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CuspofMagic Crystal City, South Australia Australia
Unfortunately not much recent on Google except for that mentioned below
and this Wikepedia link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia#Contention_over_effects_of_the_laws

2. Gun Problems - Australia Compared With Other Nations

In the 1970's and till the mid 1980's the Australian figure for total gun deaths from all causes (suicide, homicide, unintentional) was nearly 700. Despite increasing population and almost certainly due to stricter gun controls this figure had been reduced to less than half that figure by the early 2000's - the actual figure for 2003 being 290. This means that today over 400 fewer Australians each year die from gun wounds than one might expect to be the case if the gun lobby had managed to keep Australians in the dark-ages with regard to gun laws.

1987 saw six gun massacres where 32 innocents were killed by shooters. Although there have been a couple of multiple shootings since 2000 it is probably reasonable to say that the gun massacre phase in Australian history appears to have passed by 1999 - 13 years of tragedy. The US is the only other westernised country to be plagued by repeated gun massacres over several decades. There are no seriously coordinated gun laws in the US in regard to handguns and non-automatic shotguns and rifles. We would argue that this situation arises because US politicians bow to the gun lobby and fail to enact responsible gun laws; several of the present Bush administration being members of the NRA.

US pro-gun activists such as author David Kopel argue that Americans insist on total freedom wih guns and that the Second Amendment to the Constitution places every adult in a position of arming and accepting responsibility - ie, to overthrow the government if it stops acting in the interests of the the citizens. They also argue that there is so much crime that the police cannot be relied upon to quickly help citizens, hence each person must become their own lawman. Readers can see from the figures below what a high price such policies create within American society.

Gun Related Murders per 100,000 of population in 2002 (From Sunday Times)

USA 4.08

Canada 0.54

England and Wales 0.12

Scotland 0.12

Japan 0.04




rick4911 Portage, Indiana USA
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He has interviewed other police officers on his radio show. He is internationally famous. Sincerely, Rick.



rocketqueen geelong, Victoria Australia
sexielady: Yes that is the saddest part. Asking a question is not the easy way out. It is simply the best form of communication there is! I was taught there are no stupid questions. Ask and you will receive the answer. Too bad others weren't taught that as well. I was interested in your question as well and I was hoping someone would have had the proper response, and then the responses got hateful and nasty. I just couldn't resist my first post.



THEN WHY STATE AT THE END OF THE 'FACTS' america you have been warned?? that puts fear into peoples minds!!



rocketqueen geelong, Victoria Australia
CuspofMagic: Unfortunately not much recent on Google except for that mentioned below
and this Wikepedia link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia#Contention_over_effects_of_the_laws

2. Gun Problems - Australia Compared With Other Nations

In the 1970's and till the mid 1980's the Australian figure for total gun deaths from all causes (suicide, homicide, unintentional) was nearly 700. Despite increasing population and almost certainly due to stricter gun controls this figure had been reduced to less than half that figure by the early 2000's - the actual figure for 2003 being 290. This means that today over 400 fewer Australians each year die from gun wounds than one might expect to be the case if the gun lobby had managed to keep Australians in the dark-ages with regard to gun laws.

1987 saw six gun massacres where 32 innocents were killed by shooters. Although there have been a couple of multiple shootings since 2000 it is probably reasonable to say that the gun massacre phase in Australian history appears to have passed by 1999 - 13 years of tragedy. The US is the only other westernised country to be plagued by repeated gun massacres over several decades. There are no seriously coordinated gun laws in the US in regard to handguns and non-automatic shotguns and rifles. We would argue that this situation arises because US politicians bow to the gun lobby and fail to enact responsible gun laws; several of the present Bush administration being members of the NRA.

US pro-gun activists such as author David Kopel argue that Americans insist on total freedom wih guns and that the Second Amendment to the Constitution places every adult in a position of arming and accepting responsibility - ie, to overthrow the government if it stops acting in the interests of the the citizens. They also argue that there is so much crime that the police cannot be relied upon to quickly help citizens, hence each person must become their own lawman. Readers can see from the figures below what a high price such policies create within American society.

Gun Related Murders per 100,000 of population in 2002 (From Sunday Times)

USA 4.08

Canada 0.54

England and Wales 0.12

Scotland 0.12

Japan 0.04





thank you cusp ................................EVERYBODY GET THE FACTS THEN MAKE STATEMENTS, not opinionated bullshit that spreads fear, and hatred
CuspofMagic Crystal City, South Australia Australia
rocketqueen: thank you cusp ................................EVERYBODY GET THE FACTS THEN MAKE STATEMENTS, not opinionated bullshit that spreads fear, and hatred


th thing about statistics though- they tend to be rather aged at the time of release- so really they are an indication either way of any arguement only --- the fact of the matter is that guns in the hands of those irresponsible is only part of the solution - other issues , mental health ,education , crime prevention/deterrent are a few related that must be addressed together in making wherever a safer environment to live



rocketqueen geelong, Victoria Australia
HJFinAZ: I agree, I would also.

"To me", I simply choose to take the easy way out and ask the question on here. SOme appear to be very touchy on the subject, makes me wonder what has happened in their lives to create so much fear..



again another personal attack on some of the posters on here...........you are only making your self look silly by continuing along this path of stating everyone else has some kind of deficiency in their personalities to disagree with you...........at no time have i ever attacked you personally, i have not said too you that u have an inability to read, or that you have had something happen in your life to make you believe what you believe.....the only thing i have said to you is that you are wrong, and then given you the facts..........your personal insults make you look like you are running out of rational argument............and i'm sure if you stay informed you could put up a decent argument as too why you feel gun control is a bad thing..........your silence on that is deafening!!
HJFinAZ Sun CIty, Arizona USA
"Who", is the one with fear and hatred??comfort



hawk69 somewhere, New Jersey USA
I remember watching the news when Australia had the "gun turn in." Even people with collectors guns that didn't fire had to turn them in. I don't like statistics cause they can be skewed to make a point, but anyway as long as there is an inkling of crime, there will be guns legal or not. I would not turn a gun over if the US implements that policy. Come and catch me if you can. hole
sexielady somewhere in FL, Florida USA
hawk69: I remember watching the news when Australia had the "gun turn in." Even people with collectors guns that didn't fire had to turn them in. I don't like statistics cause they can be skewed to make a point, but anyway as long as there is an inkling of crime, there will be guns legal or not. I would not turn a gun over if the US implements that policy. Come and catch me if you can.


Ah someone who can read and comprehend! wave I'm with you hawk! catch me if you can if the US implements that policy! handshake



rocketqueen geelong, Victoria Australia
HJFinAZ: "Who", is the one with fear and hatred??



have i said you have fear and hatred?? like you have to me?? as i said before your personal insults just make you look like you do not have a rational argument for pro gun lobby..............another personal insult, i will not buy into............so what is your argument for not having gun control??? please state why..............and the facts why.



rocketqueen geelong, Victoria Australia
hawk69: I remember watching the news when Australia had the "gun turn in." Even people with collectors guns that didn't fire had to turn them in. I don't like statistics cause they can be skewed to make a point, but anyway as long as there is an inkling of crime, there will be guns legal or not. I would not turn a gun over if the US implements that policy. Come and catch me if you can.



i do not have a problem with you owning a gun, i have one myself, but i DO have a problem when someone ends so called facts,(which where terribly wrong) with a frightening statement like america you have been warned!! i mean like, thats like a scare campaign..............by the way most of the TRUE facts i have qouted, are from government and non-government sources, and both collate with each other.......here in australia, we have an office called the ombudsman who is apolitical



rocketqueen geelong, Victoria Australia
HJFinAZ: "Who", is the one with fear and hatred??



dont misquote me
i said to you it that those sort of comments can spread fear and hatred........i didnt say you had fear and hatred, but then again maybe you do, for i do not know you



rocketqueen geelong, Victoria Australia
rocketqueen: dont misquote me
i said to you it that those sort of comments can spread fear and hatred........i didnt say you had fear and hatred, but then again maybe you do, for i do not know you






the silence is deafening....................
rocketqueen: thats fine if your country has the right to bare arms, and if thats what you wanna do good on you, just dont push it on us with misqouted 'facts'..........as i said before he asked the question then stated so called facts, instead of saying well, can anyone help me out on this......it would've taken him less than 5 mins for him too have looked it up...............ignorance is as ignorance does..and as i've said before i AM a gun owner,


erm, I don't think HJ was trying to state facts. I think he was trying to present what he had been told and was asking for CLARIFICATION, of the article as well as input. JMOhandshake handshake



rocketqueen geelong, Victoria Australia
CjTenorSax: erm, I don't think HJ was trying to state facts. I think he was trying to present what he had been told and was asking for CLARIFICATION, of the article as well as input. JMO






hi cj, i did not have a problem with hj asking the question, but i do have a problem with him ending 'so-called' question and 'so called' facts with alarmist statements of take heed america before its too late!! that is not a question, that is a statement!!! which unfortunately could breed paranoia, fear and hatred in some people..................and i do have a problem with someone taking my home countries 'supposed statistics' to push an agenda......very dangerous indeed....
rocketqueen: hi cj, i did not have a problem with hj asking the question, but i do have a problem with him ending 'so-called' question and 'so called' facts with alarmist statements of take heed america before its too late!! that is not a question, that is a statement!!! which unfortunately could breed paranoia, fear and hatred in some people..................and i do have a problem with someone taking my home countries 'supposed statistics' to push an agenda......very dangerous indeed....


Oh, Ok Gotcha.



rocketqueen geelong, Victoria Australia
CjTenorSax: Oh, Ok Gotcha.




thank you gurl....much love from across the universe!!teddybear
gordy22222 whitehorse, Yukon Territory Canada
take care people this might be the start of somthing bad for all good people ... read 1984 by george orwell or see the old movie same nameprofessor
littlewolf nunya, Oklahoma USA
HJFinAZ: From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia

Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under.

It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by
a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by
our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than
$500 million dollars.

The first year results are now in:

Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent,

Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;

Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.

(Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the
criminals did not and criminals still possess their guns!)

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in
armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in
the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their
prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of
the elderly, while the resident is at home.
Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has
decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in
'successfully ridding Australian society of guns.' You won't see this
on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the
State Assembly disseminating this information.

The Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands of
honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws
affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note Americans, before it's too late!
HJF u have got to stop being so curious and causing all this troublerolling on the floor laughing But ur points well taken,we will be facing the same thing here.And no one is getting my gun,If someone breaks in on me they will think twice when facing a 38.heart wings peace



rocketqueen geelong, Victoria Australia
gordy22222: take care people this might be the start of somthing bad for all good people ... read 1984 by george orwell or see the old movie same name



i have read the book and seen the movie




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