Gaza..Israel kills civilians infront of international silence. What do you think? Share. chapterII

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Steevyv sisak, Central Croatia Croatia
Antjo39 Pucara, Puno Peru
I am afraid Nora is the one to continue this....
Respectfully.... wecan still write up to page 50 aproximately in her thread
Steevyv: Just to continue.
gozoman2 Xaghra, Gozo Malta
BBC NEWS
Israel accepts truce 'principles'

Israel has agreed "on the principles" of a ceasefire proposal, raising hopes of an end to its conflict with Palestinian militants in Gaza.

"The challenge now is to get the details to match the principles," Israeli spokesman Mark Regev said.

The Palestinian militant group Hamas said there were "positive signs but no agreement yet".

The development came as Israel halted military operations in Gaza for three hours to aid humanitarian efforts.

The lull, which began about 1100 GMT and ended shortly after 1400 GMT, was the first of what an Israeli spokesman said would be a daily ceasefire to allow Gazans to "get medical attention, get supplies... whatever they need".

News agencies reported that Gaza residents had rushed out into the streets during the lull to stock up on food and visit relatives in hospital.

Smuggling

Israel and Hamas have been under pressure to accept a diplomatic solution to the conflict, which began on 27 December.

Israel wants to stop rocket attacks on southern Israel and to stop Hamas smuggling weapons into Gaza via Egypt, while Hamas says any ceasefire deal must include an end to Israel's blockade of Gaza. Israel said it was not sure how long the diplomatic process would take and that a working arms embargo on Hamas was needed.

Little official detail has been given about the French-Egyptian proposal, which is backed by the US and UN, but diplomats say it centres around measures to halt weapons smuggling from Egypt into Gaza, coupled with moves to ease the blockade.

In a statement released on Wednesday, France's President Nicolas Sarkozy welcomed "the acceptance by Israel and the Palestinian Authority" of the truce plan. The statement did not mention Hamas.

Blockade

Israel's military said the three-hour pause in operations to create "humanitarian corridors" for supplies and fuel would happen every day.

A Hamas spokesman said that the group would not launch any missiles at Israeli targets during the lull.

Israel has been criticised by aid agencies who have warned of a mounting humanitarian crisis for the 1.5 million Palestinians in Gaza, who are unable to escape from the conflict because of Israel's blockade.

Christopher Gunness, a spokesman for the UN relief agency Unwra, said the move did not go far enough.

"When you are trying to feed 750,000 people a day in Gaza as we are, you need a permanent ceasefire. You can't do that in a three-hour window," he said.

The World Bank also warned on Wednesday of a looming public health crisis in Gaza because of damage to its sewage system and a shortage of clean drinking water.

Israel's decision to facilitate "humanitarian corridors" follows one of the deadliest days since the offensive began last month, with more than 130 people killed on Tuesday.

Overnight, Israeli forces launched 40 fresh air strikes in Gaza, while Israeli media reports say nine rockets were fired into southern Israel from Gaza early on Wednesday.

More than 600 Palestinians are believed to have been killed since Israel began its offensive on 27 December. Palestinian health ministry officials say at least 195 children were among them.

Since the start of its military operation in Gaza, Israel has lost seven soldiers on the ground.

Militants have also launched hundreds of rockets into Israel, killing four people.

Casualty claims in Gaza cannot be independently verified.

Israel is refusing to let international journalists into Gaza, despite a supreme court ruling to allow a limited number of reporters to enter the territory.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/middle_east/7815929.stm
Hugz_n_Kissez Someplace, Ontario Canada
Israel accepts truce 'principles'
An Israeli armoured vehicle, 7 Jan
Israel briefly halted its military operations in Gaza to allow in aid

Israel has agreed "on the principles" of a ceasefire proposal, raising hopes of an end to its conflict with Palestinian militants in Gaza.

"The challenge now is to get the details to match the principles," Israeli spokesman Mark Regev said.

The Palestinian militant group Hamas said there were "positive signs but no agreement yet".

The development came as Israel halted military operations in Gaza for three hours to aid humanitarian efforts.

The lull, which began about 1100 GMT and ended shortly after 1400 GMT, was the first of what an Israeli spokesman said would be a daily ceasefire to allow Gazans to "get medical attention, get supplies... whatever they need".

News agencies reported that Gaza residents had rushed out into the streets during the lull to stock up on food and visit relatives in hospital.

Smuggling

Israel and Hamas have been under pressure to accept a diplomatic solution to the conflict, which began on 27 December.


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Israel wants to stop rocket attacks on southern Israel and to stop Hamas smuggling weapons into Gaza via Egypt, while Hamas says any ceasefire deal must include an end to Israel's blockade of Gaza. Israel said it was not sure how long the diplomatic process would take and that a working arms embargo on Hamas was needed.

Little official detail has been given about the French-Egyptian proposal, which is backed by the US and UN, but diplomats say it centres around measures to halt weapons smuggling from Egypt into Gaza, coupled with moves to ease the blockade.

In a statement released on Wednesday, France's President Nicolas Sarkozy welcomed "the acceptance by Israel and the Palestinian Authority" of the truce plan. The statement did not mention Hamas.

Blockade

Israel's military said the three-hour pause in operations to create "humanitarian corridors" for supplies and fuel would happen every day.

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Hugz_n_Kissez Someplace, Ontario Canada
Israel has been criticised by aid agencies who have warned of a mounting humanitarian crisis for the 1.5 million Palestinians in Gaza, who are unable to escape from the conflict because of Israel's blockade.

Christopher Gunness, a spokesman for the UN relief agency Unwra, said the move did not go far enough.

"When you are trying to feed 750,000 people a day in Gaza as we are, you need a permanent ceasefire. You can't do that in a three-hour window," he said.

The World Bank also warned on Wednesday of a looming public health crisis in Gaza because of damage to its sewage system and a shortage of clean drinking water.

Israel's decision to facilitate "humanitarian corridors" follows one of the deadliest days since the offensive began last month, with more than 130 people killed on Tuesday.

Overnight, Israeli forces launched 40 fresh air strikes in Gaza, while Israeli media reports say nine rockets were fired into southern Israel from Gaza early on Wednesday.

More than 600 Palestinians are believed to have been killed since Israel began its offensive on 27 December. Palestinian health ministry officials say at least 195 children were among them.

Since the start of its military operation in Gaza, Israel has lost seven soldiers on the ground.

Militants have also launched hundreds of rockets into Israel, killing four people.

Casualty claims in Gaza cannot be independently verified.

Israel is refusing to let international journalists into Gaza, despite a supreme court ruling to allow a limited number of reporters to enter the territory.


I think it's kinda telling when they won't let reporters into Gaza despite a Supreme Court Ruling says that a limited number of reporters can enter the area...I guess they have lots to hide then....and this is how one-sided news gets reported...Is it any wonder you never hear of Israels atrocities....You can't report what you're not allowed to see....roll eyes thumbs up doh
Steevyv sisak, Central Croatia Croatia
Antjo39: I am afraid Nora is the one to continue this....
Respectfully.... wecan still write up to page 50 aproximately in her thread

I am not important. Nora is. Nora lives there, things are happening on her eyes, under her windows.
She can see columns of smoke and hear echo of bombing. She can feel the smell of blood and burned human meat. She can hear man, woman and children screaming for help and cry of fathers and mothers over their dead children bodies.
Nora is important. She is there. Some guys here that are so far, far from the crime scene are not. It is well known that cowards radicalism grows with the the distance to square. They just wont to be the center of attention.
So don't pay your attention to what they write.
Because, Nora is important. People who suffer are important. Human lives and destinies are important.
I started this "chapter two" only to show that Nora is not the only one who cares because houses are burning close to her, people are killed close to her, and so on. I wanted to declare that we, who are not living there care also.
And that is all.
Antjo39 Pucara, Puno Peru
Steevyv: I am not important. Nora is. Nora lives there, things are happening on her eyes, under her windows.
She can see columns of smoke and hear echo of bombing. She can feel the smell of blood and burned human meat. She can hear man, woman and children screaming for help and cry of fathers and mothers over their dead children bodies.
Nora is important. She is there. Some guys here that are so far, far from the crime scene are not. It is well known that cowards radicalism grows with the the distance to square. They just wont to be the center of attention.
So don't pay your attention to what they write.
Because, Nora is important. People who suffer are important. Human lives and destinies are important.
I started this "chapter two" only to show that Nora is not the only one who cares because houses are burning close to her, people are killed close to her, and so on. I wanted to declare that we, who are not living there care also.
And that is all.

I agree with you in your main point. Well, the other thread will be over soon then we can use this one... I mean I have ADHD so I have to keep order... then I will be messing it up badly.
cheers
Steevyv: I am not important. Nora is. Nora lives there, things are happening on her eyes, under her windows.
She can see columns of smoke and hear echo of bombing. She can feel the smell of blood and burned human meat. She can hear man, woman and children screaming for help and cry of fathers and mothers over their dead children bodies.
Nora is important. She is there. Some guys here that are so far, far from the crime scene are not. It is well known that cowards radicalism grows with the the distance to square. They just wont to be the center of attention.
So don't pay your attention to what they write.
Because, Nora is important. People who suffer are important. Human lives and destinies are important.
I started this "chapter two" only to show that Nora is not the only one who cares because houses are burning close to her, people are killed close to her, and so on. I wanted to declare that we, who are not living there care also.
And that is all.


I agree. I have also expressed this in the other thread.sad flower sad flower sad flower
Conrad73 Lonesome Town Zurich, Zrich Switzerland
Steevyv: I am not important. Nora is. Nora lives there, things are happening on her eyes, under her windows.
She can see columns of smoke and hear echo of bombing. She can feel the smell of blood and burned human meat. She can hear man, woman and children screaming for help and cry of fathers and mothers over their dead children bodies.
Nora is important. She is there. Some guys here that are so far, far from the crime scene are not. It is well known that cowards radicalism grows with the the distance to square. They just wont to be the center of attention.
So don't pay your attention to what they write.
Because, Nora is important. People who suffer are important. Human lives and destinies are important.
I started this "chapter two" only to show that Nora is not the only one who cares because houses are burning close to her, people are killed close to her, and so on. I wanted to declare that we, who are not living there care also.
And that is all.
Steevyv,with all due respect,Amman is about a 100 miles from the Gaza Strip.

The Deaths do sadden me,but Hamas,the Government of Gaza has chosen War for their People.It's Hamas as the Government that carries most of the blame,unless,of Course if you believe that Jews have no right to live.dunno conversing wave
Steevyv sisak, Central Croatia Croatia
Conrad73: Steevyv,with all due respect,Amman is about a 100 miles from the Gaza Strip.

The Deaths do sadden me,but Hamas,the Government of Gaza has chosen War for their People.It's Hamas as the Government that carries most of the blame,unless,of Course if you believe that Jews have no right to live.

I know where is Amman and where is Gaza. In now days 100 miles is nothing. 10 minutes to fly for F 16 or 18 or Airbus. Gaza is front yard for Amman.
Miles are not what they were once. It is one hour and a half from your home!

Second. Jews have right to live, what a question, but have no right to do what they are doing now. Other people have also right to live. Don't they?
Please, don't fake the facts. It is not " Government of Gaza(?)" who is attacking with aircrafts, artillery and tanks civilians in Tel Aviv but Israel who is attacking 750.000 of Palestinian refugees in Gaza and 800.000 of other civilians that live there.
And this are not Palestinians who are doing ethnic cleansing but Israels.
Let me remaind you on facts:
- By the UN General Assemblly Resolution 199 to the Palestinians is confirmed right to turn back to their homes from which they were expelled in 1948,
- Mr. Barak, as a President of Israeli Government in Camp David, offered to Palestinians a deal:
- Israel will "give" them 97 % of debatable territories + greatest part of East Jerusalem for a change for Palestinian withdrawing of their right to turn back to their homes. -
My dear friend, what is that if it is not ex plicite confessing that ethnic cleansing is done and that now intention is to legalize it?
From Israels side it is conditio sine qua non because if all Palestinians turn back to their home in Palestina ( funny, why people call this land so )Israelis will be minority in their own state. And if you put in that story fact that Palestinians reproduction is 300 % or more bigger than Israelis...
Ethnic cleansing is official state politic of State Israel. And that is the fact. Lebensrhaum. That's it. Sound already heard.
If you wish to hear more arguments, please, tell me.

Drewski Olds, Alberta Canada
Steve
In response to: I know where is Amman and where is Gaza. In now days 100 miles is nothing. 10 minutes to fly for F 16 or 18 or Airbus. Gaza is front yard for Amman.
Miles are not what they were once. It is one hour and a half from your home!


Travel time yes. However, you were saying that Nora could see "things are happening on her eyes, under her windows. She can see columns of smoke and hear echo of bombing. She can feel the smell of blood and burned human meat. She can hear man, woman and children screaming for help and cry of fathers and mothers over their dead children bodies. Nora is important. She is there."

She can do no such thing from one hundred miles away and, she cannot travel there back and forth in an F16 hence, your dramatics are simple hubris. And, if they are not, millions of Israelis feel the pain of those who were innocent victims of Palestinian terrorists over the years far more than how important she is.

Steve
In response to:
Second. Jews have right to live, what a question, but have no right to do what they are doing now. Other people have also right to live. Don't they?


All people have the right to take out those who threaten them and theirs. All obstacles and enablers secondary to that task. If you think this is puzzling I will explain;

Hamas has every right to fire upon Israeli soldiers both in their land during this invasion or, in Israel as they both acknowledge they are enemies. They do not however, have the right to deliberately attack and blow up pizza parlors filled with teenagers. Nor do they have the right to deliberately fire rockets at civilian targets.

If on the other hand, Hamas is firing rockets at military installations and accidentally hits civilian targets, then oops. They have lost no morale ground and, like Israel in Gaza, mistakes occur but, as we both know, that is not the case on the part of Hamas. They seek to terrorize civilians to gain reactions they can use for political gains, and, when Israel responds like they are now, from their perspective, if one Israeli child's life can be saved by bombing all of Gaza then so be it.

There is a couple of simple lessons here;

1. Don't bomb Israeli civilians or they will protect their own at the cost of your own if necessary. To not do everything they can to stop missiles and bombs is irresponsible.

2. Negotiate. Stop fighting your own people who want peace and propagating violence.

The fact that Hamas does neither is indicative of how much they care for their own. Israel can do nothing but actions such as this for to do nothing about their people being attacked is a complete failure in a government's responsibility - protect the tax base.
Steevyv sisak, Central Croatia Croatia
Drewski: She can do no such thing from one hundred miles away and, she cannot travel there back and forth in an F16 hence, your dramatics are simple hubris. And, if they are not, millions of Israelis feel the pain of those who were innocent victims of Palestinian terrorists over the years far more than how important she is.


What do you know about war? You've seen it on TV. Believe me, whole middle east now see what I said and feels how I said. Israelis too.
I don't think that the Israelis mothers and fathers are not afraid that their sons who are now in uniforms in Gaza will come back home in a plastic bag.
I don't support any terrorism. From any side. But I aspect from Israel, as a democratic state*, that he don't use the same or even worse methods like some religious fanatics. I aspect from them more than to be a bad copy of HAMAS or HEZBOLAH.
I highly doubt in a purpose of this Israels action just now and right now exactly before the elections that will be at the beginning of February. Like I said,present Government has bad image in Israelis public and is going to loose this elections. Therefore I think that real purpose of this war is not what Mr. Olmert, Mr. Barak and this lady Livni says for public but one try to improve their bad ranking. This is already seen 1000 times. Does therefore Gaza had to be destroyed and people killed ? That some guys who like power stays on power. I think, no.
Negotiations of course. It is better to negotiate 50 years than to fight war one day. Such situation which we have there is like a circle. - We are shelling them because they are firing Kasams on us.- We are firing Kasams on them because they are shelling us.- And so on. Endless.
But, the world and Israel must show more understanding for Palestinians and their human and national rights. They are already 60 years out of their homes, in refuge camps. They are not allowed to turn back to their homes for the reasons I already said and they are not allowed to integrate in other Arab societies. Do you know that they are not allowed to marry with members of other Arabic nations and that children from such matrimony are also not allowed to merry members of other Arab nations? Do you know that in Lebanon exists a list of some 63 professions which are not allowed for Palestinians. Do you know that the territory that Israel offers to Palestinians for their State can absorb only 10 % of present Palestinian population ? What with the rest?
Palestinians must get opportunity to organize honest state that wont be some kind of banthustan and that they can consume all human rights like all others.I can understand that nobody has patience to wait for 60 years, sitting under tent and living on international aid.

* It is questionable how for real Israel is civilian society. The last their high ranked politician that was not retired general or something like this as I can remember was Golda Meir.
Their Government looks like to me more like a General Staff.




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