Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !

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cosmicwonderer stockholm, Stockholm Sweden
LILLYLADY: Sounds like you got some of the wind knocked out of you bud. What, too much Jew bashing here? Seems it is your favorite pastime. Are you worn out already?
Not at all Babe I`m just having some real fun with a real woman right now and I dont have time for gene analysis while I´m planting my seeds
LILLYLADY 10 Sneeze Town, Ohio USA
highfidelity: Comments I found from:

Neve Gordon is chair of the department of politics and government at Ben-Gurion University of the Negev and author of Israel’s Occupation (University of California Press, 2008).

Jeff Halper Jeff Halper is the Director of the Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions (ICAHD) and author of An Israeli in Palestine: Resisting Dispossession, Redeeming Israel (Pluto Press, 2008).

"By launching an attack on Gaza, the Israeli government has once again chosen to adopt strategies of violence that are tragically akin to the ones deployed by Hamas — only the Israeli tactics are much more lethal. How should academics respond to this assault on an institution of higher education? Regardless of one’s stand on the proposed boycott of Israeli universities, anyone so concerned about academic freedom as to put one’s name on a petition should be no less outraged when Israel bombs a Palestinian university. The question, then, is whether the university presidents and professors who signed the various petitions denouncing efforts to boycott Israel will speak out against the destruction of the Islamic University."



I hope this article you posted is directly related to Canada policies sir! That is what was pointed out in a poster's comments that you responded to here. If not, the connection is a moot issue on what you have just posted. Is Israel and Canada under the same government? If so, then your point here is very valid. If not, well, it's a moot issue.Thank you.



nora83 Amman Jordan
Perhaps I can answer some of what you said above with the agony that our people have endured by describing a little bit of the holocaust. Not mentioning here the pogroms all over Europe and Russia that have gone on for centuries. Your people should not have had to endure the senseless loss of life that is occurring. It is at the hands of Hamas that have put your people in the situation it is in now.

thank you for your post lily ,

but i dont see it in the hands of Hamas , its in the hands of israelies , bcz they did so before hamas ruled , and also did that in lebanon in 2006 , it want hamas conflict that time, also the famous Massacre in lebanon against Palestinians in Sabra and Shateila cities , it was not Hamas that time as well , and many other Massacres committed by the israelies . with or without Hamas .
highfidelity Europe, Bundesland Germany
LILLYLADY: I hope this article you posted is directly related to Canada policies sir! That is what was pointed out in a poster's comments that you responded to here. If not, the connection is a moot issue on what you have just posted. Is Israel and Canada under the same government? If so, then your point here is very valid. If not, well, it's a moot issue.Thank you.




doh are we on the same planet ??? confused
Hugz_n_Kissez Someplace, Ontario Canada
Olsojente: Most Gazans also believe that Israel's latest assault was pre-planned, that the soldier's capture is merely a trigger. Israel dropped thousands of shells on Gaza, killing women, children and old people, long before his capture. This time, Israel attacked Gaza within hours of a national consensus accord signed by Fatah and Hamas, which could have led to negotiations between Palestinians and Israelis. That would have pushed Israel to give up control of Palestinian land and resources. Gazans believe that the goal of Israel's military campaign is the destruction of both our elected government and our infrastructure, and with it our will to secure our national rights.

Though we do not now live with ease, we live with resolve. Until the world pressures Israel to recognize our rights in our land, and to pursue a peace that brings freedom and security to Israelis and Palestinians, we both will continue to pay the price.

Mona El-Farra is a physician and human rights advocate in the Gaza Strip. "


WOW a very powerful article for sure...thanx for posting it as it goes to the very heart of the issues...Not to mention that Gaza and the West Bank occupation by Israel is and always has been illegal according to International law and the Geneva Convention and I'd like to know why they have never been brought before any tribunal for all these people being killed because of their illegal occupation and why the rest of the world doesn't demand their withdrawl from the places they illegally occupy????


What happened after the 1967 war ended?


“In violation of international law, Israel has confiscated over 52 percent of the land in the West Bank and 30 percent of the Gaza Strip for military use or for settlement by Jewish civilians...From 1967 to 1982, Israel’s military government demolished 1,338 Palestinian homes on the West Bank. Over this period, more than 300,000 Palestinians were detained without trial for various periods by Israeli security forces. “Intifada: The Palestinian Uprising Against Israeli Occupation,” ed. Lockman and Beinin.

World opinion on the legality of Israeli control of the West Bank and Gaza.

“Under the UN Charter there can lawfully be no territorial gains from war, even by a state acting in self-defense. The response of other states to Israel’s occupation shows a virtually unanimous opinion that even if Israel’s action was defensive, its retention of the West Bank and Gaza Strip was not...The General Assembly characterized Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and Gaza as a denial of self determination and hence a ‘serious and increasing threat to international peace and security.’ “ John Quigley, “Palestine and Israel: A Challenge to Justice.”





http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html

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LILLYLADY 10 Sneeze Town, Ohio USA
cosmicwonderer: Not at all Babe I`m just having some real fun with a real woman right now and I dont have time for gene analysis while I´m planting my seeds


Are you shooting your seeds at the computer screen with virtual reality woman? Kind of rather interesting way of "planting your seeds" might I say. I must say that you are rather unique if you are able to "plant your seeds" in a real human and be able to type and read the screen at the same time. Perhaps you can multi-task quite well. Hurrah for you! ENJOY!!
gordy22222 whitehorse, Yukon Territory Canada
wow 41 pages of this shit did you guys get the war settled yet ,, i will come back in a day or so to see if your all dead dating site rightbarf
cosmicwonderer: Not at all Babe I`m just having some real fun with a real woman right now and I dont have time for gene analysis while I´m planting my seeds


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Antjo39 Pucara, Puno Peru
gordy22222: wow 41 pages of this shit did you guys get the war settled yet ,, i will come back in a day or so to see if your all dead dating site right

We have a fucking private war here , mate!!
BamaBoy74 Montevallo, Alabama USA
There were way too many posts here for me to read completely; basically I just don't have the time to read it all. As far as the original topic goes, it has been said a few times, but Hamas broke the cease fire by lobbing rockets into Israel for 3 weeks prior to any retaliation. There have been so many different opportunities for the Palestinians to have their own state and seat in the UN, but what have they done?! They have complained about only receiving , oh 85% of their demands instead of 100%. The place where they have screwed up is by turning down the 85% and working with the UN to get the other 15% of what they want; that's just stupid. Also, the fact that Hamas regularly uses the civilian population as human shields to get the support of the international community, is cowardly and tragic. There are very few things that go on in the Middle East that I support, but I have to say that Israel has the right to do exactly what they are doing right now. This could have been avoided. Instead, Hamas wants to continue it's policy of kill Israel and everything that they stand for.
Antjo39 Pucara, Puno Peru
LILLYLADY: Are you shooting your seeds at the computer screen with virtual reality woman? Kind of rather interesting way of "planting your seeds" might I say. I must say that you are rather unique if you are able to "plant your seeds" in a real human and be able to type and read the screen at the same time. Perhaps you can multi-task quite well. Hurrah for you! ENJOY!!

It is not impossible... she can be doing the JOB whilst he is writing.... anything is possible in human life.
Antjo39 Pucara, Puno Peru
BamaBoy74: There were way too many posts here for me to read completely; basically I just don't have the time to read it all. As far as the original topic goes, it has been said a few times, but Hamas broke the cease fire by lobbing rockets into Israel for 3 weeks prior to any retaliation. There have been so many different opportunities for the Palestinians to have their own state and seat in the UN, but what have they done?! They have complained about only receiving , oh 85% of their demands instead of 100%. The place where they have screwed up is by turning down the 85% and working with the UN to get the other 15% of what they want; that's just stupid. Also, the fact that Hamas regularly uses the civilian population as human shields to get the support of the international community, is cowardly and tragic. There are very few things that go on in the Middle East that I support, but I have to say that Israel has the right to do exactly what they are doing right now. This could have been avoided. Instead, Hamas wants to continue it's policy of kill Israel and everything that they stand for.

You have no time to read the posts but you do to add one more saying what has been said here many times before, namely, the Official version of the Israel state....laugh



nora83 Amman Jordan


Do you believe that every Jew and non Jew who had their family sent to the gas chamber,burned alive, shot dead, dissected alive or the use of twins for medical experimentation, humans submursed in sub 0 water temperatures to see how long they could live until they died, people raped and used as prostitutes against their will, starved, beaten, whipped, babies getting ripped from their mother's arms and thrown to dogs who ripped them to shreds and other babies heads were smashed against walls by the SS. Dead bodies skinned alive to make lampshades, hair shaved for bedding stuffing, gold fillings ripped out of the dead's teeth, cemetary stones used to pave streets, and the list goes on. Even to placing poisonous dyes into the eyes of little children to see if they could change the color of their eyes. OK, should they who survived the onslaught forever have the right to place the blame forever on every German person and lob rockets at them, just because they were German?

first , im sorry for what ive read here , but please know that the palestnians are suffering the same from israelies , i mean , why israelies are crying bcz of what has happened to them in the Holucost , while they are doing the same to palestinians , yesterday , raids among the schools of UN , and they killed 43 baby , why ?

if you really want the world to feel for you for what has happened to you by the Nazist , please dont the same to another nation .

Hugz_n_Kissez Someplace, Ontario Canada
A Synopsis of the Current Situation in Israel/Palestine

Fortunately, the American media cover many events in Israel with great detail and thoroughness. Therefore, we are not repeating that coverage here. Instead, we are attempting to fill in the many important news items – most of them about incidents in the Palestinian territories – that are not available in the U.S. media.

For more thorough daily coverage of the region, we provide these links.

Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip live in an odd and oppressive limbo. They have no nation, no citizenship, and no ultimate power over their own lives.

Since 1967, when Israel conquered these areas (the final 22 percent of mandatory Palestine), Palestinians have been living under Israeli military occupation. While in some parts Israel has allowed a Palestinian “autonomous” entity to take on such municipal functions as education, health care, infrastructure and policing, Israel retains overall power.

According to international law, an occupying force is responsible for the protection of the civilian population living under its control. Israel, however, ignores this requirement, routinely committing violations of the Geneva Conventions, a set of principles instituted after World War II to ensure that civilians would “never again” suffer as they had under Nazi occupation. Israel is one of the leading violators of these conventions today.

Israeli forces regularly confiscate private land; imprison individuals without process – including children – and physically abuse them under incarceration; demolish family homes; bulldoze orchards and crops; place entire towns under curfew; destroy shops and businesses; shoot, maim, and kill civilians – and Palestinians are without power to stop any of it.

When a child is arrested, for example – often by a group of armed soldiers in the middle of the night – parents can do nothing. Knowing that their son is most likely being beaten by soldiers on the way to the station, stripped and humiliated in prison, quite likely physically abused in multiple additional ways, and destined to be held – perhaps in isolation – for days, week, or months (all before a trial has even taken place), parents are without the ability to protect their child. Quite often, in fact, they cannot even visit him.

Finally, when the military trial under which their son is to be sentenced – often to years (sometimes decades) in prison – all they can do is hire a lawyer whose efforts, at best, will reduce the ultimate sentence by a few months. Rarely, if ever, can even the most skilled lawyer do more than afford the child a friendly face in court and be an outside witness to the injustice of the proceedings. Meanwhile, the presence of such a lawyer provides Israel cover for its “judicial system.”

Perhaps most significant – and rarely understood by people in the outside world – is the fact that Palestinians live, basically, in a prison in which Israel holds the keys.

They cannot leave Gaza or the West Bank unless Israeli guards allow them to. If they have been allowed out, they cannot return to their homes and families unless Israeli guards permit it.

Frequently, in both cases, Israel refuses such permission.

Academics invited to attend conferences abroad, high school students given US State Department scholarships to study in the United States, mothers wishing to visit daughters abroad, American citizens returning to their families, humanitarians bringing wheelchairs – the list goes on almost without limit – have all been denied permission by Israel to leave or enter their own land.


http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html


Hugz_n_Kissez Someplace, Ontario Canada
It was in the article I posted today about the destruction of the Islamic University on December 29th that Israel would NOT allow the media in despite their own Supreme Court ruling there could be a limited number of reporters to enter Gaza...control the media in their favour...I have no doubt after that...wine



arranroot Athlone, Westmeath Ireland
CjTenorSax: Was this really necessary? Has there not been enought bloodshed in Gaza, Mumbai in the last few months? Do not those of us that have Loved ones in the areas really need to be bombarded by more hatred. Or to cause a whole nother group of people to jump in to the fray by irresponsible words?

We all need to learn to Live and Let Live. To each thier own.


No it was not necessary, nor is starting wars over weapons of mass destruction nor is killing innocent civilians. Jump into the fray? CJ its this simply, since the start of time one race has being at war with another, every country, every nation, every race. Thats what we do and we will always do it. Thats why we have things like the Geneva Convention, rules of war, laws of war if you like. When armies start killing innocent people and nobody is held accountable, like what the Jews in Israel have being doing for generations in Palestine then America decides to veto aid from the UN its just another way of you people saying to the world that you can butcher whoever you like where ever you like and theres nothing we can do about it. Jews murder innocent people so why should Jews not be treated with exactly the same respect? Because you personally didnt pull the trigger? Did all the Palestinians who are at presently being treated like the Jews were in the concentration camps take up arms against Israel? How many Jews were killed since this kicked off? How can the Jews expect any respect from anywhere in the world when you are doing to the Palestinians exactly what Hitler did to you? If we tolerate this where do you stop? Are we next? Dont bother answering, I like to think if I was around when Hitler was that I wouldnt believe his propaganda and I certainly dont believe yours.



cosmicwonderer stockholm, Stockholm Sweden
LILLYLADY: Are you shooting your seeds at the computer screen with virtual reality woman? Kind of rather interesting way of "planting your seeds" might I say. I must say that you are rather unique if you are able to "plant your seeds" in a real human and be able to type and read the screen at the same time. Perhaps you can multi-task quite well. Hurrah for you! ENJOY!!
Well I can`t very well be wanking if I got both hands on the computer can I? And my blonde swedish baby enjoys just as much as me bashing zionists to the kingdom of the god of Abraham. Ever heard of a blow job? Got plenty of time for real business all night long LADY
LILLYLADY 10 Sneeze Town, Ohio USA
nora83: Perhaps I can answer some of what you said above with the agony that our people have endured by describing a little bit of the holocaust. Not mentioning here the pogroms all over Europe and Russia that have gone on for centuries. Your people should not have had to endure the senseless loss of life that is occurring. It is at the hands of Hamas that have put your people in the situation it is in now.

thank you for your post lily ,

but i dont see it in the hands of Hamas , its in the hands of israelies , bcz they did so before hamas ruled , and also did that in lebanon in 2006 , it want hamas conflict that time, also the famous Massacre in lebanon against Palestinians in Sabra and Shateila cities , it was not Hamas that time as well , and many other Massacres committed by the israelies . with or without Hamas .


Nora, please...please do tell me why your fighters continue to repeatedly not fire their rockets from out in the open? Why they have to be on top of buildings or schools knowing who is inside? Why are your people calling out to ask "Where are our leaders" and even ask "Why the leaders don't have mercy on their children?" Can you answer why they want to continually taunt the Israelis with rockets to terrorize a people who have already been tormented throughout history? Can you honestly in your heart condone the suicide bombings throughout Israel and the world? Can you condone Sept 11, 2001 in the U.S. where at least 3000 people of various religions and nationalities died and left their spouses, children and families behind, not by a choice of their own. Do your people gloat with joy at the loss of lives in Mumbai, Jewish and non Jewish victims there. Do your people rally with joy when other people's lives are snuffed out but don't want theirs touched?
This is the basis of the questions I had hoped to get some soul searching answers from you. Not hatred type answers Nora!! I am much older than you and probably also about your mother's age so please don't verbally bash or deliberately insult me in any way as this is not what I am hoping to hear. Pain is real on both sides of the fence over there. Emotions run high!!
Truly, Do you expect anything to change for peace if Hamas continuously torments a people who have long been tortured throughout the centuries? There is a chance for peace and permanent open borders. What does it take to make them stop?
Thank you!!
arranroot: No it was not necessary, nor is starting wars over weapons of mass destruction nor is killing innocent civilians. Jump into the fray? CJ its this simply, since the start of time one race has being at war with another, every country, every nation, every race. Thats what we do and we will always do it. Thats why we have things like the Geneva Convention, rules of war, laws of war if you like. When armies start killing innocent people and nobody is held accountable, like what the Jews in Israel have being doing for generations in Palestine then America decides to veto aid from the UN its just another way of you people saying to the world that you can butcher whoever you like where ever you like and theres nothing we can do about it. Jews murder innocent people so why should Jews not be treated with exactly the same respect? Because you personally didnt pull the trigger? Did all the Palestinians who are at presently being treated like the Jews were in the concentration camps take up arms against Israel? How many Jews were killed since this kicked off? How can the Jews expect any respect from anywhere in the world when you are doing to the Palestinians exactly what Hitler did to you? If we tolerate this where do you stop? Are we next? Dont bother answering, I like to think if I was around when Hitler was that I wouldnt believe his propaganda and I certainly dont believe yours.


What propaganda have I said? I have repeatedly said my heart goes to all whom are in this situation.
littlewolf nunya, Oklahoma USA
gordy22222: wow 41 pages of this shit did you guys get the war settled yet ,, i will come back in a day or so to see if your all dead dating site right
I agree Gordy,I didnt even read the last ten pages, but I would bet that the fact that Israel let humanitarian aid in,has been downplayed or not even spoken of.I am confused are we supposed to believe the news or not????Gosh this thread gives us a reason to get up every morning.I feel for both sides,but Nora is not who she says she is.thumbs up




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