Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !

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Hugz_n_Kissez Someplace, Ontario Canada
Most Palestinians feel that the Israeli government’s intention is to drive them off the land, and there is a great deal of evidence that this is the goal of many Israeli leaders.

At the same time, however, there is a small but determined minority of Israelis, joined by citizens from throughout the world, who are coming to the Palestinian Territories to oppose Israeli occupation. These “internationals,” as they are often called, take part in peaceful marches, attempt to help Palestinian farmers harvest their crops despite Israeli military closures, live in refugee camps in the hope that their presence will prevent Israeli invasions and shelling, and walk children to school.

They are sometimes beaten, shot, and killed.

Some Israeli soldiers are refusing to serve in the West Bank or Gaza, stating: “We shall not continue to fight beyond the 1967 borders in order to dominate, expel, starve and humiliate an entire people.”

Meanwhile, the semblance of Palestinian autonomy continues. Elections held in January, 2005, resulted in new Palestinian leadership that will govern under occupation and will attempt to negotiate eventual Palestinian liberation. Yet even this election demonstrated Israel’s power, as various Palestinian candidates were arrested, detained, and sometimes beaten by Israeli forces. This aspect, however, like so much else, was rarely reported by the American media.


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LILLYLADY 10 Sneeze Town, Ohio USA
Antjo39: and I have more than sense of humour hidden underneath my blanket....wanna have a look?


Do keep that blanket over you sweetheart. blushing Not till our wedding day please.blushing hug grin
dinncat limerick, Limerick Ireland
Tim wounder what you would have thought if England Placed Ireland on a silver platter to the jews wounder how you would feel now ,
you in your own country defending your right to exists yet called a terrorist how Would your great parent parents would feel
highfidelity: If you like I could tell you who controls the media and is responsable for the filter on the news

Yes, please.handshake
LILLYLADY: Do keep that blanket over you sweetheart. Not till our wedding day please.
giggle giggle hole
dinncat: Tim wounder what you would have thought if England Placed Ireland on a silver platter to the jews wounder how you would feel now ,
you in your own country defending your right to exists yet called a terrorist how Would your great parent parents would feel
dunno confused dunno confused



nora83 Amman Jordan
littlewolf: I agree Gordy,I didnt even read the last ten pages, but I would bet that the fact that Israel let humanitarian aid in,has been downplayed or not even spoken of.I am confused are we supposed to believe the news or not????Gosh this thread gives us a reason to get up every morning.I feel for both sides,but Nora is not who she says she is.


then why do you check the forum once you wake up ? sisnce its out of your concerns !



nora83 Amman Jordan
LILLYLADY:
This is the basis of the questions I had hoped to get some soul searching answers from you. Not hatred type answers Nora!! I am much older than you and probably also about your mother's age so please don't verbally bash or deliberately insult me in any way as this is not what I am hoping to hear. Pain is real on both sides of the fence over there. Emotions run high!!
!!



i never meant to insult you lily , honestly , i was only trying to answer you , and provided you with some examples , please inform me of the words that made you feel insulted , you might have misunderstood wat i really meant ,,

sorry again
leolove1 The Hague, Zuid-Holland Netherlands
I thought that I gave some real solutions and a new thinking , a new mentality , a positive way of looking at the situation , not hate and anger
rocketqueen: yes have to agree....some of theposts here are more about bragging about who knows what, and personal insults than real people coming up with real solutions...............
LILLYLADY 10 Sneeze Town, Ohio USA
arranroot: Stop trying to justify your Nazi style war machine. Do you really think anybody is trying to impress you?



Of course you are trying to impress me and the rest of us!! Sorry, not impressed at all by you! I'm not trying to impress anyone nor am I interested in impressing anyone nor do I care whether anyone is or isn't impressed. Please use your positive impressive talents in music....I believe that is where you are probably the strongest and should stick with putting your time to that more. You probably bring joy to those who have the chance to hear you play.
Antjo39 Pucara, Puno Peru
leolove1: I thought that I gave some real solutions and a new thinking , a new mentality , a positive way of looking at the situation , not hate and anger

Excuse me Leo,, you are very forgetful...should I recall your first posts?
And can you draw yoursoulutions again... I want to see them even if I don´t agree.
LILLYLADY 10 Sneeze Town, Ohio USA
nora83: i never meant to insult you lily , honestly , i was only trying to answer you , and provided you with some examples , please inform me of the words that made you feel insulted , you might have misunderstood wat i really meant ,,

sorry again


Nora,
You have not insulted me whatsoever at all. And I can truly hope that I have not insulted you. Many here enjoy the widespread derogatory name calling on this site. I was truly asking you heartfelt questions that I had hoped that you personally could answer for me. Aside from what the world sees on TV, I was hoping you could give me some insight from your people's perspective as to many of the questions I asked. If too painful to answer for you, let me know and I will not ask again. You are 25 and I am 55. We grew up in "world's apart"(meaning different parts of the world), generations apart and ethnic heritages apart.
Perhaps if people could walk through time together and literally hand in hand with each other and see what has occurred through centuries, would people have a better chance to visualize the road to peace? Perhaps this is a Jules Verne Time Machine idea, be it a little bit far fetched. Maybe something far off in the futre possible way past our lifetimes, huh?
I have a feeling that someone will pull some of my lines here out of context here and bud into our conversation and trump up something else yet just to taunt a bit.

Thank you.....Lillylady
leolove1 The Hague, Zuid-Holland Netherlands
Antjo39: I know you are joking brother, but the fact is that noone with Irish blood living (however pure that is) in the bloody US or OZ or fucking Peru could ever think that there is any right for them to go back to Ireland and take any land they want. If you think so then you would see the reaction of the Irish boys by seeing their houses bulldosed.... oh god!!

Or just imagine all those rotten inmigrants from my country in the US coming back to Peru (after being kicked out by one of those laws against them) and asking for land ....hehehehe....land up in their arseholes!

I hope you and anyone else understand that once and for all. It is simple.
I was looking for you answer and came upon this , so I would make clear that you seem to have missed the point here Antjo , what I meant was that the Irish should go back to give the land back to the Abbos that they occupy
leolove1 The Hague, Zuid-Holland Netherlands
leolove1: I was looking for you answer and came upon this , so I would make clear that you seem to have missed the point here Antjo , what I meant was that the Irish should go back to give the land back to the Abbos that they occupy
and it was a joke , let that be clear
Antjo39 Pucara, Puno Peru
leolove1: I was looking for you answer and came upon this , so I would make clear that you seem to have missed the point here Antjo , what I meant was that the Irish should go back to give the land back to the Abbos that they occupy

oh well... that would be the other side of the problem... can you guys do that?
come back to europe and leave the aboriginal people alone (though already completely fucked up)?
you see mate, colonialism, fucking colonialism : genocide, destruction of cultures and environment....
and the occupation of Palestine was part of a chapter of colonialism, however much the Jews needed a place to live.

On the other hand, i stated that (written in my post) just to make the point (ON THE OTHER HAND) that no European descendant of inmigrants elsewhere could come back to the country of their ancestors and ask for land, take it and displace the locals...

I have another post for you to reply. Thank you.
Antjo39 Pucara, Puno Peru
leolove1: and it was a joke , let that be clear

you´re very funny then.... where is CosmicWonderer?
help grin



rocketqueen geelong, Victoria Australia
leolove1: I thought that I gave some real solutions and a new thinking , a new mentality , a positive way of looking at the situation , not hate and anger



i'm sorry leo...............but i'm not saying anyone in particular, but more of a general thing......it really makes me saddened that instead of trying to work as a collaborative group, some people seem hell bent on personal insults, and basically trying to prove that they know more than the next person (both of which show an inferiority complex)........and all while we sit here and argue over what the history of the war is, and who has smoked dope, and whos age is older, and DAMN elephants brains and their thinking, there are precious babies and children being killed..............now theres food for thoughtteddybear peace
Hugz_n_Kissez Someplace, Ontario Canada
Antjo39: oh well... that would be the other side of the problem... can you guys do that?
come back to europe and leave the aboriginal people alone (though already completely fucked up)?
you see mate, colonialism, fucking colonialism : genocide, destruction of cultures and environment....
and the occupation of Palestine was part of a chapter of colonialism, however much the Jews needed a place to live.

On the other hand, i stated that (written in my post) just to make the point (ON THE OTHER HAND) that no European descendant of inmigrants elsewhere could come back to the country of their ancestors and ask for land, take it and displace the locals...

I have another post for you to reply. Thank you.



Very well said...Not to mention create their own religious state to the exclusion of all others....after throwing them off their own land....thumbs up



nora83 Amman Jordan
LILLYLADY: Nora,
You have not insulted me whatsoever at all. And I can truly hope that I have not insulted you. Many here enjoy the widespread derogatory name calling on this site. I was truly asking you heartfelt questions that I had hoped that you personally could answer for me. Aside from what the world sees on TV, I was hoping you could give me some insight from your people's perspective as to many of the questions I asked. If too painful to answer for you, let me know and I will not ask again. You are 25 and I am 55. We grew up in "world's apart"(meaning different parts of the world), generations apart and ethnic heritages apart.
Perhaps if people could walk through time together and literally hand in hand with each other and see what has occurred through centuries, would people have a better chance to visualize the road to peace? Perhaps this is a Jules Verne Time Machine idea, be it a little bit far fetched. Maybe something far off in the futre possible way past our lifetimes, huh?
I have a feeling that someone will pull some of my lines here out of context here and bud into our conversation and trump up something else yet just to taunt a bit.

Thank you.....Lillylady



i understand , and please know again that i didnt mean to insult you at all .
leolove1 The Hague, Zuid-Holland Netherlands
Antjo39: oh well... that would be the other side of the problem... can you guys do that?
come back to europe and leave the aboriginal people alone (though already completely fucked up)?
you see mate, colonialism, fucking colonialism : genocide, destruction of cultures and environment....
and the occupation of Palestine was part of a chapter of colonialism, however much the Jews needed a place to live.

On the other hand, i stated that (written in my post) just to make the point (ON THE OTHER HAND) that no European descendant of inmigrants elsewhere could come back to the country of their ancestors and ask for land, take it and displace the locals...

I have another post for you to reply. Thank you.
I'm glad you mentioned this , because it also makes clear that the solution to these problems aren't that simple , where should all those zionists , or "immigrants" go to as there is no way back , you see my brother , it all ain't so easy, and we all have to live and we only got one planet for all of us




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