Alternative Lifestyles AKA Swinging

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ocean78382 Rockport- Corpus Christi area, Texas USA
Now before you moralize- take a look at the threads about conventional relationships - half of them are unhappy people whining.

I've done divorces and counseling for years,however you don't need me to tell you the divorce rate is now about 60% and with younger generations will only get worse.

I'm also not interested in what your priest thinks. I spent many years as a prosecutor, and while your priest was telling you sex is only good for procreating but I doubt they are seriously making babies with all those little boys. Think for a moment- if thousands of cases have been uncovered, how many families, kids etc were too afraid to come forward. For normal rapes its 50% for this - very few.

Ok I'd like intelligent discussion. IF you check Craiglist causual encounters this stuff has exploded. All kinds of scenes - couples for men - couples for couples - everything.

Is jealousy love or insecurity? Many of the most jealous people also abuse -physically/ verbally. Is that love?

I bring up this topic because I've found over the years that very few of my divorces are these alternative lifestyle couples. I also know many who stay married cheat, and just as many hardly sleep together after a few years. ( I did volunteer counseling with couples one day a week for 5 years).

Aside from old fashioned society being against this - can it be denied that a person being pleasured by two others is at leaston a physical scale more exciting? Does - as these people claim- watching your partner being pleasured - really exciting?


Anyway take a minute to think and tell me what you think and or may have tried.
Sparky55 Kabul Afghanistan
I can understand the appeal of such a thing but it's not something I would do.
mindfful London Chicago, Illinois USA
i have loads to share regarding my thots on the subject
but in my humble opinion your post was really negative and controlling and not an inviting place to share

but what do i know?


rolling on the floor laughing
kellydenise cleveland, Ohio USA
Not interested. with me, it is a personal choice, not societial values.
KrazieStill Bristol, Connecticut USA
Not for me. Know a few couples that do it.
SamStoli Columbus, Ohio USA
IMO, only perverts do those kinds of things.
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sassy49senior Itty Bitty, Nebraska USA

Absolutely not in my lifetime. thumbs down
CuspofMagic Crystal City, South Australia Australia
live let live - I will just add the organic side of life is just like eating crayfish and loving the texture the flavour etc etc etc--- but can you eat it every day ?--- and when you have eaten through all the different varietys of 'crayfish" whats next

getting in tune with ones spiritual self is most probably the most diffucult thing to achieve 9 In an organic driven society) and I mean without the use of icons/dogma --- just you the universe energy and space
druidess6308 Reverse, Pennsylvania USA
I've never been one to care what society or any of the clergy think of what I do. It's a personal choice for me, and who I am...I'm monogamous by nature. I've never slept with anyone but the person I'm dating at the time, even in my wildest years. I don't judge anyone else for what they do, as long as two partners consent to this I see nothing wrong with it if it's right for them. But I am a one-man woman, and prefer a one-woman man.

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Jan1305 Sunshine and vino, Murcia Spain
Alternative lifestyle is simply that, a different lifestyle to what is generally accepted as the norm. What is the norm? and who are we to judge? I don´t believe though that these people are any happier than a monogamous couple, just not satisfied.

Incidentally, your comments about your experiences when counselling are way off the mark. My sex life was even better after 25 years of marriage. As a counsellor you see the problems, don´t take this out of context with what the majority of people are doing, living life and being happy with their lot.
Ambrose2007 Badger, South Dakota USA
Jan1305: Alternative lifestyle is simply that, a different lifestyle to what is generally accepted as the norm. What is the norm? and who are we to judge? I don´t believe though that these people are any happier than a monogamous couple, just not satisfied.

Incidentally, your comments about your experiences when counselling are way off the mark. My sex life was even better after 25 years of marriage. As a counsellor you see the problems, don´t take this out of context with what the majority of people are doing, living life and being happy with their lot.


Exactly. One major problem with Ocean's thesis is its slanted perspective. The vast majority of couples prefer monogamy (in principle, at least), and are not looking to escape it.

I'd conjecture that people who need multiple partners are by and large commitmentphobics - that is, they deal with their fears of being constrained by the commitment to one person through having permanent or semi-permanent alternatives formally built into their lives.








Tater springfield, Illinois USA
Swingers = barf
mindfful London Chicago, Illinois USA
face it peeps
real intimacy aint for the faint of heart
i cant wait for 25 yrs

if its this weird and hard now the payoff is obviously gonna be amazing

and i am older and finally up to it

woot woot!head banger
philbert Newport, Vermont USA
Tater: Swingers =

You sure don't waste any words Tater.... lol
ocean78382 Rockport- Corpus Christi area, Texas USA
Intersting

lets see Ambrose says the vast majority of people say they prefer monogamy--

I have 3 basic replies:


A. SO THEY SAY! most studies show most people have cheated! Or they have ADMITTED cheating.

B. once again so they say but then MOST people get divorced

C. Actually on things like this those who do believe in these lifestyles usually don't say - just like if we asked how many people have smoked pot or smoke it now? Not everyone wants to admit it. HOWEVER people are often too much like sheep and do what the majority do - THE VAST MAJORITY of Americans were in favor of segregation when I was born. The generation before that was cool with lynching and the one before that Slavery. New ideas take time. Most people didn't feel women should have the same jobs or pay as men until the last 40 years.

True my experience counseling people and doing divorces gives me a negative view on marriages, however the figure of 60% getting divorces is a NATIONAL NUMBER. It has little to do with me- face it traditional marriage has failed.

Now Ambrose you are CONJECTURING -- based on what?- I would read profiles on some of the sites and these couples have been together many years. You can conjecture all you want but how many people have you talked to that practice this?

This is mostly an intellectual excercise to see how open-minded people are and what experiences they have. I am dating in a pretty much traditional type thing -whether we do anything wild in the future is up in the air. Right now shes next to me watching a boring HBO "Love and other disasters"

Ambrose2007 Badger, South Dakota USA
ocean78382: Intersting

lets see Ambrose says the vast majority of people say they prefer monogamy--

I have 3 basic replies: A. SO THEY SAY! most studies show most people have cheated! Or they have ADMITTED cheating.

B. once again so they say but then MOST people get divorced

C. Actually on things like this those who do believe in these lifestyles usually don't say - just like if we asked how many people have smoked pot or smoke it now? Not everyone wants to admit it. HOWEVER people are often too much like sheep and do what the majority do - THE VAST MAJORITY of Americans were in favor of segregation when I was born. The generation before that was cool with lynching and the one before that Slavery. New ideas take time. Most people didn't feel women should have the same jobs or pay as men until the last 40 years.

True my experience counseling people and doing divorces gives me a negative view on marriages, however the figure of 60% getting divorces is a NATIONAL NUMBER. It has little to do with me- face it traditional marriage has failed.

Now Ambrose you are CONJECTURING -- based on what?- I would read profiles on some of the sites and these couples have been together many years. You can conjecture all you want but how many people have you talked to that practice this?

This is mostly an intellectual excercise to see how open-minded people are and what experiences they have. I am dating in a pretty much traditional type thing -whether we do anything wild in the future is up in the air. Right now shes next to me watching a boring HBO "Love and other disasters"


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Right, Ocean - that's how I would've answered myself, playing Devil's advocate. I added "in principle" after "most people prefer monogamy" as a qualifier intended to acknowledge that such a preference doesn't necessarily mean that it's fulfilled.

A lifelong romantic relationship is clearly difficult to achieve, particularly in this day and age. That doesn't imply, of course, that alternative relationships would fare any better (though that is a legitimate question). The other assumption, that monogamy is inferior or fatally flawed because of the rate of marriage-failure, doesn't necessarily follow. Monogamy could still be the most satisfying form of romantic relationship - while it lasts (for instance). In other words, one can't sensibly deduce that monogamy is inferior/inherently flawed because a monogamous relationship doesn't last until the death of one or both parties.

Nor can one assume, as you pointed out, that because the majority of people prefer monogamy that it is the best form of romantic relationship. That would require some pretty substantial study to corroborate, and I doubt that such an in-depth comparative study has ever been performed.

However, in the absence of such a study, I think monogamy for humans is probably a presumptive best choice, if for no other reason that it currently predominates.

That actually sounds like a kind of interesting program to me...dunno conversing wave
Dknew Lee, New Hampshire USA
not my thing, Besides I'm to damn selfish, I want her to myself.
mindfful London Chicago, Illinois USA
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Tater springfield, Illinois USA
philbert: You sure don't waste any words Tater.... lol


Well all my words would be moralizing it, and he doesn't want that.....laugh
mindfful London Chicago, Illinois USA
Tater: Well all my words would be moralizing it, and he doesn't want that.....


good call tater




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