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RayfromUSA vienne, Rhone-Alpes France
As I type this there is already a forum at CS entitled "Muslims against Hamas". And it documents the existence of a Muslim movement that disagrees with the policies of Hamas.

Of course such a movement does exist. Hamas is, after all, principally an Israeli creation.

This forum is entitled "Jews against Zionism" and its purpose is to document the existence of Jews around the world who disagree with Israel's zionist policies.

Keep watching to see which of these two forums gets pulled.
Then ask yourself why.

Jews worldwide protest Israel's policies

Prior to the establishment by zionists of the state called "Israel" in 1948, Jews had lived in peace in Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Libya, Egypt, Algeria, Morocco, and in nearly all Islamic countries for 2000 years.

It was Zionism, not Judaism or Islam, that created the current state of ethnic hatred in Palestine.

Worldwide, many Jews reject Zionism.
Especially among the more traditional Hassidic orders.

The following quote is from a Jewish Rabbi in New York.

"The Zionist ideology is antithetical to the Torah. Zionism was deviously designed to replace the Torah and its holy, God-given commandments with nationalistic, power-driven ideals that are devoid of holiness, godliness, or spirituality.

God-fearing Jews believe that the ultimate Redemption of the Jewish Nation will come about only through the Hands of God, and that at the time of the Redemption, peace will reign in the entire world. Any other type of forced "redemption" is but a sinful transgression, condemned by God and His Holy Torah.

What more proof does one need than the fact that for centuries, Jews have lived peacefully in Arabic countries, enjoying the respect and friendship of their neighbors? The tragedy of Zionism changed all of that. The painful truth is that in the eyes of the Zionist government, Jews are merely the cannon-fodder needed for the State of Israel to achieve its agenda.

Obviously, the State of Israel has absolutely no connection with either Jews or Judaism. Furthermore, Torah-true Jews did not participate in the founding of the State, and for decades, we have announced our disapproval and disassociation from the State of Israel at every opportunity.

The Zionists are neither our representatives nor our spokesmen. They have absolutely no right to speak in the name of world Jewry. It is a terrible mistake to confuse Jews with Zionism, or to blame Jews for Zionist actions. We truly wish to live in peace with every nation in the world. We pray for our Jewish brethren as well as for the non-Jews in the Middle East, that they may be saved from danger and peril.

And most of all, we await that great day when G-d's glory will be revealed in the entire world, and there will be peace for all of humanity. Amen."

from the site:
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/news/currentarticle.cfm?id=156

RayfromUSA vienne, Rhone-Alpes France
Around the world there are Jews who condemn Israel's policies.

Jews in Iran protest against Israeli atrocities
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZZhwHTUuS8

Jews in New York protest against Israeli atricities.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uEK7zaMEBg

Settlers beat up and taser antizionist rabbis who are peacefully protesting against the establishment of illegal settlements in occupied Palestine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBNMDjj5LKc

Jews in Israel say Zionism has caused all the violence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2mTgq-jw8M

Jews, Christians and Muslims Unite Against Israeli Violence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmJt33TmAKg

Jews in London protest against Israeli atrocities.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp4-Hvbxm4k



solitare Munchen, Bayern Germany
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The Challenge of Hamas to Fatah

by Jonathan Schanzer
Middle East Quarterly
Spring 2003
The history of Hamas-Fatah relations begins with the eruption of the first intifada on December 8, 1987. This grassroots uprising against Israel's presence in the West Bank and Gaza was initially led by a broad spectrum of Palestinian political factions. Yasir Arafat's Fatah organization—a guerrilla group active since 1964, based successively in Jordan, Lebanon, and Tunisia (after 1982)—quickly brought these factions under its control and created the Unified National Leadership of the Uprising (UNLU). This underground organization printed leaflets, or bayanat, which ordered strikes and demonstrations.

Within two months of the uprising, in January 1988, Fatah and the UNLU met their greatest challenge. Members of the Muslim Brethren created an umbrella organization called Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiyya (Movement of the Islamic Resistance), forming the Arabic acronym HAMAS (meaning "zeal" in Arabic). Its creation was the work of the younger cadres of the Muslim Brethren, who thus challenged the more pragmatic leadership of the movement. It was obligatory, they claimed, to wage jihad against Israel. Almost immediately, Hamas began to challenge Fatah, which the Islamist group saw as trying to "dominate control of the uprising." The first bayan bearing Hamas's name appeared on February 11, 1988. For the rest of the intifada, both organizations competed for the hearts and minds of West Bank and Gaza Palestinians by distributing leaflets and offering conflicting guidance about ideology, demonstrations, and civil strikes. In this way, both Fatah and Hamas sought to claim credit for inspiring and guiding the uprising.

Arafat, for his part, used the first intifada to advance his standing as an international leader of the Palestinian people. He did this in 1988 by accepting United Nations (U.N.) General Assembly resolution 181 during an emergency meeting of the Palestine National Council. The resolution, dating from November 1947, called for a partition of Palestine into two states, one Jewish and one Arab. Acceptance of the resolution amounted to a tacit recognition of Israel. Israel and the West saw this as an opening for peace talks and began working to that end immediately. Arafat responded by urging a peace conference based upon U.N. Security Council resolutions 242 and 338, each of which called for Israel to withdraw from territories conquered in 1967. Within two weeks, at least fifty-five states recognized Palestine's independence, thereby making the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO)—and by default, its prime component, Fatah—an instant, makeshift government.

Anyone can find this and continue reading regarding HAMAS
You keep making the claim that Hamas is an Israeli invention yet not once, as far as can find, you have not documented anywhere and have thus put many people off...can you/ will you verify the accuracy with specifics please???



solitare Munchen, Bayern Germany
Palestinian rivals: Fatah & Hamas
Two parties dominate Palestinian politics: Fatah which has been at the head of the Palestinian national movement since the 1950s, and the Islamist movement, Hamas, which won the parliamentary elections in January 2006.

FATAH

Fatah demonstration, with party flags and picture of Yasser Arafat
Full name: Reverse acronym of Harakat al-Tahrir al-Filistiniya (Palestinian Liberation Movement) meaning "conquest" in Arabic.
Origins and development: Founded by Yasser Arafat in the 1950s to promote the armed struggle to liberate all Palestine from Israeli control.

It developed into the largest Palestinian political faction and, after recognising Israel's right to exist, led efforts towards a two-state solution with Israel under the 1990s Oslo peace accords.


The party lost power in the 2006 parliamentary elections to Hamas, after Fatah officials came to be perceived as corrupt and incompetent. The shift in power heralded a period of violence on the streets of Gaza.

Attitude to Israel: PA President Mahmoud Abbas advocates restarting the peace process and is a strong critic of armed "resistance" and attacks on Israeli civilians. His goal is to establish a Palestinian state in the Israeli-occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip, with East Jerusalem as capital.

The Fatah-affiliated al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades has participated, along with Hamas, in an informal militant ceasefire since 2005, but conducts what it calls retaliatory attacks against Israel.

Current status: The 2006 election defeat put Fatah on the defensive and subsequent events raised fears it would try using its political influence and military power to maintain predominance. The PA's 70,000 police and security forces are mainly Fatah loyalists.


Palestinian Authority President and Fatah leader Mahmoud Abbas dismissed the Hamas-led government in June 2007 in the wake of some of the worst fighting that resulted in the Gaza Strip being seized by the Hamas armed forces in what the movement described as a "liberation".

A new emergency cabinet has been sworn in in the West Bank, led by Prime Minister Salam Fayyad.

HAMAS

Hamas banner

Full name: Acronym for Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiya (Islamic Resistance Movement) and means "zeal" in Arabic.

Origins and development: Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, committed to establishing an Islamic state in the whole of what it terms Palestine (post-1948 Israel, the West Bank and Gaza).

Since its formation 1987 it has pursued a dual function: social welfare and what it calls armed resistance. This earned respect and gratitude among Palestinians suffering under Israeli occupation, but a string of suicide bombings against Israeli civilians meant it was designated a terrorist organisation by Israel, the US and the European Union.

Its 2006 landslide win thrust on Hamas the responsibility of power and international scrutiny for the first time, but the government was not recognised by Israel or the main international mediators.

Attitude to Israel: Hamas's charter uncompromisingly seeks Israel's destruction. However, Hamas's Ismail Haniya, the prime minister of the unity government until it was dissolved in June 2007, has spoken of a long-term truce with Israel if Israel withdraws from territory occupied in 1967.

The Hamas armed wing, the Izzedine al-Qassam brigades, has participated in an informal ceasefire since 2005, but claims the right to retaliate against what it calls Israeli attacks.

Current status: Designated a terrorist group by PA donors, outside funds to the Hamas-led Palestinian Authority dried up. Banks refused to handle emergency donations fearing US penalties.
BBC WORLD SERVICE NEWS

What are the origins of HAMAS...??? Please verify that it is an Israeli invention...with specifics, please, even some very indignant members in Tripoli would like to know...
Thrak Zwolle, Overijssel Netherlands
Prejudice is a sad reality of life, and generally overcome by better education of which you’re trying. But in many respects one way to isolate Zionism, is through the use of American Policy.

Just stop allowing dual citizenship to intellectual Zionists holding office of power in US Government. No other group of people is allowed dual citizenship apart from these chosen few. But as always a voice from the shadows will cry Anti-Semitism, which is quite odd since Palestinians are also Semites (I believe.
Conrad73 Lonesome Town Zurich, Zrich Switzerland
Thrak: Prejudice is a sad reality of life, and generally overcome by better education of which you’re trying. But in many respects one way to isolate Zionism, is through the use of American Policy.

Just stop allowing dual citizenship to intellectual Zionists holding office of power in US Government. No other group of people is allowed dual citizenship apart from these chosen few. But as always a voice from the shadows will cry Anti-Semitism, which is quite odd since Palestinians are also Semites (I believe.
Research it first.
I have an American Friend holding American AND Swiss Citizenship,also holding a US and Swiss Passport!

http://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/dual_citizenship.html

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html


conversing wave
Ambrose2007 Badger, South Dakota USA
Thrak: Prejudice is a sad reality of life, and generally overcome by better education of which you’re trying. But in many respects one way to isolate Zionism, is through the use of American Policy.

Just stop allowing dual citizenship to intellectual Zionists holding office of power in US Government. No other group of people is allowed dual citizenship apart from these chosen few. But as always a voice from the shadows will cry Anti-Semitism, which is quite odd since Palestinians are also Semites (I believe.


Many things in life amaze and puzzle me, and one of those is the presence of - in essence - Israeli citizens in high positions of power within the United States Government.

Would we tolerate the presence of citizens from any other country creating and implementing USG policies?? Why the pass for Isreal? Or are most people unaware of how many "dual"-citizen Isrealis occupy positions of extreme influence/power within the USG?confused confused dunno dunno



solitare Munchen, Bayern Germany
Many things in life amaze and puzzle me, and one of those is the presence of - in essence - Israeli citizens in high positions of power within the United States Government.

Would we tolerate the presence of citizens from any other country creating and implementing USG policies?? Why the pass for Israel? Or are most people unaware of how many "dual"-citizen Israelis occupy positions of extreme influence/power within the USG


Unfortunately, this has its roots back to before WW1 with Presidential 'advisers' being appointed by the President; the likes such as 'Col.' House, Bernard Baruch (look those 2 up!) That policy continued to snowball until the deals between the new State of Israel with the US granting most any Israeli citizen with dual citizenship and allowing them to hold any and all positions in the US. Govt. I have always wondered when is one going to run for US President; they don't even have to be born in the US. They are exempted, it seems.(Henry Kissinger, himself appointed also had the power to appoint other 'Presidential advisers'...it just continues...and all owe their sworn allegiance to Israel... what is the old saying about one can't serve 2 masters...
Drewski Cremona, Alberta Canada
Ray
In response to: Of course such a movement does exist. Hamas is after all, principally an Israeli creation.


Principally it is not. It is an Arab creation that was not stopped by Israel for reasons that made perfect sense at the time.

Ray(quoting article)
In response to: Prior to the establishment by zionists of the state called "Israel" in 1948, Jews had lived in peace in Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Libya, Egypt, Algeria, Morocco, and in nearly all Islamic countries for 2000 years.


In peace? Sure, if being treated like an animal, forced to convert, being massacred, and having your women raped is being at peace then sure. Some history;

In response to: Granada massacre, Jewish populations were confined to segregated quarters. Exiled from Morocco at one point and in Islamic Spain, were faced with the choice of either death or conversion. 1400, the Jews in Aleppo Syria were herded into their synagogues and slaughtered to the last man and the young women raped, in 1465, Arabs slaughtered thousands of Jews, in 1492, in Timbuktu it was decreed that Jews must convert to Islam or leave and in Mali and Spain Judaism became illegal.

1656, all Jews expelled from Isfahan and forced to convert to Islam. Bukharan Jews were denied basic rights and forced to convert to Islam having to then wear black and yellow dress to distinguish themselves from the Muslims. Yemenite Jews were considered to be impure, and therefore forbidden to touch a Muslim or a Muslim's food. Humble themselves before a Muslim, to walk to the left side, and greet him first. They could not ride a camel or horse, and when entering the Muslim quarter had to take off his foot-gear and walk barefoot. If attacked with stones or fists they were not allowed to defend themselves. There was a massacre of Jews in Baghdad and another in Barfurush in 1867. In 1839, the Jews of Mashhad, Iran, were coerced into converting to Islam

1860s, the Jews of Libya were subjected to punitive taxation. In 1864, around 500 Jews were killed in Marrakech and Fez in Morocco. In 1869, 18 Jews were killed in Tunis, and an Arab mob looted Jewish homes and stores, and burned synagogues, on Jerba Island. In 1875, 20 Jews were killed by a mob in Demnat, Morocco; elsewhere in Morocco, Jews were attacked and killed in the streets in broad daylight. In 1897, synagogues were ransacked and Jews were murdered in Tripolitania.


Doesn't seem like it was a very good peace and, things weren't that Great in Europe either what with the following from Wilki explaining;

In response to: During the High Middle Ages in Europe there was full-scale persecution in many places, with blood libels, expulsions, forced conversions and massacres. Jews were frequently massacred and exiled from various European countries. In the First Crusade (1096) flourishing communities on the Rhine and the Danube were utterly destroyed; see German Crusade, 1096. In the Second Crusade (1147) the Jews in France were subject to frequent massacres. The Jews were also subjected to attacks by the Shepherds' Crusades of 1251 and 1320. The Crusades were followed by expulsions, including in, 1290, the banishing of all English Jews; in 1396, 100,000 Jews were expelled from France; and, in 1421 thousands were expelled from Austria. Many of the expelled Jews fled to Poland.

As the Black Death epidemics Jews were taken as scapegoats. Rumors spread that they caused the disease by deliberately poisoning wells. Hundreds of Jewish communities were destroyed by violence. Although the Pope Clement VI tried to protect them by the July 6, 1348 papal bull and another 1348 bull, several months later, 900 Jews were burnt alive in Strasbourg, where the plague hadn't yet affected the city.


The point of all this Ray, is that if the author of the piece you quoted can overlook such obvious occurrences as I found so easily, then the rest of his article cannot be depended on for any sense of accuracy.
ocean78382 Rockport- Corpus Christi area, Texas USA
There are always people who will disagree with government policy.

I guarantee there are not near as many jews who protest this policy as there are Americans who protest Bush's war in Iraq.

Obama has it right - if someone shot rockets into my house - I'd do whatever I could to stop them.

Hamas is responsible for civilian deaths because they are cowards that hide under the civilians skirts - when they should come out and fight! ( so there can be more martyrs!)



rocketqueen geelong, Victoria Australia
ocean78382: There are always people who will disagree with government policy.

I guarantee there are not near as many jews who protest this policy as there are Americans who protest Bush's war in Iraq.

Obama has it right - if someone shot rockets into my house - I'd do whatever I could to stop them.

Hamas is responsible for civilian deaths because they are cowards that hide under the civilians skirts - when they should come out and fight! ( so there can be more martyrs!)




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Antjo39 Pucara, Puno Peru
Drewski: Ray

Principally it is not. It is an Arab creation that was not stopped by Israel for reasons that made perfect sense at the time.

Ray(quoting article)

In peace? Sure, if being treated like an animal, forced to convert, being massacred, and having your women raped is being at peace then sure. Some history;
Doesn't seem like it was a very good peace and, things weren't that Great in Europe either what with the following from Wilki explaining;



The point of all this Ray, is that if the author of the piece you quoted can overlook such obvious occurrences as I found so easily, then the rest of his article cannot be depended on for any sense of accuracy.

WEll, I will try not to be long this time because this is getting repetitious and certainly when people want to defend anything with "wax" logic, they can always do it.

A priest I used to know was my "most favorite philosopher": he used to say "with a good combination of words you can prove anything"
Certainly he meant the kind of proof the Catholic Church has always made.
Anyway, this one, as a previous disgression.

"Principally it is not. It is an Arab creation that was not stopped by Israel for reasons that made perfect sense at the time"

Ok, let´s see this cheap rethorics.
First of all Israel or the Mosad can not "stop" anything at will, if it was so easy they would not have developed that level of sophistication and constant preparation. So the correct word is "They would have tried to stop it"
So Israel just watched and said: "Uhmmmm,let´s see if this thing is better than the PLO" Well, you are absolutely wrong as at those days Hamas was turning up, Israel, its intelligentsia and spying services knew perfectly what would be the meaning (in terms of lives lost in their own country) of fighting a fundamentalis group. Therefore, knowing this perspective why did they "let" them grow? Well, let´s use now your last statement "for reasons that made perfect sense at the time" So Israel calculated that having casualties by mad terrorists within their own population would be a good price to pay as long as Fatah gets weakened by Hamas? (the old tactic of divide and win) So if we finish the argument at this point and we have to conclude that Israel knew that Hamas would attack with terrorist methods but they preferred that to having Fatah growing stronger (the usual thing of the Zionism: using their own population as cannon-fodder).
However it was more, do you know about the creation of the University of Gaza for example? the spread of fundamentalism in there and the well-known role Israel took to make it grow(the same University now they are pounding with bombs) Well, get into any website about Gaza UNiversity and find out. This is just an example amongst many more where Israel promoted Hamas directly and indirectly. Your "reasons that made perfect sense at the time" is then , from whatever perspective we see, just pragmatism which in Politics is usually to put the goals first to the means used. I am sorry but that is the most common way politicians of old kinds have used to commit atrocities. You think, the admission of pragmatism is just a mere fact but this is exactly the most important aspect of Zionism: they act following results, results that secure their power. Nothing else counts.
And is it an Arab creation? Of course it is too (think of the Islamic Brotherhood that was there long ago) but it would have not grown as rapidly as it did if Israel had not propelled it the way they did (apart the descomposition Fatah suffered for avrious reasons, amongst them corruption. Well, they are Politicans after all)
To be continued
Antjo39 Pucara, Puno Peru
Continuation

So we have to conclude that Israel was stupid and made a big mistake by creating Hamas? did they play Dr. Frankenstein in the most naive way?
Well, everybody must know they did not. Their strategy planners are people with so much knowledge and craftiness that they would not have only thought of the short term effects of Hamas. As Ray had said before Israel acted according to a strategy to turn the Palestinian struggle into an extremist total war not only against Israel but against the whole west (similar actions made by the CIA in other fronts as it is also well-known) I am not saying that the Mosad or the CIA invented the terrorist options of fighting in the Muslim world but certainly they fed them to the point (either by intelligence strategy and by its own slaughter policies) where the Muslim extremism would justify any action like this one you and others here applaud. You can see the whole thing is very functional and pragmatic. Israel has the opportunity (same way the States has had after the attacks to the twin towers) to hit the Palestinians almost at will, as they can always promote through their intelligence tentacles any stupid action inside Hamas (for example launching thse shitty rockets) that will only provoke more havoc in the Palestinian population.
By saying this, it has to be taken inot account the nature of the leadership of Hamas which is completely radicalised and just acting under the principle of retaliation and blind violence. Exactly what Israel needs.
So the Zionism would sacrifice the population for that aim? well, people will judge. Just as a very important source of judgement I will invite you and anybody to review the history of Zionism during the Holocaust. I won´t go into details but in that huge example is written what the Zionism really did during those years: it never cared about the massacre of Jews in Europe as long as it was instrumental for them to bring Jews into Israel just to create the State controlled by them. There are many many documents that prove this, it does not matter what the Zionist came up with as excuse, silence and lies later on.

As for your historical quotes, I could produce many others that documents different situations where the Jews as minority were ill-treated and massacred by Muslims populations or rulers (and there were many kinds of Muslim tendencies in those countries), but I can also bring up many examples where they lived together and even the Jews prospered as much as the Arabs (in Spain for example, and that prohibiton of Judaism in Spain was not a work of Muslims but of the Catholic kings, so you have to correct that) So what do I mean? I mean that all this proves that THERE WAS NOT SUCH A GENERALISED OPEN HATRED BETWEEN THE TWO RELIGIONS OR THE TWO WORLDS, not until 1948 when the Zionist took Palestine with the clear idea of displacing the Arabs (based in the power they had because of the International Zionism and the use they made of the Holocaust) This is the point and there is nothing you can say to prove the opposite. If you can, then you would have to explain why all the Jews in Palestine were not eliminated by the Otoman empire during almost 600 years of ruling over that land.
Antjo39 Pucara, Puno Peru
Continuation

You have also brought up examples of the persecution of Jews in Europe. I understand that your wikipedia-education in history makes your mind messed up so I will help you a bit. That example corresponds to one of the main point widely forgotten by people that think that the Nazis invented anti-semitism or any other stupid Hollywood version of history, that is: IF THE JEWS AS RELIGION HAD A REAL ENEMY THROUGH THE LAST 2000 YEARS SINCE SOME OF THEIR ANCESTORS LEFT PALESTINE AND SPREAD THEIR RELIGION, THAT ENEMY WAS CATHOLIC EUROPE, A HATRED PROMOTED BY THE VATICAN CHURCH AND WHOSE LAST STAGE WAS THE MASSACRE OF JEWS DURING HITLER TIMES. This is one point of tremendous importance and would disclose lots of other things that happened then in 1948, but I won´t talk about that because this is getting too long.
Drewski Cremona, Alberta Canada
Antjo
In response to: So we have to conclude that Israel was stupid and made a big mistake by creating Hamas?


Israel did not create Hamas. It was born of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Antjo
In response to: I can also bring up many examples where they lived together and even the Jews prospered as much as the Arabs (in Spain for example,


Well then Antjo, you come up with a list of famous and prosperous Jews from the tenth to fourteenth century and I'll come up with a list of events where Jews were persecuted. Bet my list will be a lot longer than yours.

There is a reason why they were always second class citizens and persecuted. They were non believers, infidels and, Mohamed said "Let there not be two religions in Arabia". And, as we all know, Muslims do like to follow his words rather vividly.

Antjo
In response to: and that prohibiton of Judaism in Spain was not a work of Muslims but of the Catholic kings, so you have to correct that)


Better look up the massacres in Granada and Corduba Antjo.

Antjo
In response to: So what do I mean? I mean that all this proves that THERE WAS NOT SUCH A GENERALISED OPEN HATRED BETWEEN THE TWO RELIGIONS OR THE TWO WORLDS,


You are actually gong to have this forum believe that during the rein of the Caliphates that Judaism was viewed as equal to the words of Mohamed and that widespread equality was in place for believers in another faith?

Wow.



arranroot Athlone, Westmeath Ireland
Drewski: Antjo

Israel did not create Hamas. It was born of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Antjo

Well then Antjo, you come up with a list of famous and prosperous Jews from the tenth to fourteenth century and I'll come up with a list of events where Jews were persecuted. Bet my list will be a lot longer than yours.

There is a reason why they were always second class citizens and persecuted. They were non believers, infidels and, Mohamed said "Let there not be two religions in Arabia". And, as we all know, Muslims do like to follow his words rather vividly.

Antjo

Better look up the massacres in Granada and Corduba Antjo.

Antjo

You are actually gong to have this forum believe that during the rein of the Caliphates that Judaism was viewed as equal to the words of Mohamed and that widespread equality was in place for believers in another faith?

Wow.


And the world IS flat.



TroyBoy Sunderland, Maryland USA
Conrad....I have similar friends who absolutely refuse to give us their Swiss passport, for exactly the reasons suggested.....never been there, but heard its heavenly.....generally speaking, are positions of 'neutrality' embraced or do people have definitive opinions ---- one way or the other, OR is it merely, as long as they dont come here, its OK (not exactly "indifference", but just...."que sera, sera").....just curious about a realistic point of view.....

T



nora83 Amman Jordan
RayfromUSA: Around the world there are Jews who condemn Israel's policies.

Jews in Iran protest against Israeli atrocities
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZZhwHTUuS8

Jews in New York protest against Israeli atricities.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uEK7zaMEBg

Settlers beat up and taser antizionist rabbis who are peacefully protesting against the establishment of illegal settlements in occupied Palestine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBNMDjj5LKc

Jews in Israel say Zionism has caused all the violence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2mTgq-jw8M

Jews, Christians and Muslims Unite Against Israeli Violence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmJt33TmAKg

Jews in London protest against Israeli atrocities.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp4-Hvbxm4k



thanks for posting ,, that shows alot actually



nora83 Amman Jordan
conrad73

you wrote me this in one of the past BLOCKED threads ( the underlined in red below )

Steevyv: I am not important. Nora is. Nora lives there, things are happening on her eyes, under her windows.
She can see columns of smoke and hear echo of bombing. She can feel the smell of blood and burned human meat. She can hear man, woman and children screaming for help and cry of fathers and mothers over their dead children bodies.
Nora is important. She is there. Some guys here that are so far, far from the crime scene are not. It is well known that cowards radicalism grows with the the distance to square. They just wont to be the center of attention.
So don't pay your attention to what they write.
Because, Nora is important. People who suffer are important. Human lives and destinies are important.
I started this "chapter two" only to show that Nora is not the only one who cares because houses are burning close to her, people are killed close to her, and so on. I wanted to declare that we, who are not living there care also.
And that is all. ( thank you Mr. Steevyv )

Steevyv,with all due respect,Amman is about a 100 miles from the Gaza Strip.



seems that you are not reading enough lately sir , we all know that the Geographical target of the zionism is not only Palestine . but all the Arab World , one day it will be my turn , to be one of their victims , and one day it might be you Sir , who knows , what goes around come around , i really ask you to stop blindly supporting the zionism , because they love no one but Zionists ( Unless you are already one of them ) , and with their being that gready , they want the whole world under their control !
Thrak Zwolle, Overijssel Netherlands
Yesssssssss the blog still lives, it was after reading this that I passed the link around. Also, good links to strong material, and may this remain here. Keep up the good work RayfromUSA. 3 cheers for freedom of speech.




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