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that very fair of you Sommers, and I think any decent person with the slightest level of integrity would do the same

Absolutely.

It also depends on the circumstances surrounding him taking the test, was he misled into believing they were his children?

If he took the test voluntarily, why was he suspicious that they were not his?

The facts are scant here, we are only speculating.

Nice, how will that help in a trusting relationship?

that simly assumes that all partners are actively sleeping around and not keeping count!! It would be a true invasion of marriage. When you do not trust her, leave her!!

Sommer,

This is like the discussion about adoption after the biological father had abandoned the mother at birth and then years after he grows up and claims his parenthood, when the kid is happy with his/her step father who adopted him/her. It it was that black and white, there would not be extensive cases of this matter. Or you don't have it in England?

It is crap is what it is, I make no bones about that.

I went through a massive residency case with my ex husband, because he fought for his children, when we split, not because he knew I would not take care of them, but because there was a significant amount of money involved and if he had them, then he would not have to pay me.

It resulted in my children being torn between us, something that I shamfacedly admit to being a party to and scars that are deep and painful, but never, never, would I have denied him his children, nor did he question who was the father.

A woman knows who is the father of her child or children and any woman that brings a child into the world and does not know who that father is, should not have the gift of them in the first place.

So Vido, your suggestion is one of the utmost insults I have ever read about marriage and what goes on in one.

Honestly, I could have screamed when I read that.

IF it was that black & white*

That Judge must have had a little Nip that morning,sure not an Action of a "Sober Judge".

Get all the elements right...if not, try to find reaosns why he judged this way!

Hi Cris.

No, it is nothing like that at all.

That is a different kettle of fish, there are laws that protect adopted children in the UK. And laws that protect the birth parents.

I have an adopted child, who is in touch with his birth parents, their financial responsibility, is voluntary.


This case is so far off adoptive children, it is not even questionable.

Unless, the man, and this is a slim chance, that he legally adopted those twins at the onset of the relationship.

And that does not look likely, given that he has had a test to determine that he is not the biological father.

Man,you really surprise me sometimes.

Yep, Conrad.

I agree.

If this judgement was made, in view of what we have been furnished with, then it is a poor judgement and does not bode well for our male species.

No it is not different since there is not only one kind of adoption. Absolute adoption and relative adoption. In the relative adoption, contacts with biological parents are kept...this doesn't happen in full adoption. I'm sure you have that differenciation as well in England.

Gawd! Are you for real???

There are two adoptions.

Cris.

One where the birth mother gives up her child for adoption.

The child goes to foster parents for the first six weeks of its life, adoptive parents are chosen by an agency that is governed by adoption law. The child is placed with the adoptive parents, at six weeks old.

The court will offer a temporary paper for six months, that will give the birth mother a chance to change her mind if she so wishes, there will be a final hearing when the child is around nine months old, where the birth mother will sign the papers to agree to giving up her rights as that child's mother.

Then there is the adoption process, of where a man can adopt a woman's children that he knows are not his, they get married, he AGREES to take them as his own, couret proceedings begin, the natural father, if he is available has to agree, if not available, and there is no contact, then the case will usually go through.

Where, in this case, is that similar?

This man, had a test to determine whether these twins were his, nowhere has there been any mention of adoption.

It is totally different, if a birth father comes back into an adopted child's life, it cannot be until that child is of a certian age, when he is an adult, and can decide for himself.

Sorry Cris, is is not similar.

The man had a test, which proved the children were not his, he has been ordered to pay, regardless of the marriage, the children, he has been ordered to pay for children that are not his.

And you say that is fair?

I do not think so, when in one sentence, that has happened.

Unfortunately Karma, he is.

I need a lawyer in here, where is Sexy when you need her?

A lot! Look at reasons for divorce: There are many couples, married for years and having kids together, and suddenly there is this mistrust and the question very often arrises: Is this child actually from me.

I don't know about the US, but in the German TV there are many "shows", where couples or ex-couples have their fatherhood officially proved or disproved. Many marriages went appart because of this! And if this would be cleared right in the beginning, both sides will benifit from it!

I also do understand that especially women are against it, coz it only proves that they did wrong!

I see this case as clear as crystal!! Put the responsibility where it is due...give to Caeser...etc. The man should simply not have been ordered to pay!!

Maybe the judge confused sentiments with rights

what an embarassment!! excuse me wife do you mind me checking if that child is mine?? How silly can we get? Obviously the father always can ask for a test if he is in doubt, but then he should test his relation with his wife first

Sommer,

The foolish thing about both of us is that we are standing in different perspectives, different principles (apparently). You are from a common system, i'm from a civil system. That makes a different analisis. Nevertheless, Canada being from common system, it seems like the judge in this case proferred my thinking. Anyway, it is always stupid to be certain about a judgment without having all the elements on the table. I'm sure that common system- UK mainly doesn't analise things just as black and white. The prove of that is that the apparent same cases can be judged in very different ways. You, the outsiders might thing that they are indeed similar, but all the nuances are taken into account on the final judgment, always, no matter if it common or civil law..., thus, we will simply burn here honey!
I'd love to find a case judged in England where it was the same way as it was in Canada. I'll do my best to find one. I'm not sure whether it will be today because i have an interesting event to attend but, oh, i'm curious about this alledged balck and white solution...which is not like that...i swear!

Gotta run now, really!