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linarl Boston, Massachusetts USA
RayfromUSA: Could it be that the Israelis are actually TRYING to kill civilians with their high-tech weapons????
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Yeah, that is so obvious. Kill as many as you can while you can before someone comes to help Palestinians.



nora83 Amman Jordan
Steevyv: Sorry Dru. They gave enough elements to be accused. 650 persons killed,10 % children! Don't know why you defend them but crime is crime.


thanks for the thread Mr. Steevyv , so far the victims are 770 , over 30 % are kids and mothers, its a real Massacre , i really wonder , how some people are still defending , Israel lost only 10 so far , whre is the comparison here !

and for those who keeps on talking about the Missiles directed to Israel by hamas , which as they say " was the reason behind all of this " , i wanna ask ? how many Israelis did these Missiles kill so far ??! the answer is ZERO ladies and gentelmen !! and how much did the israeli raids kill so far ? over 770 !!


comments please

Mr. Sttevyv , i send yourself a very warm and ful of appreciation greeting from all the people suffering in gaza



nora83 Amman Jordan
Steevyv:
Example for this is Court trial for war crimes in Den Haag. They are accusing some generals for overusing artillery in actions with consequences for civilians and their property.
But wont happened nothing to responsible. Don't you worry. Just like nothing happened to Sharon for crimes in Sabra and Shatila.


my mother and her family was one of the family who were ( thank Allah ) able to escape the massacre of Sabra and Shatila in Lebanon .
Sparky55 Kabul Afghanistan
nora83: thanks for the thread Mr. Steevyv , so far the victims are 770 , over 30 % are kids and mothers, its a real Massacre , i really wonder , how some people are still defending , Israel lost only 10 so far , whre is the comparison here !

and for those who keeps on talking about the Missiles directed to Israel by hamas , which as they say " was the reason behind all of this " , i wanna ask ? how many Israelis did these Missiles kill so far ??! the answer is ZERO ladies and gentelmen !! and how much did the israeli raids kill so far ? over 770 !! comments please

Mr. Sttevyv , i send yourself a very warm and ful of appreciation greeting from all the people suffering in gaza



So it would be OK for Israel to do what they're doing now if they had waited for one or two of those missiles to kill a large number of their people confused

I not certain but I don't think Hamas sent those things to Israel with the intention of missing or sending those missiles as some form of greeting. I can't for the life of me understand why Israel would see such a thing as a hostile act.



linarl Boston, Massachusetts USA
lorax888: My friend told me that we should nuke the whole area, turn it in to a sheet of glass, and build an amusement park. Luckly he is not likely to be elected as president.
I've seen dead children, i hate to see it but children become adults.
You ask why the jews need a state, i ask why not.

Dennis


Mr. Lorax: you present yourself here through your words as a "terminator" who is out to kill as many as possible and just for the fun for it.
It is not all Jews that wanted a state to start with. Some would not live in Israel where till this day people are classified according to where they immigrated from originally.
Those who wanted to have a state should have went to unoccupied land. Not pick an occupied land and move in by violence, terror and massacres against Palestinians.




linarl Boston, Massachusetts USA
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Good to have you on board



linarl Boston, Massachusetts USA
linarl: Just want to say hi
Good to have you on board

To Nora



nora83 Amman Jordan
RayfromUSA: .

It doesn't even really matter. What matters is that the Palestinian people who have no artillery, planes, tanks, guided missiles, lasers, etc etc etc etc etc are being slaughtered in their own homes by one of the worlds most advanced military powers.
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thank you Sir

can you compare the very traditional weapons or the hand made ones which the palestinians are using , with the world's most advanced military powers .

i wonder how ppl are still defending !!



nora83 Amman Jordan
Sparky55: That's a great quote. Someone should have watched that movie prior to launching missiles at Israel. .


and ?? how many are killed bcz of these Missiles ??



linarl Boston, Massachusetts USA
Sparky55: So it would be OK for Israel to do what they're doing now if they had waited for one or two of those missiles to kill a large number of their people

I not certain but I don't think Hamas sent those things to Israel with the intention of missing or sending those missiles as some form of greeting. I can't for the life of me understand why Israel would see such a thing as a hostile act.



It is not about hitting and missing, it is not about how many killed only.. it is about how and the need to put a stop to the over use of excessive power of Israel against civilians.

Nations under occupations like Palestinians are, have the right to protest and fight. In the past it was in a form of a simple stone picked by a child. Yes, children become adults and that is what Israel is trying to do here.. kill as many children as it can so they do not grow up and become adults to fight. It is another massacre like Israel's other massacres that is stated in history and nothing is going to erase it from the memory of people who lived it, witnessed it and were told about like Nora and her family. You know what, this can go so long but has to come to an end. Yes, 60 years of suffering but these beautiful people called Palestinians are still fighting the occupation because it was injustice from 1948. Does this tell you something? Yeah, what was built on wrong cannot go unnoticed for too long. Israel did wrong to Palestinians and should be disarmed, called for unconditional peace with its neighbors and has to pay MONEY to compensate for its crimes.



nora83 Amman Jordan
Steevyv:
Third, how is possible that Israelis have already killed over 650 Palestinians and other citizens of Gaza "in fights with Hamas militants" .

so right , i dont think they are doing this " in fight with Hamas Militants " no , they just want to kill more an more from the palestnians , bc its their famous say " a good arabic person is only is the dead one " , i mean if they really wanted to kill any of Hamas members , they could have simply assasinated them ( individually ) , just as they did to many of Hamas members such as the Shaheed Ahmad yaseen , and Abd AL Aziz Rantisi ( leaders in Hamas .



nora83 Amman Jordan
linarl: What a path to choose massacres against civilians especially children in the name of self defense!! Israel has chosen the path of violence and terror way before those missiles. It chose that path in 1948 and still walking down that road.



its funny Sister, seems the world has lost their long term memory , seems israel started its massacres only last week , only when Hamas started the Missile against israel , which killed nobody .



mbcasey North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA
Move them all out of Israel...noone gets to live there. That is the only way to end the violence in the region.

Open Israel up as a world monument...charge a fee. Build tourist hotels in Lebanon, Syria and in Gaza. Half the profits would go to displaced Isralis, Arabs, Christians and Muslims for relocation expenses. The region would be peaceful, our religious treasures would be preserved, poverty for a couple of million would end.

Any better ideas?



patrickthomas Mullingar, Westmeath Ireland
In January 2007, Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) staged three days of air strikes killing 30 Palestinians, and on the 17th, the Gaza strip was placed under total closure. In response, over 150 rockets and mortars were fired into Israel between the 15th and 18th of that month by Hamas. Yet while these caused no injuries or fatalities to any Israelis, in that same period, nearly 700 Palestinians (including 224 civilians of whom 78 were children) were killed by Israeli extra-judicial executions.

19th September 2007, Israel’s security cabinet unanimously declared the entire Gaza Strip an "enemy entity" -- solely due to ongoing Hamas rocket-fire. Yet that rocket-fire was and is a response to continued indiscriminate Israeli military bombardments.

It is truly terrible to see this happen to the Palestinian people and all because of a deal done with central europeans after Hitler. sigh



nora83 Amman Jordan
Sparky55: I can't for the life of me understand why Israel would see such a thing as a hostile act.



why ??? could someone please answer the wondering getleman over here help



patrickthomas Mullingar, Westmeath Ireland
nora83: why ??? could someone please answer the wondering getleman over here


Not i, It seems that the only thing the people who think that Israel is right have to offer is opinions, while I make my mind up on the facts, and they speak tomes.

I do not really want to get too deep into a discussion about this, as it honestly does upset me deeply.

When will people ever wake up?
lorax888 richmond, Virginia USA
RayfromUSA: That's true. So far all of this has to be considered Bushit.

Obama has recently said some things that seem to indicate he's following the ttaditional American path of absolving Israel from any guilt for its crimes.

However, I think he may be just biding his time so as not to get himself into a big battle with those who control the press prior to even taking office.

In his speech in Germany some months ago he said some surprising things that he would never have dare said in the US.
And the US press didn't even publicize it.

To be specific, he called for global authority to supercede the authority of nations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lsltxgrr_o&feature=related

Obama, true to his CFR background, espouses a globalist agenda, and will push for the rise of a global government, a global army, a global economy etc etc etc.

I have a feeling that the Israeli/Palestine conflict will be used to introduce the new Global military force, just as the artificially created SLA was used to introduce SWAT teams to the world.

New repressive institutions always require justification in the form of a problem that can only be resolved through extraordinary means. A superordinate goal.

The Israeli/Palestinian conflict is a made-to-order problem and a global force occupying the entire area would be the obvious antithesis.

It all becomes pretty predictable if you look at the big picture instead of the individual dots.


I may be misunderstanding you. Obama has said there is only one USA president at a time and he is not it at this time. I'm not sure what he said in germany. I though we allready have the UN force to be a global force. From what i understand Isreal is asking for observers to occupy this area to end the violence from both sides.
I'm sick of children being killed and someone expecting me to care when they died from neglegence and misplaced pride.


Dennis



nora83 Amman Jordan
patrickthomas: In January 2007, Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) staged three days of air strikes killing 30 Palestinians, and on the 17th, the Gaza strip was placed under total closure. In response, over 150 rockets and mortars were fired into Israel between the 15th and 18th of that month by Hamas. Yet while these caused no injuries or fatalities to any Israelis, in that same period, nearly 700 Palestinians (including 224 civilians of whom 78 were children) were killed by Israeli extra-judicial executions.

19th September 2007, Israel’s security cabinet unanimously declared the entire Gaza Strip an "enemy entity" -- solely due to ongoing Hamas rocket-fire. Yet that rocket-fire was and is a response to continued indiscriminate Israeli military bombardments.
It is truly terrible to see this happen to the Palestinian people and all because of a deal done with central europeans after Hitler.



thanks for posting .. very smart
Sparky55 Kabul Afghanistan
linarl: It is not about hitting and missing, it is not about how many killed only.. it is about how and the need to put a stop to the over use of excessive power of Israel against civilians.

Nations under occupations like Palestinians are, have the right to protest and fight. In the past it was in a form of a simple stone picked by a child. Yes, children become adults and that is what Israel is trying to do here.. kill as many children as it can so they do not grow up and become adults to fight. It is another massacre like Israel's other massacres that is stated in history and nothing is going to erase it from the memory of people who lived it, witnessed it and were told about like Nora and her family. You know what, this can go so long but has to come to an end. Yes, 60 years of suffering but these beautiful people called Palestinians are still fighting the occupation because it was injustice from 1948. Does this tell you something? Yeah, what was built on wrong cannot go unnoticed for too long. Israel did wrong to Palestinians and should be disarmed, called for unconditional peace with its neighbors and has to pay MONEY to compensate for its crimes.




I do believe you're right. Hamas, as the electerd representative government of Palestine has the right to protest and fight as they see fit or order to win whatever rights they feel they deserve.

It is equally true that Hamas maintains the right to reap the benefits of their actions. If one knows a dog is going to bite when a rock is thrown at it, it seems only prudent not to throw rocks. This to me makes no sense especially when Hamas knows they are unable to resist the Israeli army. The only conclusion I can come to is that Hamas is not being a good representative to the people of Palestine and the fact that they hide among them only goes to show they don't care about the people of Palestine. I believe the people of Palestine are nothing more than pawns for those organizations like Hamas that are chartered, yes chartered for nothing more than the destruction of Israel.

Given what I just told you about Hamas' charter, if you were Israel would you honestly disarm? For that matter, given how the Palestinians feel about Israel, is there any reason for Palestine to trust Israel. The answer to both is no. So maybe this war should just be waged in the manner they were conducted in Biblical times. We all step back and let em go. Either that or we all sit down and figure this out without assigning blame and attempting to negotiate by insult.



linarl Boston, Massachusetts USA
patrickthomas: Not i, It seems that the only thing the people who think that Israel is right have to offer is opinions, while I make my mind up on the facts, and they speak tomes.

I do not really want to get too deep into a discussion about this, as it honestly does upset me deeply.

When will people ever wake up?


People will wake up when you make your voice loud enough and clear enough to make them wake up. Do not give up! hug




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