Olmert, Barak and Livni are war criminals!

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ttom500 St. Cloud, Florida USA
I hope those that are posting here....have taken a moment to consider.....

how people that are seeking shelter in multi story (meaning that they are in the basement or lower floor)....at least 5 floors of a concrete building were killed and injures by mortar rounds fire with a very high lob trajectory...that mostly likely would have hit the concrete roof of the school.

I saw the photos of the this school. 4-8 inches mortar were NOT going to impact to the ground and basement levels of it from roof strikes. Each of the floors were concrete....6-10 inches thick, including the roof.

Having said that....strange things happen in war time. Maybe it was a deflected round entering a lower floor doorway or window. Or maybe those secondary explosion inside the building were the Hamas munitions going off.

Give the investigators of the incident some time to do the forensic of the event. Find out how it happened is my suggestion.

This is my last post here



linarl Boston, Massachusetts USA
ttom500: I hope those that are posting here....have taken a moment to consider.....

how people that are seeking shelter in multi story (meaning that they are in the basement or lower floor)....at least 5 floors of a concrete building were killed and injures by mortar rounds fire with a very high lob trajectory...that mostly likely would have hit the concrete roof of the school.

I saw the photos of the this school. 4-8 inches mortar were NOT going to impact to the ground and basement levels of it from roof strikes. Each of the floors were concrete....6-10 inches thick, including the roof.

Having said that....strange things happen in war time. Maybe it was a deflected round entering a lower floor doorway or window. Or maybe those secondary explosion inside the building were the Hamas munitions going off.

Give the investigators of the incident some time to do the forensic of the event. Find out how it happened is my suggestion.

This is my last post here


The school incident is not the only one but maybe the most horrible so far. Crimes against civilians have been going on for almost two weeks. Hundreds of civilians were killed and thousands were injured.
Drewski Olds, Alberta Canada
Steve
In response to: Sorry Dru. They gave enough elements to be accused. 650 persons killed,10 % children! Don't know why you defend them but crime is crime.


My name is Drewski or a respectful abbreviation thanks.

As for your point, we don't know the full details hence, are not even sure who was killed or, if the place was being used as a fighting position or not. I don't know why you are so sure something that is not proven is a crime, much less feel justified in naming criminals and, even convicting them without a trial despite not knowing their culpability in this incident.

If you believe that they are guilty despite that they may have given orders not to attack targets such as this then one would have to hold the entire Israeli people on criminal trial for voting their government into office.



arranroot Athlone, Westmeath Ireland
Drewski:
If you believe that they are guilty despite that they may have given orders not to attack targets such as this then one would have to hold the entire Israeli people on criminal trial for voting their government into office.


Thats the best idea Ive heard about the Israelis so far. applause
RayfromUSA vienne, Rhone-Alpes France
linarl: Yeah, it is unbelievable what is going on especially that it does not seem many countries are doing much to stop the killing but I missed the point where Barak is to be blamed instead of Bush? He is not the president until Jan 20th.



That's true. So far all of this has to be considered Bushit.

Obama has recently said some things that seem to indicate he's following the ttaditional American path of absolving Israel from any guilt for its crimes.

However, I think he may be just biding his time so as not to get himself into a big battle with those who control the press prior to even taking office.

In his speech in Germany some months ago he said some surprising things that he would never have dare said in the US.
And the US press didn't even publicize it.

To be specific, he called for global authority to supercede the authority of nations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lsltxgrr_o&feature=related

Obama, true to his CFR background, espouses a globalist agenda, and will push for the rise of a global government, a global army, a global economy etc etc etc.

I have a feeling that the Israeli/Palestine conflict will be used to introduce the new Global military force, just as the artificially created SLA was used to introduce SWAT teams to the world.

New repressive institutions always require justification in the form of a problem that can only be resolved through extraordinary means. A superordinate goal.

The Israeli/Palestinian conflict is a made-to-order problem and a global force occupying the entire area would be the obvious antithesis.

It all becomes pretty predictable if you look at the big picture instead of the individual dots.



linarl Boston, Massachusetts USA
Drewski:
If you believe that they are guilty despite that they may have given orders not to attack targets such as this then one would have to hold the entire Israeli people on criminal trial for voting their government into office.


Does this mean we take the American people to court for crimes that Bush administration committed in Iraq, or at least the people who voted for him twice?!!! Funny

I think Israel should ALSO pay compensations to civilian families for the crimes Israel committed against them between 1948-2009 especially for the massacres committed upon the declaration of state of Israel and committed today in Gaza
RayfromUSA vienne, Rhone-Alpes France
Drewski: ...one would have to hold the entire Israeli people on criminal trial for voting their government into office.


That's assuming that the government and the army's policies truly reflects the will of the people.
Which is almost never the case in today's world.

Israeli politics are dominated by powerful rightwing blocks that rule despite the fact that most people in Israel don't like them or agree with their policies.

Much like what has been going on in American politics for the last few elections.

Elections can be stolen in a lot of ways. And a corrupt ruling regime can stay in power as long as it wants to once it is in place, unless an extremely popular movement rises against it.



linarl Boston, Massachusetts USA
RayfromUSA: That's true. So far all of this has to be considered Bushit.

Obama has recently said some things that seem to indicate he's following the ttaditional American path of absolving Israel from any guilt for its crimes.

However, I think he may be just biding his time so as not to get himself into a big battle with those who control the press prior to even taking office.

In his speech in Germany some months ago he said some surprising things that he would never have dare said in the US.
And the US press didn't even publicize it.

To be specific, he called for global authority to supercede the authority of nations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lsltxgrr_o&feature=related

Obama, true to his CFR background, espouses a globalist agenda, and will push for the rise of a global government, a global army, a global economy etc etc etc.

I have a feeling that the Israeli/Palestine conflict will be used to introduce the new Global military force, just as the artificially created SLA was used to introduce SWAT teams to the world.

New repressive institutions always require justification in the form of a problem that can only be resolved through extraordinary means. A superordinate goal.

The Israeli/Palestinian conflict is a made-to-order problem and a global force occupying the entire area would be the obvious antithesis.

It all becomes pretty predictable if you look at the big picture instead of the individual dots.


I would like to see Mr. Obama taking a different stand from the other administrations but I would not judge a book by its title or even introduction. He has four years to prove that he is worth the votes Americans gave him. I would wait until he rules and then we talk if he brought a change to the US and the world or not.
I vote for a global authority to supervise the authority of nations if it means that some states like Israel cannot start bombing innocents whenever likes it.



linarl Boston, Massachusetts USA
RayfromUSA: That's assuming that the government and the army's policies truly reflects the will of the people.
Which is almost never the case in today's world.


That is so true. Thank you
RayfromUSA vienne, Rhone-Alpes France
ttom500




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I hope those that are posting here....have taken a moment to consider.....

how people that are seeking shelter in multi story (meaning that they are in the basement or lower floor)....at least 5 floors of a concrete building were killed and injures by mortar rounds fire with a very high lob trajectory...that mostly likely would have hit the concrete roof of the school.



There are so many variables that it would be nearly impossible to conjecture exactly how a round came to explode in the lower levels.

It doesn't even really matter. What matters is that the Palestinian people who have no artillery, planes, tanks, guided missiles, lasers, etc etc etc etc etc are being slaughtered in their own homes by one of the worlds most advanced military powers.

I am reminded of a quote from the War of the Worlds that went something like this.

"This isn't a war. We can't make war against these machines any more than maggots can make war against mankind. This is an extermination."



Sparky55 Kabul Afghanistan
RayfromUSA: There are so many variables that it would be nearly impossible to conjecture exactly how a round came to explode in the lower levels.

It doesn't even really matter. What matters is that the Palestinian people who have no artillery, planes, tanks, guided missiles, lasers, etc etc etc etc etc are being slaughtered in their own homes by one of the worlds most advanced military powers.

I am reminded of a quote from the War of the Worlds that went something like this.

"This isn't a war. We can't make war against these machines any more than maggots can make war against mankind. This is an extermination."


That's a great quote. Someone should have watched that movie prior to launching missiles at Israel. There was another way to handle their differences just as there is another way for Israel to handle theirs. Seems they both have chosen their paths.

RayfromUSA vienne, Rhone-Alpes France
linarl: I vote for a global authority to supervise the authority of nations if it means that some states like Israel cannot start bombing innocents whenever likes it.


I agree with what you're saying here. And I think that at first a global authority will do a lot of good.

But it won't be very long before it turns into a global dictatorship with all power concentrated in its hands.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.



linarl Boston, Massachusetts USA
RayfromUSA: But it won't be very long before it turns into a global dictatorship with all power concentrated in its hands.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.


I agree. Yeah, who to supervise the supervisor?!!
Absolute power corrupts, that is so true and that is what is going on now with Israel. It got too much power and too much support from certain key countries but this can last so long. It has to come to an end.
RayfromUSA vienne, Rhone-Alpes France
linarl: It has to come to an end.


Sadly in this world sometimes the end of atrocities comes much too late.

Look at the American Indians, the Hawaians, the Cambodians, etc etc etc.

If there is any divine justice to be had, it will have to occur in the afterlife because in this world there is no justice.
Just the rule of force.

Survival of the brutalist.
Steevyv sisak, Central Croatia Croatia
Drewski: Steve

My name is Drewski or a respectful abbreviation thanks.

As for your point, we don't know the full details hence, are not even sure who was killed or, if the place was being used as a fighting position or not. I don't know why you are so sure something that is not proven is a crime, much less feel justified in naming criminals and, even convicting them without a trial despite not knowing their culpability in this incident.

If you believe that they are guilty despite that they may have given orders not to attack targets such as this then one would have to hold the entire Israeli people on criminal trial for voting their government into office.


I am accusing not convicting. Couple of hundreds of death bodies of Gaza citizens and UN personal testimonies are enough for that.
Second Red Cross is also accusing Israelis ( army )!
Third, how is possible that Israelis have already killed over 650 Palestinians and other citizens of Gaza "in fights with Hamas militants" and they have lost only one soldier? I'll tell you how. . It is called: massacre of civilians: man, woman and children.
Now on TV. Israelis have killed a driver in a UN truck that was visibly marked with UN logo and UN officials accuses Israelis that there is a lot of such incidents in which Israeli soldiers shoot on their vehicles.
Drewski, inputting to man something that he has said what he has not said is very dirty busyness and usually is in service of discrediting of opponent or to turn discussion from the subject on something else. I haven't said that Israeli people have to go on criminal trial. But I will say that, for some reason, you are trying to minimize evil that Israelis are doing in Gaza.
So, my discussion with you is closed.



seammushan galway, Galway Ireland
Steevyv: After this shelling of school that was protected by UN who gave to Israel authorities positions of all schools under their protection Olmert, Barak (Ehud Barak) and Livni are ready for Den Hag, International court for war crimes. They are the same criminals as here are Karadžic, Mladic and Biljana Plavšic.
Bloody butchers and baby killers.


Hit the nail smack bang on the head, hear hear



linarl Boston, Massachusetts USA
Sparky55: That's a great quote. Someone should have watched that movie prior to launching missiles at Israel. There was another way to handle their differences just as there is another way for Israel to handle theirs. Seems they both have chosen their paths.


What a path to choose massacres against civilians especially children in the name of self defense!! Israel has chosen the path of violence and terror way before those missiles. It chose that path in 1948 and still walking down that road.




seammushan galway, Galway Ireland
RayfromUSA: That's true. So far all of this has to be considered Bushit.

Obama has recently said some things that seem to indicate he's following the ttaditional American path of absolving Israel from any guilt for its crimes.

However, I think he may be just biding his time so as not to get himself into a big battle with those who control the press prior to even taking office.

In his speech in Germany some months ago he said some surprising things that he would never have dare said in the US.
And the US press didn't even publicize it.

To be specific, he called for global authority to supercede the authority of nations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lsltxgrr_o&feature=related

Obama, true to his CFR background, espouses a globalist agenda, and will push for the rise of a global government, a global army, a global economy etc etc etc.

I have a feeling that the Israeli/Palestine conflict will be used to introduce the new Global military force, just as the artificially created SLA was used to introduce SWAT teams to the world.

New repressive institutions always require justification in the form of a problem that can only be resolved through extraordinary means. A superordinate goal.

The Israeli/Palestinian conflict is a made-to-order problem and a global force occupying the entire area would be the obvious antithesis.

It all becomes pretty predictable if you look at the big picture instead of the individual dots.


Hes on about Ehud Barack, Ehud my son learn your politics and dont jump to conclusions
RayfromUSA vienne, Rhone-Alpes France
lorax888: The rockets sent into Isreal are indescriminate on who they kill. ...

I've seen dead children, i hate to see it but children become adults. You ask why the jews need a state, i ask why not.
Dennis



Are you suggesting that the precision weapons Israel uses are more discriminate??????

If so, why has Israel killed so many thousands of civilians when the Palestinians have only killed a few dozen Israeli civilians in the last 20 years.

Could it be that the Israelis are actually TRYING to kill civilians with their high-tech weapons????

I think the reason why the Jews don't deserve an independent state of their own is obvious.



Sparky55 Kabul Afghanistan
linarl: What a path to choose massacres against civilians especially children in the name of self defense!! Israel has chosen the path of violence and terror way before those missiles. It chose that path in 1948 and still walking down that road.


Yes, you're absolutely right! Hamas are little angel and Israel is the devil

You don't wish to understand anything. You simply wish to place blame and hate. That's perfectly OK as long as you understand that your attitude and those with similar extreem attitudes on either side of this conflict will accomplish nothing more than continued violence. That's really going to be beneficial to all concerned isn't it.





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