Could this be true in AU

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HJFinAZ Sun CIty, Arizona USA

Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:27 PM CST : Could this be true in AU????

From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia

Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under.

It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by
a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by
our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than
$500 million dollars.

The first year results are now in:

Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent,

Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;

Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.

(Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the
criminals did not and criminals still possess their guns!)

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in
armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in
the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their
prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of
the elderly, while the resident is at home.
Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has
decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in
'successfully ridding Australian society of guns.' You won't see this
on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the
State Assembly disseminating this information.

The Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands of
honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws
affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note Americans, before it's too late!

Sparky55 Kabul Afghanistan

Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:33 PM CST : Could this be true in AU????

Hmmmm, could be true but I would like to see something a little more concrete. I have to admit I wouldn't be too surprised if it is true.

HJFinAZ Sun CIty, Arizona USA

Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:36 PM CST : Could this be true in AU????

Sparky55: Hmmmm, could be true but I would like to see something a little more concrete. I have to admit I wouldn't be too surprised if it is true.

I am asking, not stating. I do NOT know as I do not live there. A retired cop buddy sent this to me..

If I remember correctly, there were similar figures in Washington DC..

sassy49senior Itty Bitty, Nebraska USA

Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:33 PM CST : Could this be true in AU????

My best friend lives in Australia. His mother was robbed
twice when she was in her back yard. His sister and
brother-in-law caught some in their back yard. There was
a scuffle, his sister was injured, not badly, and the
scumm got away. Also my friend does not even go out in his
yard to do yard work without locking his doors.

Yet here in my small community I don't like my door unless
I am going to be gone for more than a day. How different
things are in different countries and states.

maybesoon brisbane, Queensland Australia

Tue Jan 13, 2009 2:54 AM CST : Could this be true in AU????

HJFinAZ: I am asking, not stating. I do NOT know as I do not live there. A retired cop buddy sent this to me..

If I remember correctly, there were similar figures in Washington DC..

well its true... crime is on the rise, there are parts of some cities you wuldnt go down at night/day....

rape is a ongoing crime in australia now,

road rage is on the increase/ people get killed over it....

robbery is up s well, easier to steal, then to got to work....

murders are also up there... but we get people killing babies, not alot thank God!!

drugs are everywhere!!! kids have them in schools....

we dont have people killing people in schools as yet....

car jacking is also not common here in oz, in fact never heard of it.....

there is a inceease in gangs in sydney....mostly from people from oversea that come to live in good old oz.. its hard for them....

im not sure whether having guns in oz for every person that lives here is the answer either... its too easy to kill someone...

australia still fairly tame compared to the states... but we are following suit...

i went to the bronx once when visiting some friends there, and i fitted in quite well, but wouldnt want to live like it...

but anytime mate you want some figures let me know..pete

maybesoon brisbane, Queensland Australia

Tue Jan 13, 2009 2:58 AM CST : Could this be true in AU????

....and when i went oversea's Austraslian customs wouldnt let me back in, as they thought i was a illegal traveller coming in a false passport... what a joke, but then again... i seem to fit into all walks of life...

beachgirl7 st.leonards, Victoria Australia

Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:29 AM CST : Could this be true in AU????

maybesoon: ....and when i went oversea's Austraslian customs wouldnt let me back in, as they thought i was a illegal traveller coming in a false passport... what a joke, but then again... i seem to fit into all walks of life...

actually this is factually incorrect.......

beachgirl7 st.leonards, Victoria Australia

Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:32 AM CST : Could this be true in AU????

HJFinAZ: From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia

Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under.

It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by
a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by
our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than
$500 million dollars.

The first year results are now in:

Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent,

Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;

Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.

(Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the
criminals did not and criminals still possess their guns!)

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in
armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in
the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their
prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of
the elderly, while the resident is at home.
Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has
decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in
'successfully ridding Australian society of guns.' You won't see this
on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the
State Assembly disseminating this information.

The Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands of
honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws
affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note Americans, before it's too late!

so what are you pushing here?? that australians take up arms?? what a ridiculous notion..........your facts are incorrect to by the way.................

venere08 Beebylon, South Australia Australia

Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:40 AM CST : Could this be true in AU????

I can't comment on the stats your Aussie friend provided. What I can say is that the personal weaponry that was surrendered would have been arms deemed illegal, such as sub machine guns, and whatever others they may be. My cousin was a gun dealer, and I know his wife and daughter also own guns in their own right. But they do so within Australian law, which requires them to have a gun license which in turn requires them to be a member of an authorised pistol club, with strict criteria such as being trained to shoot and certain number of attendances at the club per annum. May I say that years ago, I did very well at firing a magnum, even achieved several 'bulls eyes'.

Most if not all,club members would do so as a sport or for hunting, such as rabbits, which BTW are a tasty morsel when roasted fresh, with rosemary and garlic, and baby potatoes.

So, yes, as far as I'm aware, ordinary citizens who carry unlicensed or illegal arms, are committing a crime in Australia.

What I can also say is that it does not necessarily follow that this so-called reduction in number of illegal weapons in the community is somehow directly related to the increase of break-ins and assaults on the elderly. I can't imagine it's because hundreds of grannies have suddenly decided to hand in their sub machine guns.

Not unless they are related to the hells angels of-course, and they would NEVER hand them in.

maybesoon brisbane, Queensland Australia

Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:41 AM CST : Could this be true in AU????

beachgirl7: actually this is factually incorrect.......

yeah i forgot, you were there when i came back from the states, and landed in brisbane... didnt see you there writing everything down...

or was it you, that was seeing if my photo was a phony or not on my passport... and im not sure if it was you, who ask where i lived in brisbane, and to spell it out...

so you seem to know, what is factually incorrect, why you inlighten everyone what really happen, in your factually incorrect way that is!!!!

venere08 Beebylon, South Australia Australia

Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:41 AM CST : Could this be true in AU????

I can't comment on the stats your Aussie friend provided. What I can say is that the personal weaponry that was surrendered would have been arms deemed illegal, such as sub machine guns, and whatever others they may be. My cousin was a gun dealer, and I know his wife and daughter also own guns in their own right. But they do so within Australian law, which requires them to have a gun license which in turn requires them to be a member of an authorised pistol club, with strict criteria such as being trained to shoot and certain number of attendances at the club per annum. May I say that years ago, I did very well at firing a magnum, even achieved several 'bulls eyes'.

Most if not all,club members would do so as a sport or for hunting, such as rabbits, which BTW are a tasty morsel when roasted fresh, with rosemary and garlic, and baby potatoes.

So, yes, as far as I'm aware, ordinary citizens who carry unlicensed or illegal arms, are committing a crime in Australia.

What I can also say is that it does not necessarily follow that this so-called reduction in number of illegal weapons in the community is somehow directly related to the increase of break-ins and assaults on the elderly. I can't imagine it's because hundreds of grannies have suddenly decided to hand in their sub machine guns.

Not unless they are related to the hells angels of-course, and they would NEVER hand them in.

maybesoon brisbane, Queensland Australia

Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:51 AM CST : Could this be true in AU????

beachgirl7: so what are you pushing here?? that australians take up arms?? what a ridiculous notion..........your facts are incorrect to by the way.................

i dont believe the guy pushing anything here bud!!! i think hes asking if its true.... and was send to him from a retired police officer, who I would think he knows whats he talking about...

but then again... your pointing out that his "facts are also up the sh*t....

havent heard you put your two cents worth in... which should be all facts by the way!!!!

venere08 Beebylon, South Australia Australia

Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:02 AM CST : Could this be true in AU????

sassy49senior: My best friend lives in Australia. His mother was robbed
twice when she was in her back yard. His sister and
brother-in-law caught some in their back yard. There was
a scuffle, his sister was injured, not badly, and the
scumm got away. Also my friend does not even go out in his
yard to do yard work without locking his doors. Yet here in my small community I don't like my door unless
I am going to be gone for more than a day. How different
things are in different countries and states.

Exactly.

So there is little point, with all due respect, Sassy, in highlighting the plight of your Aussie friend.

kermit2007 melbourne, Victoria Australia

Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:30 AM CST : Could this be true in AU????

we could have our tv show CSI melbourne

HJFinAZ Sun CIty, Arizona USA

Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:35 AM CST : Could this be true in AU????

beachgirl7: so what are you pushing here?? that australians take up arms?? what a ridiculous notion..........your facts are incorrect to by the way.................

I am not pushing anything, I have no reason to.

One of my best friends is a retired cop here in Arizona, he sent me this email, I am simply asking.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people..

buzzy biddeford, Maine USA

Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:37 AM CST : Could this be true in AU????

Why did they destroy the guns? They could have sold them to the waring countries like our's. They would have made a profit.

Conrad73 Lonesome Town Zurich, Zrich Switzerland

Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:09 AM CST : Could this be true in AU????

From My Cold Dead Hand.....Charlton Heston

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0B_UZNtEk4
The Right to Selfdefense is an Individual's Right!
Anyone denying me the means to exercise that Right is as guilty as the Criminal that might take my Life because I lack those Means!

Mercedes1 Sydney, New South Wales Australia

Sat Jan 17, 2009 4:08 AM CST : Could this be true in AU????

Dont think for 1 minute that law abiding citizens who have guns here protecting themselves from harms way is that easy!
Last week 2 gunman went to my sons place of work and fired a bullet into his co-workers neck!
One gunman is dead and now my son doesnt have a business as the premises he was renting for his business has been taken off him because all the publicity ect!
Not only that my family have to watch our backs!
Just cant fathom how you work your guts to make a decent living and then with a blink of an eye it all becomes a nightmare!

twistie08 melbourne, Victoria Australia

Sat Jan 17, 2009 4:17 AM CST : Could this be true in AU????

i live in aussie born and bred, and this is no way true !! it is heaps better,not all gun owners had to give guns up, so get the facts before down grade,and crime is no where those figures, i work very late hours and i can honestly say at 4 am i feel very safe walking the city home.as for the so called police man that sent you this ......no crediblitly at all

Conrad73 Lonesome Town Zurich, Zrich Switzerland

Sat Jan 17, 2009 5:31 AM CST : Could this be true in AU????

twistie08: i live in aussie born and bred, and this is no way true !! it is heaps better,not all gun owners had to give guns up, so get the facts before down grade,and crime is no where those figures, i work very late hours and i can honestly say at 4 am i feel very safe walking the city home.as for the so called police man that sent you this ......no crediblitly at all

Until it happens to you!
Glad you base the Stats on your personal Experience!

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