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By your works you shall be judged?

Contradicting;
Ephisians chapter two, verse 8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith and that not of yourself, it is the gift of God.
Not by works less anyone should boast.

Those who have faith by the true Gospel of the true Savior and true God are under Grace (unearned pardon). But faith is proven by works, without works there was not faith. Works gain you nothing. A person without faith is under the law and its penalty.....death! (the second death) Christ paid the death penalty for all who have faith. But those of no faith has not grace and are still under the law and death.

The unpardonable sin is a long subject. But to put it simple for those concerned of having committed the unpardonable sin, is this. If you are worried that you have committed the unpardonable sin and that you are permanantly lost......then you have not yet committed the unpardonable sin. You can still repent of sin, having the faith,and be under grace.

All have committed sin! (babies have not sinned but are born without faith...but not to worry...God is good)

Only by hearing the true word of the true God can one have faith. The true savior paid the price of death under the law....etc.

These are those not having the true faith: Those who never heard the true word. It may be a native, or someone of a false religion, or someone who never heard at all for any reason. All of these are under the law and by the law is sin defined so to be know as sin....before that each was a god to themselves without knowing hope of a Kingdom to come.

God is good and there is salvation available to all in due time. Then they all shall have their truth informed chance of faith or not accepting.

God gives all a fair chance and does not condem a person without them having the truth and their chance. Then God does not torture by fire forever those who will be lost in the final events.....they are consumed....burned up.....gone!!! This is also a long subject that many are misguided on.

Many believe man has an immortal soul. If so, how can God give eternal life to someone who has it. Man is mortal in body and spirit and can die the flesh death and be judged and die the second death (not torture) in the lake of fire. Only an immortal being can suffer (because of ruin of plans and failure) in the lake of fire.....that would be Satan and his fallen followers that were angels of God......all man is turned to ashes and never more. There are many misguided teachings to argue the point but all call God a liar and are taught by Christians that are misguided. But still they make God and Christ liars.

Let me say that I am far from one to teach. Due to Christians and their actions, I became very hurt, bitter, and angry. But I have learned much from the experience about people. I could tell you terrible things done to me and my family by so called good people. I do not mean a few tiny things but terrible, hard things of many! I am better now with my feelings and can now return with more understanding to that I should be. But I have much in flaws yet to presume to teach. I only say the things I do out of love for people and a hate for the untruth.

Believe no man....seek and find....prove all things.....the Bible interpets itself....all other interpetations are subject to mans flaws. If anyone wants the true faith....I will be glad to point to information that is free and from people who be as they should be. They will give,not ask for money,not bother you or contact you...but will be there for you if desired. Even then prove all things yourself with a true search and you will find it.

Peace!

This thread is quite different then the usual threads found in religion catagory.I am amazed in a good way cause no one tried to hijack the thread.No none beleivers tried to egg another person on into argueing.Fantastic.Opinions without put downs.There are so many religions,cults,personal beliefs,unbelievers in this world,never will all agree.It is good to see that can be done in a civil manner.
As to my opinion,Rilly and Holland girl seem to have same beliefs as I.No use to repeat it.As always to all.

I am glad it has been civil too.

This is not a rejection of anyone or their beliefs. I only want to be responsible for the things I say. To be grouped with others, places some of their statements into my box in the mind of others. Some things may be the same but others are not. I do not want any to be mislead by thinking I said something I did not by association. It is a good thing to remind people of. I am sure some things I say do not agree with you or Hollandgirl.

I embrace all in the truth....but am careful not to confuse by being linked until I know all the understanding of another.

But I would love to talk about the faith with any. No offence intended!

I think both are right here on earth .....

What a person believes is fine if the are not looking for the truth acconding to God. Then one must turn to the word of God to see what God says about a subject. In the Bible many words were translated into the word heaven. There are three mentioned in the Bible. Heaven is a high place...1 "where birds fly'..2 "where the stars are"...3 "the unseen abode of God" This is alos called the Heaven of heavens. Use a Strong's to find which word is which. Many words are written as hell also.1 "The trash area outside of Jerusalem was used by Christ as an example of the coming lake of fire at the end." 2 "The grave is another." 3 "Then there is the lake of fire to come." Use a Strong's to clear up which is which.

In Revelation, one scripture goes like this (KJ)...death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. How can hell be cast into hell.......the first word hell means grave, the abode of the dead. So! death and the grave were cast into the lake of fire. Now the verse makes sense.

Also read in Revelation that the new Jerusalem will decend from Heaven to the Earth and God will live among us on Earth.