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BULL-MALARKY!Jordan annected the Westbank in '48,and had no intention to give it back to be used as Homeland for the Palestinians under the UN-Agreement!
Israel gave most of it back,after they took it in'67.
Israel gave back every scrap of the Sinai to Egypt under their Peace Agreement,so hold your Horses,Lady!

Palestinians Have the right to return to their lands. It is not for Israel or anyone else to take this right from them.
Israel was and still an occupation. Read the history and you will learn that all occupations no matter how long they last will be kicked out of the lands eventually. Israel maybe had the chance to stay but it blew it.
If we hear the speeches of the Arab leaders in their last meeting, they are saying enough is enough to Israel. Arabs are stopping their peace negotiations with Israel, where this will lead us? More wars and destructions!! Hope you, Zionists, guys are happy.
Israel could have reached peace with many of its neighbors many times, had Israel chosen to accept UN resolutions for the year 1967 and those came after.
With resolution No.1860 about Gaza, Israel did not accept ceasefire showing the world (and Israeli leaders actually said it) that Israel simply does not recognize any authority but its own. It also reminds the international community of Israel hidden agenda of this war. For sure it was not for fighting Hamas.
Has Israel chosen to apply resolution 1860, then lives of more children could been saved from the Israeli destructive machine. Israel is talking about a ceasefire from one side now, with nothing has changed between last week and this week for a ceasefire except:
More Palestinians were killed, which many argue that it is the main cause behind Israel war on Gaza. This definitely shows what Zionists are made of.
As for the agreement with the US, which even if it is applied will lead to more conflicts in the area not to peace
When Israel gets wise enough it will realize that it is not by agreements with far away countries or their support can Israel co-live with its neighbors but by reaching out to its neighbors. When this takes place then we can reach a peace, which people like me care about the most.

Exactly and you know what! Arabs and the world are taking this power back. The world is fed up with Israel excessive use of power. As I said in my other posts, I see Israel as a typical medical case of abused group (by Nazis) turn to abuses others (Palestinians).. What has been going on since 1948 is a genocide of Palestinians by Israel but it came to a point that no one tolerates it anymore as Protests around the world show. As Nazis were stopped, so is Zionists need to be stopped

Exactly!

Please, check your history,to compare Nazis and Zionists is factually insane. How many counties have the Zionists invaded, or attempted to become a perfect race? and the Nazis? well so much for that comparison. Your inference is well below the belt even by CS standards and of huge offence.

No, it is not. It is what the world protests is calling Israel. Have not seen the news about these protests? Genocide is genocide and there is no question about what Israel is doing in Palestine of Palestinians genocide.
As for when a Zionist does not like a post/member/thread and tries to block it then read my post above about this cowardly approach. It seems that it is the only way that Zionists on this website can silence voices but for how long can you guys silence the voice of the whole world?

You have killed more of your own,than Israel,in Self -Defense,will be able to kill in a 100 years!
Ask Jordan,Syria and Lebanon!
You're so consumed with hatred you see Zionists everywhere.
Anyone not agreeing with your take of History,is in your eyes a Zionist!
And the Rules of the Site states,if you do not like the way it is run ,it's a Free Site,and you're Free to leave!
It's you and your Compadres that started the Propaganda here,NOT the "Zionists!

Interesting that you still send me.
Maybe you need to re-read my post. It is a free site and that is why I am saying to those who block threads/members because they do not like what it says about Zionists you guys cannot silence the voice of the world.
You like to attack the person not their opinions and that is not a way to debate ..as I told you before ..when you can argue well, we may communicate better.
Hatred is written on Israel map and behavior and all those who agree with the killing of children in Gaza. If you are one of them and find a justification for what is going on so you know that Hate is in your heart not mine.
I disagree and disagreed with killing children being Jews, Christians or Muslims, Hindu ..you name it.
It is the same old song played again and again. Anyone who opposes Israel merciless doing is full of hate. Now this ironic, so what is going of massacres to Palestinian are because of Love? Israel is presenting itself as a state of violence and hate. If you want to blame someone blame them.

You have disqualified yourself on this Topic long ago!
Told you once before,if you're in someone's House,it is that Landlord that sets the Rules of "Free Speech" in the House,and so do the Owners of this Site.
Like I said,it was you and your Compatriots starting these Propaganda-Threads!Then playing the injured party when getting called on your Statements.It's Propaganda what you started,not discussion,that's why so many of those Threads bit the Dust!
End of Story.

Um excuse me, when did I report you or this thread?

It seems to me that by your own actions you have shown that YOU have twisted facts to suit your own opinions, I showed no support in either direction, read the post and try to open your mind to the fact that not everyone is a Palestinian hater or a Zionist hater, the fact remains that your comments were offence beyond belief, At no time in history have the Jewish people persecuted, gypsies, gays, people with blemishes or physical disfigurement,etc etc etc. While I hate the idea of any country being at war with another maybe if those with such twisted views as yours were to be removed by whatever means from BOTH sides, the rest of the world could live in peace.

It is the tiny minority of fanatical religious morons that have caused so much of this unrest, the vast majority are more than happy to live in harmony. Shame you can't spread that about instead of hate and malice.

Haaretz newspaper, Israel news can be read online and it shows itself as an quite interesting "insighted critic" with plenty of articles worth reading. Here one example I thought very much worth reading since I´m personally always interested in detecting the twisting and invention of new words and turnings that are used by the press..

War by any other name
By Gideon Levy


Words, it is true, do not kill; but words can ease the work of killing. From the dawn of the Israeli occupation in the territories - by now an ancient dawn - or perhaps from the very establishment of the state, or maybe even from the revival of Hebrew, the language has been mobilized in active reserve service. There has been a permanent emergency call-up and Hebrew has never doffed its uniform. War after war, doublespeak after doublespeak, words are on the front line. They don't shed blood, but somehow they make the sight of it easier to take, sometimes even pleasurably so. They justify, validate, purify, polish and clean; often they also whip up, incite, inflame, push, urge and encourage - all in standard usage. Dry cleaning, express, removes every stain instantaneously, our word-laundering is guaranteed.

We were hurled into this war armed with lines written by our national poet for the Hanukkah holiday, the holiday of the onset of this war: "Cast Lead," from a poem by Bialik. From now on, when kindergarten children sing "My father lit me candles, and acted as my torch," people will remember this war, which some commentators are already calling "the most just in Israel?s history," no less. But as for "war," the authoritative Even-Shoshan dictionary defines it as "an armed clash between armies, a conflict between state bodies (nations, states) in battle operations with the use of weapons and by force of arms." The Litani Operation (Lebanon, March 1978), a large-scale action which lasted three full months, never gained the national honor of being considered a war. Even the "Second Lebanon War" was not given that official name until half a year after it ended. This time we were quicker and more determined. The forces had not yet raided at dawn, the planes had not yet finished bombing the graduation ceremony of the traffic police - leaving behind dozens of bleeding young bodies; and we were already calling it a war. For the time being it is a nameless war; yes, afterward the ministerial committee for ceremonies and symbols will convene and give it an appropriate name. The First Gaza War? Surely not the last.

True, the dictionary raises doubts. This is certainly not "an armed clash between armies." After all, which army is fighting us, exactly? The army of Qassams and tunnels? It's even hard to call it "a conflict between nations and states in battle operations," because the battles are not actually battles and one of the sides is not exactly a state, barely half a nation, it has to be admitted. Still, war. What difference does it make if a senior officer in a reserve unit was quoted this week in Haaretz as saying, "It was a superb call-up and training exercise"? For us it?s a war. For months we longed for it, oh how we longed for the "big operation" in Gaza. No one talked about "war" then, but look, a war was born. Mazel tov.
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There is nothing chance about this war. We went to "war" because that single, highly charged word serves infinite goals, all of them as just and as justified as the war itself. Say war, and you say heroism and sacrifice. Add some grit, mobilization and of course the inevitable bereavement, and it's ready: war's verbal arsenal.

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"Heroism and bereavement" was the headline the militant freebie Israel Today used in one of its combat editions. In war as in war, there is also "victory." Let the IDF win this war. Win over whom? How to win? Just win. But the goals of the war change quicker than a chameleon changes color - one day it's to stop the firing of the Qassams, and when that doesn?t work, you switch goals. Now we have moved to a war against smuggling and tunnels. Maybe also a war of pressure on Egypt. And of course a war against Hamas, most of which is aimed at and strikes - just our bad luck; the helpless civilian population whose only connection to Hamas, if at all, was in the voting booth.

In war it is also necessary to upgrade the enemy's strength. First we are fed information for months on end about the Hamas arms buildup and its military sophistication, including bunkers and missiles from Tehran and Damascus, and now Ahmed Jaabari is being called "the Hamas chief of staff." Lieutenant General Jaabari, chief of the General Staff of the army of the semi-hollow Qassams. And why did we bomb Islamic University in Gaza City? Because that is where the Palestinians' version of the Rafael arms development authority was based, the Israeli press reported. That?s where they develop drones that carry ammunition and bunker-busting missiles, not only lathes for machine-tooling. We built up their strength and so heightened our victory and sweetened its taste.

In war as in war, silence is permitted: keep silent yourself and silence others. It?s not just permitted, it's obligatory. Here is another good reason to call this a war. War makes it possible to mobilize, call to the flag and unite the ranks of the people, which most of the time are more interested in the seacoast of Antalya than in any West Bank outpost. Only in war are we permitted to have media that sound more like the briefing room of the IDF Spokesman. In war, propaganda is all right. Using the word 'war' also validates war crimes, which might be prohibited in just a plain operation. If it's war, then let's go all the way: white phosphorus shells in the streets and artillery against population shelters; hundreds of women and children killed; strikes against rescue units and supply services. Hey, this is war, right?

War also gives rise to poetry of its heroism. True, we will never again have songs like we had after the Six-Day War. Arik Lavie will no longer sing the lyrics of Yoram Taharlev: "We are past Rafiah, like you wanted, Tal, against the enemy we charged, and those who fell, fell. We passed by the fallen, we ran forward, Tal." (Major General Israel Tal commanded the division that captured Gaza in 1967.) It's true that we will never again sing "Nasser is waiting for Rabin, ay, ay, ay," or "Sharm al-Sheikh, we have come back to you again." But songs there will be, for sure. We have already had one rhymester wit in this war: "Hamas in Damascus is disconnected, the leadership in Gaza is dejected, the military wing is defecting, Hamas is screaming as expected." Cute, eh? (Lyrics as recited by the cabinet secretary, Oved Yehezkel, in a press briefing on Sunday about the briefing to the cabinet by the director of Military Intelligence.) Whoever the wag is, we already have our first war song, as boastful as "Nasser is waiting for Rabin."

The swaggering lyrics go hand in hand with doublespeak. "The houses have to be distanced from the border," a learned military analyst explained incisively last week, referring to what needs to be done in Rafah along the "Philadelphi" route. "To distance the houses from the border," as though these were homes marked for conservation in the old Sarona neighborhood of Tel Aviv, on which the Kirya - the defense establishment compound - now stands. Why, you just slide them onto tracks and move them a few meters down the road. Has the learned analyst seen the Rafah homes opposite Philadelphi in recent years?

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Most of them have long since been reduced to rubble. People lived in them, a great many people, who have nowhere, but nowhere, to go. Now there are hundreds more destroyed homes, which we have "distanced from the border," so to speak.

We "liberated" the territories, "preempted" the terrorists and "preserved order," the order of the occupation; consolidated the occupation with a "civil administration," being careful not to cause a "humanitarian disaster," jailed people in ?administrative detention," killed with "neighbor procedure," murdered with "rules of engagement" and liquidated "senior figures in Hamas"; children "died from their wounds," adults were killed with "rubber bullets," a 6-year-old child who is killed is a "youth," a 12-year-old youth who is killed is a "young man" and both are "terrorists"; we established a "crossings unit" which is a network of roadblocks, and a "coordination and liaison directorate" which hardly coordinates or liaises between anything; we killed "gunmen" and "wanted individuals" and people "required for questioning," all of them "ticking bombs."

Now we have a "humanitarian corridor" and an equally "humanitarian" cease-fire. The "bank of goals" is also a friend." People "in shock" exist only in Israel, no one has gone into shock in Gaza. "Children of the south" live only in Sderot. Hamas fighters are "terrorists" and "Hamas activists," too, are not entitled to the honorific title of "noncombatants," so their fate is the same. Every postman of the Palestinian postal service, every policeman, every government accountant and maybe also every doctor working in Hamas' non-civil administration is considered an activist of the organization and therefore is to be killed before he kills us.

Our air force bombs and levels "targets," sometimes also "structures," never houses. Israel demands a "security zone" in Gaza, and security is always ours, only ours. Only my colleague at Haaretz, Amira Hass, dares, with characteristic courage, to call the tens of thousands of new homeless people in Gaza, made homeless by us, refugees for the second and third time in their lives; dares to call them "displaced persons." A term that is so heavily charged and fraught with history. But these DPs have nowhere to escape the horrors of the "war.

That is .......

Epilogue:

In less than a month Israel killed something like 1500 Palestinians, including hundreds of women and children.

During that same time, Palestinians killed about 15 Israelis.
Of which 10 were soldiers.

It was not a war.
It was a massacre.

It cannot be justified by any sort of rationalization.

Those who try to do so expose themselves for their lack of objectivity.

Should have stomped Hamas into the ground,instead only stomping a Mudhole into them!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Like I said,
Those who try to do so (justify Israel's massacre of Palestinians) expose themselves for their lack of objectivity.

And humanity, I might add.

After three weeks of this slaughter the U.N have come in to save the day.

I'd like to see your reaction to this video Conrad.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c57_1189514099

You ought to know better than trying that Propaganda stunt on me!