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Marriage is given to us by MANKIND...it's societal law that governs this. Another point we disagree on...and these are the reasons I'm not a Christian. I fundamentally disagree with the major tenants of that faith.

Tater...please show me in your Bible, where God instituted the rite of marriage. Adam and Eve were not married!!

You may find a story of Christ attending a wedding feast, but no where did God institute a rite of marriage.

You're a great guy...but we certainly disagree on this God stuff ruling the lives of non believers

I know you will argue with this, but this Country is found on GOD, HE is part of every institution in our society... Every oath we take to our Country.... Therefore yes This Country should allow others to practice whatever they choose, but what they choose shouldn't be how the Country sets itself...


NO different then speaking Engish


English is the Language of America, lets say you are From Mexico... you can choose not to learn it, but it does mean that America has to change what our Country was founded on to appease you...

Agreed, Pretzie. It's also why I object to the swearing on a bible in a court of law. Separation of church and state should be full separation.

Christians are not the only ones who believe in God, Tater...and this country was also founded on religious freedom.

...your missing the point. It wouldn't matter what time period we're in, the bible was written in such a manner that the core values and principles will always be useful..

...alot of traditions we hold nowadays were implemented because of the bible.

I am not saying I believe it is a sin. I am saying that Christianity in general teaches that it is a sin.

They point to scripture in Romans that talks about "Men leaving the natural uses for women, and burning in themselves lustful desires for each other. Therefore God gave them over to their lustful desires."

It also talks about people with unnatural affections not inheriting heaven.

I was brought up in a religious home and probably would be religious myself if I didn't see so many hypocrites. I deeply respect those who have lived their faith consistently like my dad, and a handful of others.

I am missing the point by intent, perhaps.

I have yet to find where the marriage is written as a holy bond NOT allowed between man and man or woman and woman.

It is as you say interpretation, and as such, the different threads within the religion that uses the bible have decided differently all since the book was first printed.

I made a vote once about who had a bible, and there seems to be one ruling version among all. Is it there described how a Christian marriage should be made and between who it can be done?

Apart from the subject, way to go guys in keeping this thread in a civil manner, I like it!

Again, you are using the Bible to control the lives of everybody.


Let me put this on a level that maybe as a black man you can understand.

People in this country used the Bible to subjugate blacks in America for Years and years. And still use the Bible to support their aversion to races inter marrying.
If the Bible is used as the groundwork for telling us how to live, we are no different than those who control their people by the strict rules of the Koran.

The Bible should not be involved in the legal system of a FREE society

I do agree, there are alot of people that hide behind a religion and many pastors and preacher are Hypocrites... Or use their stature to use others (mostly for money) I like 3 preachers and they are Charles Stanley, Michael Youseff, and Billy Graham...

I have accepted the fact that he wants to work this out from a Christians perspective, respecting the fact that he is right that the western world today have much of its culture built on Christian values.

As such, it makes an interesting question.

Yes...but it was founded not on religious beliefs...but rather it was founded by people who were escaping religious persecution.

America was founded on freedom FROM religion, not freedom OF religion.

Now there are those who would persecute those who wish to be free from laws of religion

But even away from the bible. I am tollerent and frankly have a great deal of simpathy for gays, Wheather they want my simpathy or not, and I feel it is between them and their families and God. But one of the reason that the laws of marriage exist is because the world use to be working fathers and stay at home Mothers, so women who wernt getting paid for their labors had to be included under their husbands insurance and sosial security etc. Woman needed to be home to take care of children. I hear all the time about gay patners being intitled to marriage and all the benifits that go with it? Their union is not capable of giving birth (in any traditional sense of the word) No one needs to be home with children. Marriage is the union of a man and a women because that is where children come from....

exactly, they were being persecuted for what they beleive, so they didn't want other to be persecuted here, because they knew it was wrong.. but it doen't mean that they had to accept other's faith as common law or moral law..

Those are other Countries that would persecutes them, not the US. thought there maybe a few crazies here that would want too..



America found founded on The freedom to practice THEIR OWN religion not ....no religion...

This is true.

good point...

not surprised the race card is brought up...

..When did the 'me stating my opinion' turn into me "using the bible to control the lives of everybody"...No offense, but i could care less(sometimes ) how you live your life...You seem to prefer the 'Freedom' of a "FREE society"...but just remember that freedom ALWAYS comes with a price.

Btw, Doc...you and I agree on this. I have great respect for those who truly walk the walk. My father is one of those as well, and I have always looked up to him.

As to the other, the bible was re-written by monks on orders of Contantine, the Roman emporer, so I consider much of it slanted and untrue to its original content.

Those traditions have failed. Women no longer stay home..sometimes men no longer work. Sometimes children are abandoned by these "married" people. Yes, marriage should cement a couples desire to have children, but where in the marriage vows, are children even mentioned?? NOWHERE! A Should couples who can not have children not be allowed to marry??

Marriage is about love and commitment.....sometimes children happen and sometimes they don't!

Marriage reduces promiscuity, Halt! I didn't say eliminates it!

So, I feel it is better for people to marry whether gay or straight rather than the rampant promiscuity that prevails in some gay circles.

Even the beloved Christian icon, the Apostle Paul said, "It is better to marry than to burn" Granted, he was probably referring to males and females. But the idea carries over to those who are gay.

That all has to do with lack of morals in society and lack of asswhoppings for the children along with lack of love for the children over all....