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Nora you may want to visit your thread. You got something interesting from Leolove, I said my opinion... you may want to add your input.

I don't really know Nora, how many do you think have to be killed? What's the right number? Does the fact that Hamas is using inferior weapons or that they are lousy shots make them any less threatening? I'll bet you wouldn't be asking such questions if the rolls were reversed.

Yes if I were Israel and genuinely want peace, I would disarm and stop the excessive abuse of forces and power. It is about time Israel gets wise, 60 years and it is not working then the issue needs to be fixed.
Peace comes at a high price, called trust and show good intentions. With all the support from key countries like the US, Israel has nothing to fear. No country will attack Israel if all neighbors agree to live in harmony and peace!
There are reasons behind the anger that Palestinians feel, take these reasons away and you have negotiation and peace. That is besides the point though that I am not asking Israel to disarm itself. The international community should do so. What Israel should do, pay for its massacres against humanity by compensating Palestinian families for 60 years of suffering.

Steve

My name is Drewski or a respectful abbreviation thanks.

As for your point, we don't know the full details hence, are not even sure who was killed or, if the place was being used as a fighting position or not. I don't know why you are so sure something that is not proven is a crime, much less feel justified in naming criminals and, even convicting them without a trial despite not knowing their culpability in this incident.

If you believe that they are guilty despite that they may have given orders not to attack targets such as this then one would have to hold the entire Israeli people on criminal trial for voting their government into office.

Well, I think it's about time that both Israel and Palestine gets a little wiser. Until that time many more Israeli's and and a hell of a lot more Palestinians will be getting a lot deader.

I'm sure the Palestinian's have very good reasons to be angry. I'm equally sure the Israeli's have reasons to be angry. Unfortunately, you, others like you and many from the opposing side can only see and understand the anger of side you support. For this reason you and I are going to have a lot more opportunity to waste time debating this issue.

we wont give up Insha Allah Linarl , right Mr. Patrickthomas ?

Steve

My name is Drewski or a respectful abbreviation thanks.

As for your point, we don't know the full details hence, are not even sure who was killed or, if the place was being used as a fighting position or not. I don't know why you are so sure something that is not proven is a crime, much less feel justified in naming criminals and, even convicting them without a trial despite not knowing their culpability in this incident.

If you believe that they are guilty despite that they may have given orders not to attack targets such as this then one would have to hold the entire Israeli people on criminal trial for voting their government into office.

Ummmmm Drewski, same post 3 times? Are you having a malfunction or making a point..

at least we need to have some compatability ( power wise ) , in this brutal war !

israelis is so mistaken if they think that these continous massacres would bring them peace .

Nora, I hear what you're saying but wars are not made so that opposing sides can be compatible. As mean and callous as that may sound, that's the way it is.

But I will.
Does the fact that Israel has got the most modern weapons from U.S.A. and has so huge advance in arm and they aim good give them right to Massacre people. Being powerful means to have responsibility not to be liberated from it. To compare with Israelis forces Palestinians militants are nearly barehanded and tenants of Gaza that are victims of Isarel barbarism are 100% barehanded.
Your method of hypothetic questions in a function to accuse somebody for something newer done is malicious.

Steve

No but having their women and children deliberately targeted by Hamas gives them the responsibility and moral authority to do whatever it takes to stop it. If Hamas decides to use their innocents as shields then it is not Israel's fault. They have a duty to stop these attacks and, since Hamas does not voluntarily turn themselves in, they must be taken out wherever they are.

I suppose, if you are against this action you could simply ask why Hamas does not turn themselves in so that Israel is not forced to take actions such as this. So, why don't you ask this or, are you for the actions of Hamas?

I never said it was right to massacre people but they do have a right to defend themselves. Their weapons are good but it's impossible for bullets, bumbs and missiles to distinguish between a civilian and a combatant.

Sorry you don't like may questioning technique. They are not meant to accuse they are meant to make one think. I guess that could be seen as malicious by some. Anyway, I'll pose the same question to you. Do you think if the rolls were reversed Hamas would allow Israel to continually launch rockets at Palestine?

You are wrong because:
- your questioning technique is not a problem but your logic is. If we accept such a logic we could ask: What would do European Jews to Hitler if the rolls were reverse? And give excuse to Hitler. ? Or. If Germans had not attacked Poland, Poland will attack them if the rolls were reversed.
Wrong.
- weapon, bullets, bombs and missiles are for sure not capable to distinguish between a civilian and a combatant but those who fire them are. So, according to the results they don't care for difference or they shoot intentionally. Both is crime. This is tactic: "First shoot than don't ask". According to dimensions of crime it is evidently that this is official tactic of Israelis and this is one of the reasons why I am so convicted that Olmert, Barak and Livni are responsible .
- Let me remind you on a basic human rights. Each human has right on home, family, work, health and so on....Palestinian people are driven to exile almost for 60 years ago. 60 years they live like refugees ! Can you imagine what is that? 60 years of misery and humiliation with no hope. Do they have right to fight for their human rights? Nobody cares for them anyway and who will care if they will be sitting in ghettos waiting that Israelis help them.
- Right to defend is out of question. But even in a worst war are valid some international rules ( Geneva Convention ). Fact is that Israel, for a long, long time is violating those rules. And what. Nothing. In all Israelis state history none of Israeli soldiers is newer asked for responsibility. Newer, even if there were done some bad things that can be compared with what had done Saadam Husein to Kurds and whole world had seen them.
- I know, heard on my own ears from Israelis, for this : "Only death Palestinian is good Palestinian". And I'd been also told, tet a tet, that it does not meter if it is child because when he grows up he will be, so and so, Palestinian fighter and consequently it is better to kill him before he do some damage. That is statement wide spread and supported in Israel, Army and among civilians.

Are you just having trouble understanding the question. Here it is again.

Do you think if the rolls were reversed Hamas would allow Israel to continually launch rockets at Palestine?

It's a simple yes or no question. The thing is, I suspect you wont answer it because to answer it truthfully would be an admission that Israel has a right to defend themselves just as Palestine has.