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Hugz_n_Kissez: Were the early Zionists planning on living side by side with Arabs?

In 1919, the American King-Crane Commission spent six weeks in Syria and Palestine, interviewing delegations and reading petitions. Their report stated, “The commissioners began their study of Zionism with minds predisposed in its favor...The fact came out repeatedly in the Commission’s conferences with Jewish representatives that the Zionists looked forward to a practically complete dispossession of the present non-Jewish inhabitants of Palestine, by various forms of purchase...

“If principle [of self-determination] is to rule, and so the wishes of Palestine’s population are to be decisive as to what is to be done with Palestine, then it is to be remembered that the non-Jewish population of Palestine — nearly nine-tenths of the whole — are emphatically against the entire Zionist program.. To subject a people so minded to unlimited Jewish immigration, and to steady financial and social pressure to surrender the land, would be a gross violation of the principle just quoted...No British officers, consulted by the Commissioners, believed that the Zionist program could be carried out except by force of arms.The officers generally thought that a force of not less than fifty thousand soldiers would be required even to initiate the program. That of itself is evidence of a strong sense of the injustice of the Zionist program...The initial claim, often submitted by Zionist representatives, that they have a ‘right’ to Palestine based on occupation of two thousand years ago, can barely be seriously considered.” Quoted in “The Israel-Arab Reader” ed. Laquer and Rubin.

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“Zionist land policy was incorporated in the Constitution of the Jewish Agency for Palestine...’land is to be acquired as Jewish property and..the title to the lands acquired is to be taken in the name of the Jewish National Fund, to the end that the same shall be held as the inalienable property of the Jewish people.’ The provision goes to stipulate that ‘the Agency shall promote agricultural colonization based on Jewish labor’...The effect of this Zionist colonization policy on the Arabs was that land acquired by Jews became extra-territorialized. It ceased to be land from which the Arabs could ever hope to gain any advantage...

“The Zionists made no secret of their intentions, for as early as 1921, Dr. Eder, a member of the Zionist Commission, boldly told the Court of Inquiry, ‘there can be only one National Home in Palestine, and that a Jewish one, and no equality in the partnership between Jews and Arabs, but a Jewish preponderance as soon as the numbers of the race are sufficiently increased.’ He then asked that only Jews should be allowed to bear arms.” Sami Hadawi, “Bitter Harvest.”

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.htmlNot hatred but truth...as told by the Jews for Justice....

Antjo39: You are not welcome in this thread honey. Here we are talking about the feats of Zionism not about all those hateful lies spewed by Anti-Jewish people.

(well,,,some monks here confuse the word Zionism with Jewish, and a race with a religion...)

Hugz_n_Kissez: Were the early Zionists planning on living side by side with Arabs?

In 1919, the American King-Crane Commission spent six weeks in Syria and Palestine, interviewing delegations and reading petitions. Their report stated, “The commissioners began their study of Zionism with minds predisposed in its favor...The fact came out repeatedly in the Commission’s conferences with Jewish representatives that the Zionists looked forward to a practically complete dispossession of the present non-Jewish inhabitants of Palestine, by various forms of purchase...

“If principle [of self-determination] is to rule, and so the wishes of Palestine’s population are to be decisive as to what is to be done with Palestine, then it is to be remembered that the non-Jewish population of Palestine — nearly nine-tenths of the whole — are emphatically against the entire Zionist program.. To subject a people so minded to unlimited Jewish immigration, and to steady financial and social pressure to surrender the land, would be a gross violation of the principle just quoted...No British officers, consulted by the Commissioners, believed that the Zionist program could be carried out except by force of arms.The officers generally thought that a force of not less than fifty thousand soldiers would be required even to initiate the program. That of itself is evidence of a strong sense of the injustice of the Zionist program...The initial claim, often submitted by Zionist representatives, that they have a ‘right’ to Palestine based on occupation of two thousand years ago, can barely be seriously considered.” Quoted in “The Israel-Arab Reader” ed. Laquer and Rubin.

Side by side — continued

“Zionist land policy was incorporated in the Constitution of the Jewish Agency for Palestine...’land is to be acquired as Jewish property and..the title to the lands acquired is to be taken in the name of the Jewish National Fund, to the end that the same shall be held as the inalienable property of the Jewish people.’ The provision goes to stipulate that ‘the Agency shall promote agricultural colonization based on Jewish labor’...The effect of this Zionist colonization policy on the Arabs was that land acquired by Jews became extra-territorialized. It ceased to be land from which the Arabs could ever hope to gain any advantage...

“The Zionists made no secret of their intentions, for as early as 1921, Dr. Eder, a member of the Zionist Commission, boldly told the Court of Inquiry, ‘there can be only one National Home in Palestine, and that a Jewish one, and no equality in the partnership between Jews and Arabs, but a Jewish preponderance as soon as the numbers of the race are sufficiently increased.’ He then asked that only Jews should be allowed to bear arms.” Sami Hadawi, “Bitter Harvest.”

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.htmlNot hatred but truth...as told by the Jews for Justice....

solitare: I will use a quote I myself heard in an open hearing in Toronto back in 1985, I believe at the offices of the 'human rights' tribunal case against those (despicable) racial hating 'white power' groups. Regarding the claims of the veracity of the messages, the commissioner stated that "Truth is the issue", but "broadcasting it on public communication systems do constitute a hate crime"...
If you wish to post further, please 'edit'/your comments as to praise the many splendoured benefits of Zionism...put on your rose tinted glasses please and see the 'Magic Kingdom'...

In response to: Zaqarna drove to the intersection of Aful'a 9th street division, and pulled in front of the #348 bus. As a group of Israeli students boarded the bus, Zaqarna detonated the bomb.

A few hours after the blast, Hamas issued a communique, "a confession of sorts", stating that the bombing was done by Ra'id Zaqarna, a member of the Abdel el-Rahman Hamadan cell of the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades. "You turned our Id al-Fitr [the end of Ramadan] into a black day, so we vow to turn your Independence day into Hell".

In response to: The Hadera central station suicide bombing was a 1994 Hamas suicide attack against Israel. The attack was exactly one week after Hamas previous attack, the Afula Bus suicide bombing.

Hamas bombmaker Yahya Ayyash built a bomb using two kilograms of home-made acetone peroxide explosive. Twenty-one year old Amar Salah Diab Amarna, a native of Yabed, was selected for the mission.

On the morning of April 13, 1994, Amarna boarded the 9:30 bus to Tel Aviv. At 9:40, as the bus was pulling out of the station, Amara placed the bag containing the bomb on the floor of the bus, "where shrapnel could rip through vital arteries in the groin area", and detonated it.

As Israeli rescue workers converged on the scene of the explosion, a second pipe bomb exploded. Hamas later claimed responsibility for the attack

In response to: al-Souwi chose an aisle seat on the left side of the bus, and placed the bomb (stored in a brown bag) at his feet. A wire ran from the bomb up his pants, to a switch in his jacket pocket.

At approximately 9:00 AM, as the bus was slowing down for a stop 100 metres north of Kikar Dizengoff (near the intersection with Re?ov Esther ha-Malkah), al-Souwi detonated the bomb. The powerful explosion lifted the bus off its chassis, the heat melted the fiberglass bus frame. "Limbs were projected like missile into the seating area of nearby restaurants"

Using DNA technology, Israeli police quickly identified al-Souwi as the perpetrator. The day after the bombing, with his identify confirmed using DNA, al-Souwi's family threw a neighborhood party celebrating his "martyrdom".

In response to: On the morning of April 9, 1995, Khaled Mohammed Khatib, a construction worker from the Nueirat refugee camp, waited on the main highway running from Ashkelon to the settlements in the Gaza Strip. At 11:45 AM, he rammed Egged bus 36. At the moment he rammed the bus, he flipped a trigger switch in the steering column, detonating a bomb in his car. Nine people were killed and twenty wounded.

solitare: Oh please post high praises for all the benefits the Israelis are currently distributing to the people of Gaza...you really need to have your magical rose tinted glasses on to see all the flowers and candy those ever so moral soldiers of Zion are giving out...not one of them is armed with guns, but only soft, cuddly little furry creatures for the kids to play with...

Drewski: quote]I think its great, tonight me and some friends are going to do a search of our home town for Palestinian children and kill them in support of Israel, maybe we can rape some women also.

No, you don't want to deliberately kill innocents like Hamas does, try to stop those who deliberately kill innocents.

Drewski: Deliberate killing of innocents cannot be compared to the acidentaly deaths of enablers and civilians while hunting down of those who deliberately kill innocents.
Gee, seems Hamas isn't even trying to hurt soldiers, just innocents. Gimmie a few minutes, bet I can find one or two more as these were only from 94 so we have another fourteen years to cover yet. Point being is that just about anything that can stop madness like the above is justified.

solitare: As another thread(fairly innocuous compared to some others) has AGAIN been pulled dealing with the current genocide in Gaza against the Palestinians, let's try a reverse thread, using 'reverse psychology. Here we will only post praise and adulation for the untold blessings and bountiful benefits that Zionism and Israel has forced upon the reluctant and unappreciative peoples of Gaza and elsewhere. So, let us put on our rose tinted glasses and look at the Walt Disney world of Zionism and Zionistic realities. I would first of all, like to issue a general acclamation giving thanks to all the divine help and assistance the State of Israel has given to the Palestinians of Gaza in the vast amounts of foods, medicines, drinking water, hotels, housing units, shopping malls, the hundreds of schools built to educate those poor destitute illiterate street urchins so lovingly referred to as 'kids', to the 'teachers' from Israel who have volunteered to come into Gaza to teach people about Israeli policies, the thousands of aid workers , the thousands of volunteer police who have dedicated their lives and have left their own families to uphold the tenets of law and order (and "western" civilization!) in Gaza against the ever elusive criminals there trying to incite riots and holding meetings denouncing the benefits of Zionist gifts to the peoples of Gaza.
As long as all posts only praise Israel and the divinity of Zionism will this thread continue, so let's hear it for Zionism! THREE CHEERS FOR ZIONISM!!!

In response to: Yes but do you know that Hamas is hiding among innocents and targeting civilians?????

In response to: If you saw the article I put on the news thread last night...they admitted to the U.N. privately of course...that there were no Hamas insurgents hiding inside the school where they killed innocent children...but the firing was coming from outside the U.N. compound..yet publicly they are still maintaining there were being fired at from inside the school...

In response to: Dotcha think it's cause they have to justify killing god knows how many innocent children and that similar stories aren't engineered to justify each attack upon the Palestinians?????

That in itself should make you question the truthfulness of what Israel is reporting...

In response to: Go out with the true spirit of Yahweh and truly love thy neighbor! Shame on those who only spew racial and religious hatred here. Set up your own threads.

In response to: On the morning of February 25, 1996, a suicide bomber exploded himself on Bus number 18 on the main Jaffa Road near the Jerusalem Central Bus Station. 26 victims were killed; 48 injured.

On the morning of March 3, 1996, a suicide bomber exploded again in the same bus line, this time killing 19 Israelis and others, and wounding 7 more.

A Palestinian suicide bomber blew himself up outside Dizengoff Center in downtown Tel Aviv, Israel, killing 14 Israelis and wounding 130, including children in costume in honor of the holiday.Hamas and Islamic Jihad both claimed responsibility for the bombing.

The blast went off just after 4 p.m. outside Dizengoff Center, the largest shopping mall in Tel Aviv. Before detonating the bomb, the bomber had tried to enter the shopping center but when policemen stationed at the entrance appeared suspicious, he turned toward a group of people near a row of cash machines and set off the explosive device, which was strapped to his body.

pretzelman: again, we are talking about peace or war in other countries...but we can't even quit calling each other names. That is pathetic.What is wrong with debate without tearing each other apart??

Drewski: Solitare

Perfect. Just don't do it lke these guys did;
Remember, if you deliberately attack women and children then you set yourself up for people to justifiably do whatever it takes to try to make sure you don't do it again.

In response to: The British government used to kill innocent women and children in Ireland,

In response to: NEVER NEVER NEVER is it acceptable to kill innocent people no matter what their countrymen do. NEVER NEVER NEVER

In response to: The Passover massacre(also known as the Netanya bombing) was a suicide bombing carried out by a Palestinian militant in the Park Hotel at Netanya, Israel on March 27, 2002. The attack killed 30 Israeli civilians and triggered Operation Defensive Shield.

The attack occurred on the night of March 27, when the traditional Jewish holiday of Passover was celebrated. The Park Hotel in Netanya held a large Passover dinner for its 250 guests, especially elderly Jews who didn't have family and relatives, in the ground-floor dining room. A Palestinian suicide bomber passed a security guard at the hotel's entrance, walked through the lobby passing the reception desk and entered the hotel's dining room where he detonated an explosive device he carried in a suitcase. Twenty-eight people were immediately killed, and about 140 were injured, of whom 20 were seriously injured. Two of the injured later died from their wounds. Some of the victims were Holocaust survivors.

Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

Drewski: Arran

Deliberately as a matter of policy? Wow. I'll need some extensive links for this one.

Arron

That is correct however, ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS try your best to stop people from killing your innocents, now, and n the future.