton Jewish Federation, agrees.

"What they're trying to do is a breach of the fundamental rights guaranteed to all citizens and all peoples of Canada in accordance with the Charter of Rights and Freedoms," he said.

"We're talking about institutions of higher learning where people should be entitled to express what they want. They should be entitled to freedom of thought, freedom of expression."

Both men are upset that, under the proposed resolution, Israeli academics would have to make their views public before a possible ban from universities.

"I don't think it's fair at all. Have they asked, for instance, academics of Saudi descent to explicitly denounce the Sept. 11 (2001) attacks?" Shafir asked.

"There might be some cases, if the professor spread hatred, for example, (or) if he believes in racism, then I think there might be a basis for such an action, but this is a political issue," Reshef said. "This is a case where, I think, a country is doing what it should have done perhaps years ago and I can't see any justification for such action by CUPE." Well at lest Canada had some kind of a reaction but I don't think telling teachers what they can think politically is the best reaction I have ever seen in a free and democratic country...and I am not sure what the basis is behind it either....You can condemn human rights violations etc. while doing it yourself...I mean to take action if a teacher is promoting hatred in the classroom is one thing...but to take this kind of arbitrary action against teachers cause they're Israeli goes against Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms....

In response to: part II ! its day number 10 , over 530 are killed , 30% are kids , please share !

cosmicwonderer: But who really cares about jewish genetic history? What you trying to prove? that you`re still the chosen ones?

highfidelity: If you get your news from an American television network, no matter how horrible you think what’s happening in Gaza is the reality !! Its much, much, much worse.
See any French channel (has an english program as well!)
or the English-language Al-Jazeera channel, followed and received in the rest of the world, is unofficially banned in the US ...not a single cable or satellite provider carries it..
so far for free press.. Wake up !

And yet even with this imperfect coverage people all over the world, are protesting about what they are seeing. over a Million person demonstrations have been held, from Melbourne to Jakarta, from Calcutta to Istanbul, and from Vienna to London, not to mention the huge popular protests in Beirut, Cairo, Damascus, Amman, across the length and breadth of the West Bank, and in some of the largest protests ever held in Palestinian communities inside Israel.

Across the US, too, people have been protesting, writing letters to the editors of the newspapers, the internet has been a major source of information for all those millions who have figured out that they will never learn what they need to learn from the New York Times or the Washington Post or ABC or CNN ect. but you find (if you look for it ) that many others that have carried extraordinarily intelligent and detailed news by commentators whose sense of what is happening far exceeds to the mainstream press—including many superb pieces by Jewish that they are not accepting Israel’s violence.

LILLYLADY: Truly Cosmic, this point is really none of your business to begin as you obviously point out that you don't care. But obviously, some do care as they pointed it out earlier on the forum. This is a point in an article from RayfromUSA where he pointed it out on page 27. He has graciously pointed this out on a website posting that he has instructed people to view and I have done so. So I have to agree with this point as it is scientific proof. Again, thank you Ray!!
It was meant as concreate proof by Ray for people who pointed out in the postings that Eastern European Jew foreigners had no connections to the middle east. I guess Ray himself has undoubtably proven the connection to all of us here. Now, will you please kindly bud out after reading this as you truly do not care about genetic history, only Jew bashing. Thank you!

Olsojente: Good to see you!!!

RayfromUSA: Your genetic study is fine, but your conclusions are wrong.

As you stated yourself, the genetic evidence links the Ashkenazim to "the regions known today as Turkey, Armenia, Israel, and Iraq".

This is entirely consistant with the historical evidence that the Ashkenazim are descended from Khazars, a Turkish tribe that founded a great empire in eastern Europe before converting en-masse to Judaism in the 8th century. It broke up in the 10th century.

Your stated results showed that Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related to Yemenite Jews, Iraqi Jews, Sephardic Jews, Kurdish Jews, and Arabs than they are to European Christian populations.
That's no surprise.
The Khazars were not a European Christian population, they were a Turkish tribe.
In fact their conversion to Judaism was expressly to avoid being assimilated by the Christians in Europe.

Your claim that "the evidence shows that most Ashkenazic Jews are descended from Judeans" is groundless. In fact there is clear evidence that some are descended from the royal line of the Khazars.

If genetic evidence were all that existed, then the possibility that somehow the Ashkenazim came from Palestine would still exist.

But there is plenty of evidence to document the conversion of the vast Khazar empire,(already located in Eastern Europe), to Judaism and no record of any mass migration from the mideast.

So where did those millions of Khazar Jews disappear to if they didn't become the Ashkenazim?

And how did the millions of Askenazim suddenly appear in Eastern Europe in the same area where the Khazar empire had just disintegrated?

There are clear easily recognizable physical and cultural difference between Sephardic Jews and Ashkenazi Jews.
The former being almost physically indistinguishable from Arabs and the latter resembling Caucasians of Eastern Europe (such as the Khazars).

The Ashkenazi culture appeared in the Rhineland in the 10th century just at the same time the Khazar empire was breaking up.

So if the Khazars did not become the Ashkenazim, how did the huge Jewish population suddenly appear in Eastern Europe,
And where did all the Khazars go?

This seems to be the article from which you quoted.
I notice you left out a great deal. Especially the parts that didn't fit your claims.

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/judaism/FAQ/07-Jews-As-Nation/section-5.html

LILLYLADY: Ray, this was your article that you posted, remember? I'm not doubting it.It is you that now need to disprove the genetics and everything else that the author of the article wrote.It is you that disagree with what you posted for everyone to read. YOU spend the time and disprove what you posted. When you posted this article, it is you that wanted us to see this to prove something you believe in. So I am in agreement with that part of the article. Plain and simple as that!!

LILLYLADY: Thank you for this posting. Seems quite reminiscent of Nazi Germany when the Jewish students and teachers were banned from university academia at the biginning and permanently. Eh? Has Canada equally banned the Islamic instructors in the same way yet and have them voice their views before teaching a class in anything? Fair is fair both ways I hope.

cosmicwonderer: OH you run out of punchbags now? Go do some knitting or something LADY and let me get some peace (not piece) I already got one of those

arranroot: Insight? Even if that happens to be true is it reason to slaughter HUNDREDS of innocent people? You muppet, what rubbish are you spewing? Does anyone want to live in a world where the consequences of a person from one country killing a person from another country is hundreds of civilians killed by an army? Insight? What you are saying is that if an Irishman get killed in America its acceptable for the Irish army to invade America ya thats likely to happen but what if a Chinese person were to get murdered while on holidays in Nepal? Bend over Nepal insight