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Always said terrorists are cowards, hide behind innocents to shield themelves, I hope thier 72 virgins turn out to be goats.

and their proxies and unwitting apologists who deflect their actions onto others, are but box thinking Lennin's 'useful idiots.'

Correction: Only 42!

Another contradiction in this religion:

How will a virgin know what a man desires?

Point her my way and I'll teach her

Most don't. Had one that thought that gnawing on 'it' was the idea.

Owwww.

'what do you want me to do, I'll do anything.' then when you tell them they go

'WHAT?!!!!!'

Virgins, they're for guys that like it plain and ordinary.

That gnawing thing is a global problem

Arran

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Particularly I do not find this surprising. Hamas, as any political party has as a major goal its own interest, its own portion of control and manipilation.

On the other hand, if we see the fundamentalist nature and origins of Hamas then it gets clearer why the Zionist elites feel at home by fighting with such an opponent. I just mention this for those that have serious Biased Sight Disorder, probably caused by a wrong assumption working in the level of their subconscience, namely: "Westerners should consider any form of terrorism from the Arabs as dangerous for our civilizaton and very basic individual existence while any kind of terrorism from Israel should be seen as the just response of a country that one way or the other is defending us from the Muslims"

I know many people will not admit this (though they mention it explicitily, one way or the other), let alone admitting that behind their prejudices lay their fears and little selfishness. That is the why things are, I know.

Bibliography and reports abound on the origins of Hamas and the "Dr. Frankenstein" Israel (having happened this not only once, just have a look at the CIA history, do you need more evidence?) I will bring up a piece that is representative and definitely not produced by Muslims or any other kind of "hate-spewers":

(Produced by Richard Sale UPI)

"Israel and Hamas may currently be locked in deadly combat, but, according to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years. Israel 'aided Hamas directly – the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization),' said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic [and International] Studies. Israel's support for Hamas 'was a direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative,' said a former senior CIA official."

I will be so glad that this thread is not closed, glad and so spoiled by my own "insight". Well,I am exaggerating, one does not need to be so brilliant to see why this thread´s tittle might have the approval of censorship (yes I know the singularity of this thread is that some Muslims are not that extremist or not terrorist right?)
We´ll see if I am wrong about this.

Religions are not theoreticla construction therefore they are not exposed to be attacked in terms of their "contradictions"

Take a course of "Basic Epistemology for JERKS"

And now, another piece of info from the same journalist (is he a hater of Jewish too, oh! probably!)

Read, read, at least in the Internet. It is free. And when you pass that task I will give you some serious books on the subject to read.

Hamas history tied to Israel

By Richard Sale
UPI Terrorism Correspondent

06/18/02 "UPI" -- --- In the wake of a suicide bomb attack Tuesday on a crowded Jerusalem city bus that killed 19 people and wounded at least 70 more, the Islamic Resistance Movement, Hamas, took credit for the blast.

Israeli officials called it the deadliest attack in Jerusalem in six years.

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon immediately vowed to fight "Palestinian terror" and summoned his cabinet to decide on a military response to the organization that Sharon had once described as "the deadliest terrorist group that we have ever had to face."

Active in Gaza and the West Bank, Hamas wants to liberate all of Palestine and establish a radical Islamic state in place of Israel. It is has gained notoriety with its assassinations, car bombs and other acts of terrorism.

But Sharon left something out.

Israel and Hamas may currently be locked in deadly combat, but, according to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years.

Israel "aided Hamas directly -- the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies.

Israel's support for Hamas "was a direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative," said a former senior CIA official.

According to documents United Press International obtained from the Israel-based Institute for Counter Terrorism, Hamas evolved from cells of the Muslim Brotherhood, founded in Egypt in 1928. Islamic movements in Israel and Palestine were "weak and dormant" until after the 1967 Six Day War in which Israel scored a stunning victory over its Arab enemies.

To be continued

After 1967, a great part of the success of the Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood was due to their activities among the refugees of the Gaza Strip. The cornerstone of the Islamic movements success was an impressive social, religious, educational and cultural infrastructure, called Da'wah, that worked to ease the hardship of large numbers of Palestinian refugees, confined to camps, and many who were living on the edge.

"Social influence grew into political influence," first in the Gaza Strip, then on the West Bank, said an administration official who spoke on condition of anonymity.

According to ICT papers, Hamas was legally registered in Israel in 1978 by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the movement's spiritual leader, as an Islamic Association by the name Al-Mujamma al Islami, which widened its base of supporters and sympathizers by religious propaganda and social work.

According to U.S. administration officials, funds for the movement came from the oil-producing states and directly and indirectly from Israel. The PLO was secular and leftist and promoted Palestinian nationalism. Hamas wanted to set up a transnational state under the rule of Islam, much like Khomeini's Iran.

What took Israeli leaders by surprise was the way the Islamic movements began to surge after the Iranian revolution, after armed resistance to Israel sprang up in southern Lebanon vis-?-vis the Hezbollah, backed by Iran, these sources said.

"Nothing provides the energy for imitation as much as success," commented one administration expert.

A further factor of Hamas' growth was the fact the PLO moved its base of operations to Beirut in the '80s, leaving the Islamic organization to grow in influence in the Occupied Territories "as the court of last resort," he said.

When the intifada began, Israeli leadership was surprised when Islamic groups began to surge in membership and strength. Hamas immediately grew in numbers and violence. The group had always embraced the doctrine of armed struggle, but the doctrine had not been practiced and Islamic groups had not been subjected to suppression the way groups like Fatah had been, according to U.S. government officials.

But with the triumph of the Khomeini revolution in Iran, with the birth of Iranian-backed Hezbollah terrorism in Lebanon, Hamas began to gain in strength in Gaza and then in the West Bank, relying on terror to resist the Israeli occupation.

Israel was certainly funding the group at that time. One U.S. intelligence source who asked not to be named said that not only was Hamas being funded as a "counterweight" to the PLO, Israeli aid had another purpose: "To help identify and channel towards Israeli agents Hamas members who were dangerous terrorists."

In addition, by infiltrating Hamas, Israeli informers could only listen to debates on policy and identify Hamas members who "were dangerous hard-liners," the official said.

In the end, as Hamas set up a very comprehensive counterintelligence system, many collaborators with Israel were weeded out and shot. Violent acts of terrorism became the central tenet, and Hamas, unlike the PLO, was unwilling to compromise in any way with Israel, refusing to acquiesce in its very existence.

But even then, some in Israel saw some benefits to be had in trying to continue to give Hamas support: "The thinking on the part of some of the right-wing Israeli establishment was that Hamas and the others, if they gained control, would refuse to have any part of the peace process and would torpedo any agreements put in place," said a U.S. government official who asked not to be named.

"Israel would still be the only democracy in the region for the United States to deal with," he said.

All of which disgusts some former U.S. intelligence officials.

"The thing wrong with so many Israeli operations is that they try to be too sexy," said former CIA official Vincent Cannestraro.

According to former State Department counter-terrorism official Larry Johnson, "the Israelis are their own worst enemies when it comes to fighting terrorism."

"The Israelis are like a guy who sets fire to his hair and then tries to put it out by hitting it with a hammer."

"They do more to incite and sustain terrorism than curb it," he said.

Aid to Hamas may have looked clever, "but it was hardly designed to help smooth the waters," he said. "An operation like that gives weight to President George Bush's remark about there being a crisis in education."


Cordesman said that a similar attempt by Egyptian intelligence to fund Egypt's fundamentalists had also come to grief because of "misreading of the complexities."

An Israeli defense official was asked if Israel had given aid to Hamas said, "I am not able to answer that question. I was in Lebanon commanding a unit at the time, besides it is not my field of interest."

Asked to confirm a report by U.S. officials that Brig. Gen. Yithaq Segev, the military governor of Gaza, had told U.S. officials he had helped fund "Islamic movements as a counterweight to the PLO and communists," the official said he could confirm only that he believed Segev had served back in 1986.

The Israeli Embassy press office referred UPI to its Web site when asked to comment.

Copyright © 2001-2004 United Press International

That's exactly right.

And it's still in progress. The rank and file Hamas members are just dupes and serve as cannon fodder.

But the leadership has direct ties to Israel. Israel provides all the arms, including the worthless rockets that cannot be aimed with any precision.

Israeli agents provide the rockets, other Israeli agents (Hamas leadership) fire the rockets into Israeli occupied settlements (with almost no casualties or damage) and that serves as justification for the ongoing genocide.

Israel "retaliates" with massive attacks using all of their hi-tech and very deadly armaments. They target schools, refugee centers, hospitals, police stations, fire stations, ambulances, etc etc etc.

Their objective being to destroy the Palestinian infrastructure, render any hope of a Palestinian state impossible and making life so difficult that the remaining Palestinians can't raise families.

It can only be called genocide.

So I watch to much Jeff Dunham, I stand corrected

you shoe your true colors!! Your distain for Muslims shines through. Since ALL Muslims, not only extremist, believe in the 42 virgins, your comment shows your disrespect for the Muslim religion.

BUT...that is your right. Go for it

Sorry, but you lost me there - I cannot watch US TV here. But I heard also people talking about 72! Whatever you can manage!

But they love to die for that! How else will you explain the Mumbay Massaker?

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How do you even know if they will even be women, there might be 42/72 virgin men, just waiting to give them some lovin' now that would be funny

I have no disrespect for muslims I have a heap load of disrespect for terrorists, I know there are many many peace loving muslims. The statement was I hope the terrorists virgins turn out to be goats, don't put words into my mouth that I didn't speak.