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robertomarzipani Brussels, Brussels (Bruxelles) Belgium
my sister is Canadian and lives in B.C.
I've visited her and her family a number of times.
I also visited other parts of Canada.
the east and north
I met a lot of great people there and even thought of immigrating.
I particularly like Montreal and Toronto
I even stayed on two native American reservations and was made feel very welcome
the nature is breathtaking
but I've never been to Alberta unfortunately
Drewski Olds, Alberta Canada
Robert
In response to: but I've never been to Alberta unfortunately


It's fast. Nobody sits around wondering what to do as there is so much work that a thousand years wouldn't be enough. Here we probably won't see much of a recession as there is virtually no such thing as unemployment if you have all your limbs and are at least somewhere below the legal alcohol limit when you check in for work. You've never seen anything like this. The middle of nowhere but everything is so fast paced and so clean yet so much roads. Every mile there is a road going north south or east west and all farm land in between. Under all that farmland there almost as much oil as Saudi Arabia has so, oil field companies are all over the place trying to pull it out,hiring and keeping minimum wages right out of the picture as an unskilled idiot who owns an alarm clock can make $20 an hour starting wage plus another fifty a day for meals.

As for beauty, BC or Ontario or the Maritimes but here, it's good people who work hard and always will.



littleboy Ankara, Central Anatolia Turkey
drewski the bastard polish of canada.In the who s opposing the peace in Gazza topic you used one word ''ass lickin god.''

You fukkface you dont speak like that about something holy for some of the people.

Dont you have anything to respect.Appearently no.

What happened?you ve ended up in Canada as a polish and you go nuts there.
Dont take the names Allah or God to your filthy mouth again,you cunt.

Conrad73 Lonesome Town Zurich, Zrich Switzerland
littleboy: drewski the bastard polish of canada.In the who s opposing the peace in Gazza topic you used one word ''ass lickin god.''

You fukkface you dont speak like that about something holy for some of the people.

Dont you have anything to respect.Appearently no.

What happened?you ve ended up in Canada as a polish and you go nuts there.
Dont take the names Allah or God to your filthy mouth again,you cunt.
What happen,have you just lost your mind?doh
RayfromUSA vienne, Rhone-Alpes France
Conrad73: You would like for all Jews to be something like what Peter Lorre portrayed in Casablanca.
Well,I have News for you,that Jew died in the Warsaw Ghetto,and a new one took his Place.One that is not taking Shit from anybody.
Is that what frightens you so much?


I agree with you Conrad, the rise of Zionism greatly affected the "Jewish" race/religion/sect/whatever it is.

It doesn't "frighten" me.
But it reminds me of a dog I once knew.

As a small puppy the dog was very friendly.
But his master wanted him to grow up to be a fierce guard dog.
And when the pup was 6 months old, somebody told the guy that he should mix cordite into the puppy's food.
It literally drove the dog crazy.
After that, even the dog's master couldn't touch him.
It was impossible for the dog to trust anyone or to receive any sort of affection or kindness.
He saw everybody as his enemy and would bite anyone who came near or tried to touch him.
He had to be put down.

Jews are just people like everybody else.
There is no inherent difference.
But collectively, in the context of Zionism and the State of Israel, the Jews remind me very much of that puppy.
It's sad.



sambhava Vasteras, Vastmanland Sweden
I reckon God and Allah have created more wars and bloodshed between them all over this planet than any other non-existent beings to date!
littleboy: drewski the bastard polish of canada.In the who s opposing the peace in Gazza topic you used one word ''ass lickin god.''

You fukkface you dont speak like that about something holy for some of the people.

Dont you have anything to respect.Appearently no.

What happened?you ve ended up in Canada as a polish and you go nuts there.
Dont take the names Allah or God to your filthy mouth again,you cunt.
RayfromUSA vienne, Rhone-Alpes France
nora83: well , thanks RayfromUSA, but did you mean that Hamas is an israeli agent ? please explain


Yes, Hamas started out as a btanch of the Muslim brotherhood which is a benevolent Islamic organization with chariy and educational projects all over the world.

It was registered in Israel as a charity organization.

At that time the PLO was entirely secular, and was gaining a lot of sympathy worldwide.

That was the epoch where world opinion was pushing for the establishment of a Palestinian State without Israeli occupation.

There was no ongoing warfare then. Although there were occasional violations of the ceasefire on both sides.

Under those circumstances Israel could not bomb Palestine or annex Palestinian territory without incurring strong opposition from the international community.

So Israel chose and gave it funds and set it up within Palestine and used paid agents to radicalize it. The intent was that Hamas become fanatically Islamic.

A few atrocities against Palestinians and assassinations of the more moderate Hamas leaders and their families made the process of radicalization easier.

As planned, Hamas began to organize attacks against Israeli outposts including some suicide bombers. This was exactly what Israel wanted.

The world opinion of the Palestinian struggle changed radically.

Initially it was viewed as an oppressed people fighting desperately in their own homeland against a foreign occupying army.

But with the rise of Hamas the conflict was viewed as one of fanatical religious extremists fighting against a modern (supposedly) secular state.

That new paridigm was highly publicized by the world press (controlled by you know who) and thereafter support for Palestinian rights was associated with support for fanatical Moslem extremism.

Even to this day Israel furnishes the very rockets that Hamas fires harmlessly back into Israeli settlements and other Israeli-held parts of Palestine.

Rank and file Hamas members probably really believe they are fighting Israel. But the leaders certainly know they are helping Israel.

So yes, Hamas works for Israel.

LILLYLADY 10 Sneeze Town, Ohio USA
RayfromUSA: Yes, Hamas started out as a btanch of the Muslim brotherhood which is a benevolent Islamic organization with chariy and educational projects all over the world.

It was registered in Israel as a charity organization.

At that time the PLO was entirely secular, and was gaining a lot of sympathy worldwide.

That was the epoch where world opinion was pushing for the establishment of a Palestinian State without Israeli occupation.

There was no ongoing warfare then. Although there were occasional violations of the ceasefire on both sides.

Under those circumstances Israel could not bomb Palestine or annex Palestinian territory without incurring strong opposition from the international community.

So Israel chose and gave it funds and set it up within Palestine and used paid agents to radicalize it. The intent was that Hamas become fanatically Islamic.

A few atrocities against Palestinians and assassinations of the more moderate Hamas leaders and their families made the process of radicalization easier.

As planned, Hamas began to organize attacks against Israeli outposts including some suicide bombers. This was exactly what Israel wanted.

The world opinion of the Palestinian struggle changed radically.

Initially it was viewed as an oppressed people fighting desperately in their own homeland against a foreign occupying army.

But with the rise of Hamas the conflict was viewed as one of fanatical religious extremists fighting against a modern (supposedly) secular state.

That new paridigm was highly publicized by the world press (controlled by you know who) and thereafter support for Palestinian rights was associated with support for fanatical Moslem extremism.

Even to this day Israel furnishes the very rockets that Hamas fires harmlessly back into Israeli settlements and other Israeli-held parts of Palestine.

Rank and file Hamas members probably really believe they are fighting Israel. But the leaders certainly know they are helping Israel.

So yes, Hamas works for Israel.



How much did yo get paid and have to drink tonight to come up with this fable? No, don't answer, I really don't want to know. Don't want to make you mad now. Just keep it to yourself please.
alexey8 Chico, California USA
LILLYLADY: How much did yo get paid and have to drink tonight to come up with this fable? No, don't answer, I really don't want to know. Don't want to make you mad now. Just keep it to yourself please.


Hello lillylady, I e-mailed you about israel, but i think it will go to your filterbox, so I wanted to send you a message here, so that you are aware that I have sent you some mail.



littleboy Ankara, Central Anatolia Turkey
Sorry i was drunk that nite and had some kind of davos syndrome.



littleboy Ankara, Central Anatolia Turkey
sambhava: I reckon God and Allah have created more wars and bloodshed between them all over this planet than any other non-existent beings to date!



Sorry i was drunk that nite and had some kind of davos syndrome



pretzelman Las Vegas, Nevada USA
aren't Muslims against everything???? Except Muslims??



Aren't all religions against everything, except those that believe in that particular religion???dunno dunno
bodleing Greater Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK
RayfromUSA: Yes, Hamas started out as a btanch of the Muslim brotherhood which is a benevolent Islamic organization with chariy and educational projects all over the world.

It was registered in Israel as a charity organization.

At that time the PLO was entirely secular, and was gaining a lot of sympathy worldwide.

That was the epoch where world opinion was pushing for the establishment of a Palestinian State without Israeli occupation.

There was no ongoing warfare then. Although there were occasional violations of the ceasefire on both sides.

Under those circumstances Israel could not bomb Palestine or annex Palestinian territory without incurring strong opposition from the international community.

So Israel chose and gave it funds and set it up within Palestine and used paid agents to radicalize it. The intent was that Hamas become fanatically Islamic.

A few atrocities against Palestinians and assassinations of the more moderate Hamas leaders and their families made the process of radicalization easier.

As planned, Hamas began to organize attacks against Israeli outposts including some suicide bombers. This was exactly what Israel wanted.

The world opinion of the Palestinian struggle changed radically.

Initially it was viewed as an oppressed people fighting desperately in their own homeland against a foreign occupying army.

But with the rise of Hamas the conflict was viewed as one of fanatical religious extremists fighting against a modern (supposedly) secular state.

That new paridigm was highly publicized by the world press (controlled by you know who) and thereafter support for Palestinian rights was associated with support for fanatical Moslem extremism.

Even to this day Israel furnishes the very rockets that Hamas fires harmlessly back into Israeli settlements and other Israeli-held parts of Palestine.

Rank and file Hamas members probably really believe they are fighting Israel. But the leaders certainly know they are helping Israel.

So yes, Hamas works for Israel.


I believe there's more than a modicum of truth in
this post.thumbs up



littleboy Ankara, Central Anatolia Turkey
pretzelman: aren't Muslims against everything???? Except Muslims??
Aren't all religions against everything, except those that believe in that particular religion???



I do not think it s a good way to separate people with their religion.By saying muslims and christians you also discriminate the other lunatics who worships the statues.

This technique of keeping people together by religion is getting old now and it began to not to work.

And there are still people who says ''Muslims bla bla''or Christians bla bla''
Jews bla bla bla.(lilylady dont get offended by the third bla.)

Just get rid of that thoughts.Me i m going to plant apples this season.And also researching ways to grow up trees faster.

I ve seen one farm in the states who makes earthworms pies and use it as fertilizer.He said that it was a secret to make em pies at once and get their urine.But stupid guy he couldnt hide the aliminium folio under the worms.He simply was giving few volts of electric to make em pies.

See i m busy with those,to save the planet while you are very busy with holy wars.What are we going to do if some errogant leader fires some nuclear missile for a religious war.

Let me tell you earth will get out of the orbit and we ll all be
spread in to the space as coacroaches.

peace



pretzelman Las Vegas, Nevada USA
Give the bong back to Michael Phelps!!!

We are already separated by religious thought! And we always will be. The peace love generation died out for a reason!
rizlared Pisa, Tuscany Italy
RayfromUSA: That's exactly right.

And it's still in progress. The rank and file Hamas members are just dupes and serve as cannon fodder.

But the leadership has direct ties to Israel. Israel provides all the arms, including the worthless rockets that cannot be aimed with any precision.

Israeli agents provide the rockets, other Israeli agents (Hamas leadership) fire the rockets into Israeli occupied settlements (with almost no casualties or damage) and that serves as justification for the ongoing genocide.

Israel "retaliates" with massive attacks using all of their hi-tech and very deadly armaments. They target schools, refugee centers, hospitals, police stations, fire stations, ambulances, etc etc etc.

Their objective being to destroy the Palestinian infrastructure, render any hope of a Palestinian state impossible and making life so difficult that the remaining Palestinians can't raise families.

It can only be called genocide.




Myth:

"Israel created Hamas."

Fact:

Israel had nothing to do with the creation of Hamas.The organization grew out of the ideology and practice of the Islamic fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood movement that arose in Egypt in the 1920s.

Hamas was legally registered in Israel in 1978 as an Islamic Association by Sheikh Ahmad Yassin. Initially, the organization engaged primarily in social welfare activities and soon developed a reputation for improving the lives of Palestinians, particularly the refugees in the Gaza Strip.

Though Hamas was committed from the outset to destroying Israel, it took the position that this was a goal for the future, and that the more immediate focus should be on winning the hearts and minds of the people through its charitable and educational activities. Its funding came primarily from Jordan and Saudi Arabia.

The PLO was convinced that Israel was helping Hamas in the hope of triggering a civil war. Since Hamas did not engage in terror at first, Israel did not see it as a serious short-term threat, and some Israelis believed the rise of fundamentalism in Gaza would have the beneficial impact of weakening the PLO, and this is what ultimately happened.

Hamas certainly didn't believe it was being supported by Israel. As early as February 1988, the group put out a primer on how its members should behave if confronted by the Shin Bet. Several more instructional documents were distributed by Hamas to teach followers how to confront the Israelis and maintain secrecy.

Israel's assistance was more passive than active; that is, it did not interfere with Hamas activities or prevent funds from flowing into the organization from abroad. Israel also may have provided some funding to allow its security forces to infiltrate the organization. Meanwhile, Jordan was actively helping Hamas, with the aim of undermining the PLO and strengthening Jordanian influence in the territories.

Though some Israelis were very concerned about Hamas before rioting began in December 1987, Israel was reluctant to interfere with an Islamic organization, fearing that it might trigger charges of violating the Palestinians' freedom of religion. It was not until early in the intifada, when Hamas became actively involved in the violence, that the group began to be viewed as a potentially greater threat than the PLO. The turning point occurred in the summer of 1988 when Israel learned that Hamas was stockpiling arms to build an underground force and Hamas issued its covenant calling for the destruction of Israel. At this point it became clear that Hamas was not going to put off its jihad to liberate Palestine and was shifting its emphasis from charitable and educational activity to terrorism. Israel then began to crack down on Hamas and wiped out its entire command structure. Hamas has been waging a terror war against Israel ever since.
LILLYLADY 10 Sneeze Town, Ohio USA
Well Riz, looks like Ray is busted again with his conspiracy stories, huh? Bet he'll come back with something else.
highfidelity Europe, Bundesland Germany

Riz .. did you make Lilly happy again ?

Just kidding - really - This was an interesting post for a change, better as again your claims that Israel is a peaceful Nation, and Hamas are the Terrorists.
But this time - oh wonder - you where also stating that in the beginning Hamas was a benificial organization for the population in Gaza. That their original aim was creating a social network for the Palestinians, which is usually of no ones concern and normally denied to Palestinians.
But then as even you know, with the continious ongoings of pushing further land confiscations, illigal walls foward into PA land, settlers "illigal outposts" taking over more and more land belonging to the Palestinians. Then the Bulldozers destroying homes and crops again on PA land -
FOOD - all sort of much needed livelihood - also transport of crops denied - unbelivable inhuman situations - first was the word "resistance" of unheard outcries for help facing the systematic oppression and continious humilation, when it became more and more - the word Terrorists was created by the Zionists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=DE&hl=de&v=jB4uxardZ1k

The whole Middle East policy has been a disaster the way it started by the denegation "there are not such people as Palestinians", and the horrible terror acts and slaughter of Israel in different series from the beginn of their Politics of occupation - You know how many people live still in refugy camps and for how long by now ? - Thats the crucial point - they have no right of return - because any self-declared Jewish from the last corner of Russia gets a peace of their land !
This all seems was only possible because of the Holocaust - of which the original inhabitants had no part at all of course.
Now Israel´s pushing on that excuse a policy of Apartheid to a level the world can no longer ignore or tolerate.

The excuses and manipulations have exhausted the level of toleration since it became an excuse for War Crime and Genocide.
Now also many Jews in Israel and a growing number of Governemts around the world stated that this acts are inhuman and have to stop-
Btw-. Hamas allows investigation on their side - and would like to undersign a viable and much needed peace agreement - which Isreal will never accept of course, because it need´s an enemy for it´s own "Purpose of Existance" as a corrupted Military State funded by the US. Its all about Money, Power and more Land - thats their only aim.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=DE&hl=de&v=37MFa7ZKQWo&feature=related

And you realy think that will change even if there is no rocket fire by millitants -
You know - I think they might have just starved and the world would have not noticed..
highfidelity Europe, Bundesland Germany
RayfromUSA: Yes, Hamas started out as a btanch of the Muslim brotherhood which is a benevolent Islamic organization with chariy and educational projects all over the world.

It was registered in Israel as a charity organization.

At that time the PLO was entirely secular, and was gaining a lot of sympathy worldwide.

That was the epoch where world opinion was pushing for the establishment of a Palestinian State without Israeli occupation.

There was no ongoing warfare then. Although there were occasional violations of the ceasefire on both sides.

Under those circumstances Israel could not bomb Palestine or annex Palestinian territory without incurring strong opposition from the international community.

So Israel chose and gave it funds and set it up within Palestine and used paid agents to radicalize it. The intent was that Hamas become fanatically Islamic.

A few atrocities against Palestinians and assassinations of the more moderate Hamas leaders and their families made the process of radicalization easier.

As planned, Hamas began to organize attacks against Israeli outposts including some suicide bombers. This was exactly what Israel wanted.

The world opinion of the Palestinian struggle changed radically.

Initially it was viewed as an oppressed people fighting desperately in their own homeland against a foreign occupying army.

But with the rise of Hamas the conflict was viewed as one of fanatical religious extremists fighting against a modern (supposedly) secular state.

That new paridigm was highly publicized by the world press (controlled by you know who) and thereafter support for Palestinian rights was associated with support for fanatical Moslem extremism.

Even to this day Israel furnishes the very rockets that Hamas fires harmlessly back into Israeli settlements and other Israeli-held parts of Palestine.

Rank and file Hamas members probably really believe they are fighting Israel. But the leaders certainly know they are helping Israel.

So yes, Hamas works for Israel.


thumbs up If it was possible if they tried to take the way in make the world see their claims - same or similar as Mahatma Ghandi showed the world a lesson - no one noticed because to Israel´s force of "RIGHT TO POSSESS" -frustrated thats realy the saddest part. NO CHANCE AT ALL!
What is happening with all the world in crimes to humanity and Genocides - we continue signing papers after - big meetings - G8 -G20 now - discuss luxuriouse food and drinks - while people are killed - but in the end - we stand there watching with tears in the eyes crying THE NEW WORLD ORDER COLD WAR IS IN FULL GEAR !
rizlared Pisa, Tuscany Italy
highfidelity: Riz .. did you make Lilly happy again ?

Just kidding - really - This was an interesting post for a change, better as again your claims that Israel is a peaceful Nation, and Hamas are the Terrorists.
But this time - oh wonder - you where also stating that in the beginning Hamas was a benificial organization for the population in Gaza. That their original aim was creating a social network for the Palestinians, which is usually of no ones concern and normally denied to Palestinians.
But then as even you know, with the continious ongoings of pushing further land confiscations, illigal walls foward into PA land, settlers "illigal outposts" taking over more and more land belonging to the Palestinians. Then the Bulldozers destroying homes and crops again on PA land -
FOOD - all sort of much needed livelihood - also transport of crops denied - unbelivable inhuman situations - first was the word "resistance" of unheard outcries for help facing the systematic oppression and continious humilation, when it became more and more - the word Terrorists was created by the Zionists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=DE&hl=de&v=jB4uxardZ1k

The whole Middle East policy has been a disaster the way it started by the denegation "there are not such people as Palestinians", and the horrible terror acts and slaughter of Israel in different series from the beginn of their Politics of occupation - You know how many people live still in refugy camps and for how long by now ? - Thats the crucial point - they have no right of return - because any self-declared Jewish from the last corner of Russia gets a peace of their land !
This all seems was only possible because of the Holocaust - of which the original inhabitants had no part at all of course.
Now Israel´s pushing on that excuse a policy of Apartheid to a level the world can no longer ignore or tolerate.

The excuses and manipulations have exhausted the level of toleration since it became an excuse for War Crime and Genocide.
Now also many Jews in Israel and a growing number of Governemts around the world stated that this acts are inhuman and have to stop-
Btw-. Hamas allows investigation on their side - and would like to undersign a viable and much needed peace agreement - which Isreal will never accept of course, because it need´s an enemy for it´s own "Purpose of Existance" as a corrupted Military State funded by the US. Its all about Money, Power and more Land - thats their only aim.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=DE&hl=de&v=37MFa7ZKQWo&feature=related

And you realy think that will change even if there is no rocket fire by millitants -
You know - I think they might have just starved and the world would have not noticed..


The only reason they may yet stave is due to hamas, this terrorist organisation who time and again say they are fighting for "Their people" are total liars, why do I say that, because if they truly felt for their people, then they would help distribute the food and medicine given by the UN, but as has been shown and documented, hamas broke into the UN storage depot and stole a huge quantity of supplies. None of which has been given to the poor and needy. If the people of Palistine really want to live in peace, they need to rid them selves of hamas and install a realistic government, one who is actually willing to discuss a peace treaty.
You say that hamas have tried to offer a treaty that was turned down by Israel, where??? the recent treaty put forward was by Egypt Israel accepted the terms, hamas refused to even discuss it.

HF, I agree that the plight of the people in Palestine should be made world wide news, but by constantly finding erroneous propaganda and ancient quarrels to slur Israel is not being helpful to those people you care so much about. Far better to lobby world governments including Israel to ensure that supplies are sent and distributed safely to those in need.




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