Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !

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nora83 Amman Jordan
Part III : it the second week , the Massacre goes on, over 770 are dead , thousands of injuiries, still no food no water , no petrol , no medication , non stop raids, the whole world is protesting ! please share .
Antjo39 Pucara, Puno Peru
nora83: Part III : it the second week , the Massacre goes on, over 770 are dead , thousands of injuiries, still no food no water , no petrol , no medication , non stop raids, the whole world is protesting ! please share .

Well, Nora.....it seems that your thread is outlawed here.very mad
Nevermind, I don´t care much about that.

Do you know how to send help to people in Palestine. Are there organisations abroad? or is it all at governments level?
I would like to help too.



arranroot Athlone, Westmeath Ireland
Antjo39: Well, Nora.....it seems that your thread is outlawed here.
Nevermind, I don´t care much about that.

Do you know how to send help to people in Palestine. Are there organisations abroad? or is it all at governments level?
I would like to help too.


I also would like to help, any ideas on how?
leolove1 The Hague, Zuid-Holland Netherlands
nora83: Part III : it the second week , the Massacre goes on, over 770 are dead , thousands of injuiries, still no food no water , no petrol , no medication , non stop raids, the whole world is protesting ! please share .
nora , I do understand that this is a painful moment for you , but war is war and that is nature ,if you believe in a god , then god want this to be happening. What did the Palestinians try to achieve with their rockets? wasn't it a reaction from Israel ? wel , they got it now .It is misleading to point a finger at Israel and only see what they do . Try to see the whole picture , what did the Palestinians do? It is too late now, Now the nature goes its way and you have to wait and see the outcome after this rage is over . In nature there are 4 solutions .
1 : chase the opponent out of your territory
2 :(if nr. 1 is not possible ) accept the situation and live together in harmony
3:(if nr2 is not possible) go away and start a new life somewhere else
4 :(if nr3 is not possible) fight till one of opponents is killed

so you have to accept what is going on , it is nature , gods will and the choice of the people involved itself. what can we do ? nothing ! The world tried to achieve peace and many efforts have been done , this is a choice from the people themselves , so what can you do ? These people are full of hate and hate will kill you in the end. Try to stay objective , please. A huge part of the Jews are born in Israel and it is their land to , they have no country to go back to , you have to understand, so it is not realistic to move them out , it is not even an option



patrickthomas Mullingar, Westmeath Ireland
leolove1: nora , I do understand that this is a painful moment for you , but war is war and that is nature ,if you believe in a god , then god want this to be happening. What did the Palestinians try to achieve with their rockets? wasn't it a reaction from Israel ? wel , they got it now .It is misleading to point a finger at Israel and only see what they do . Try to see the whole picture , what did the Palestinians do? It is too late now, Now the nature goes its way and you have to wait and see the outcome after this rage is over . In nature there are 4 solutions .
1 : chase the opponent out of your territory
2 :(if nr. 1 is not possible ) accept the situation and live together in harmony
3:(if nr2 is not possible) go away and start a new life somewhere else
4 :(if nr3 is not possible) fight till one of opponents is killed

so you have to accept what is going on , it is nature , gods will and the choice of the people involved itself. what can we do ? nothing ! The world tried to achieve peace and many efforts have been done , this is a choice from the people themselves , so what can you do ? These people are full of hate and hate will kill you in the end. Try to stay objective , please. A huge part of the Jews are born in Israel and it is their land to , they have no country to go back to , you have to understand, so it is not realistic to move them out , it is not even an option


Nature, Gods will and the choice of the people. I am sure those same words were used to justify everyone from Hitler to Pol Pot.

The history of Israel has been one of the great shames on this planet, and anyone who takes the time to follow the events of the decades of this conflict can see quite clearly that Israel is the Problem and the guilty party.
leolove1 The Hague, Zuid-Holland Netherlands
patrickthomas: Nature, Gods will and the choice of the people. I am sure those same words were used to justify everyone from Hitler to Pol Pot.

The history of Israel has been one of the great shames on this planet, and anyone who takes the time to follow the events of the decades of this conflict can see quite clearly that Israel is the Problem and the guilty party.



linarl Boston, Massachusetts USA
leolove1: nora , I do understand that this is a painful moment for you , but war is war and that is nature ,if you believe in a god , then god want this to be happening. What did the Palestinians try to achieve with their rockets? wasn't it a reaction from Israel ? wel , they got it now .It is misleading to point a finger at Israel and only see what they do . Try to see the whole picture , what did the Palestinians do? It is too late now, Now the nature goes its way and you have to wait and see the outcome after this rage is over . In nature there are 4 solutions .
1 : chase the opponent out of your territory
2 :(if nr. 1 is not possible ) accept the situation and live together in harmony
3:(if nr2 is not possible) go away and start a new life somewhere else
4 :(if nr3 is not possible) fight till one of opponents is killed

so you have to accept what is going on , it is nature , gods will and the choice of the people involved itself. what can we do ? nothing ! The world tried to achieve peace and many efforts have been done , this is a choice from the people themselves , so what can you do ? These people are full of hate and hate will kill you in the end. Try to stay objective , please. A huge part of the Jews are born in Israel and it is their land to , they have no country to go back to , you have to understand, so it is not realistic to move them out , it is not even an option



So many ideas to address here:

"But war is war and that is nature ,if you believe in a god , then god want this to be happening?" What an argument. We were born free to think and to make sense of things. God gave us this and let us decide. That is why, if you commit a crime you are judged for it.

No, it is not misleading to point a finger at Israel, this accusation of Israel abusing its power should have started decades ago.

No, it is never too late for the right to be done. Never.. as long as a decent man lives that does not agree with what is going on of obvious massacres.

As far as the whole picture goes, I see it very well: it is Israel killing as many as Palestinian children so they do not grow, become adults and fight the occupation.

Yes they will take no. 4 I guess, but not until one opponent is killed, but it is until Israel understands that it is not god on earth, can do whatever it wants and escapes with it. Israel has one way out and that is to make peace with Palestinians and repay them for its crimes against them. Yeah with money.

And if you think you can do nothing Mr. Leolove then let me ask you this. Why you are on this forum and every forum about Gaza? If this debate at the end is nothing then why you are here Mr. Leolove?

"These people are full of hate": I agree about Israelis
Palestinians are full of anger not hate because their situation in INHUMANE

Well, we make our options that is the free will and freedom of choice.

No one said anything about kicking Jews out of the land but now that you mentioned it, it is not a bad option you know!!! I think, people have to taste the same medicine they describe to others, sometimes. Folks, do not you think it will be hilarious if that happens? Send Israelis back where they came from to build their FRESH roots of 60 years in their original lands. What a lesson to learn as humans, yeah. What goes around comes around.



linarl Boston, Massachusetts USA
patrickthomas:
The history of Israel has been one of the great shames on this planet, and anyone who takes the time to follow the events of the decades of this conflict can see quite clearly that Israel is the Problem and the guilty party.


so true.



sambhava Vasteras, Vastmanland Sweden
Very well said! You are absolutely right. But surely you still have to admit that those jews ARE an arrogant bunch, whereas the Palestinians are not...
leolove1: nora , I do understand that this is a painful moment for you , but war is war and that is nature ,if you believe in a god , then god want this to be happening. What did the Palestinians try to achieve with their rockets? wasn't it a reaction from Israel ? wel , they got it now .It is misleading to point a finger at Israel and only see what they do . Try to see the whole picture , what did the Palestinians do? It is too late now, Now the nature goes its way and you have to wait and see the outcome after this rage is over . In nature there are 4 solutions .
1 : chase the opponent out of your territory
2 :(if nr. 1 is not possible ) accept the situation and live together in harmony
3:(if nr2 is not possible) go away and start a new life somewhere else
4 :(if nr3 is not possible) fight till one of opponents is killed

so you have to accept what is going on , it is nature , gods will and the choice of the people involved itself. what can we do ? nothing ! The world tried to achieve peace and many efforts have been done , this is a choice from the people themselves , so what can you do ? These people are full of hate and hate will kill you in the end. Try to stay objective , please. A huge part of the Jews are born in Israel and it is their land to , they have no country to go back to , you have to understand, so it is not realistic to move them out , it is not even an option



nora83 Amman Jordan
Antjo39: Well, Nora.....it seems that your thread is outlawed here.
Nevermind, I don´t care much about that.

Do you know how to send help to people in Palestine. Are there organisations abroad? or is it all at governments level?
I would like to help too.



thanks Anto39 and arranroot , we Palestinians appreciate this alot ,

unfortunatly we can do nothing, borders are still blocked , Egypt is refusing to pass anything , some arab countries are sending some food and medications , but Egypt ( Rafah border side )rarely allow or give the " permission" to open the Rafah border to let any help come in , what they are allowing to come in ( anyway ) is 10 % of their Gaza's need .

lots of trucks loaded with food and medication , and huge number of doctors and voluteers are waiting in Egypt ( Rafah Border side ) , waiting for the permissiom of Egypt to open it and allow them to get in and send the food and medication for ppl who are in need .




rocketqueen geelong, Victoria Australia
sambhava: Very well said! You are absolutely right. But surely you still have to admit that those jews ARE an arrogant bunch, whereas the Palestinians are not...





i am a jewish woman, and i would not consider myself arrogant at all.............i think you need to stop stereotyping people.also have a look at http://www.december18.com.au you will see israeli concientous objectors to the war.............please have a look

RillyNiceGuy Southeast, Arkansas USA
I wonder how many bumps it takes to get this thread over and gone!



Bump!



patrickthomas Mullingar, Westmeath Ireland
rocketqueen: i am a jewish woman, and i would not consider myself arrogant at all.............i think you need to stop stereotyping people.also have a look at http://www.december18.com.au you will see israeli concientous objectors to the war.............please have a look


It is a dead link???



rocketqueen geelong, Victoria Australia
forgot to say mornin everyone.........i didnt get to see the last threads of the last forum....can anyone help me out?


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nora83 Amman Jordan
leolove1:

A huge part of the Jews are born in Israel and it is their land to , they have no country to go back to , you have to understand,


since when in the whole modern human being history people are classified according to their religion to live in a certian country ??

plus ! if you are born in a certain country , that doesnt make it your land at all ! and who said that Jews has no country to go back to ? where did they come from at the first place ? they were gathered from all over the world and put in Palestine !! so each one can go back to the country he or she came from .

you have to understand




nora83 Amman Jordan
RillyNiceGuy: I wonder how many bumps it takes to get this thread over and gone!
Bump!


well ! i wonder why do you post as long as this thread is out of your concern Sir ? you dont like it , dont check it , very easy !!



rocketqueen geelong, Victoria Australia
patrickthomas: It is a dead link???




oh sorry just gunna check it..................anyway if you type in israel youth december 18th it should come up with some interesting stuff for your viewing
Antjo39 Pucara, Puno Peru
nora83: thanks Anto39 and arranroot , we Palestinians appreciate this alot ,

unfortunatly we can do nothing, borders are still blocked , Egypt is refusing to pass anything , some arab countries are sending some food and medications , but Egypt ( Rafah border side )rarely allow or give the " permission" to open the Rafah border to let any help come in , what they are allowing to come in ( anyway ) is 10 % of their Gaza's need .

lots of trucks loaded with food and medication , and huge number of doctors and voluteers are waiting in Egypt ( Rafah Border side ) , waiting for the permissiom of Egypt to open it and allow them to get in and send the food and medication for ppl who are in need .

Probably not now... but later it will be possible for Palestinians to organise something in all the countries they have an representative. Yesterday the representative of Palestine showed a huge list of critical medicines for people who have suffered wounds from the forbidden weapons that the Israel army has been using. He said that nnow they have not implemented anything to promote public help due to the problems you have mentioned.
If you know something, let everybody know.




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